LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Originally posted by The Scenario
Already outlined above. Not typing it again.

Exactly, the game was too realisticly portrayed. He wanted to something unrealistic, which he couldn't do with Twilight Princess.

Ganondorf wanted what Zant wanted, so Ganndorf got double. This illustrates that Ganondorf got smarter after the Mirror of Twlight incident.

That's not even remotely close to what I said. Ganondorf didn't even try to kill the rest because they weren't a threat to him. He killed the guy that stabbed him and then stopped to laugh about it. I've said repeatedly that this was a flashback and doesn't represent the current Ganondorf. It is the same as saying Kain is slow because he couldn't stop assassins from killing him.

You can't see something coming if you don't know it exists. It doesn't show that he's incompetent at all, just unimformed. He had no way of knowing that Link's sword would disable his Triforce of Power. I suppose Kain losing to the Nexus Stone shows he's incompetent by your logic.

I was pointing out that you were doing the same thing. You were using Ganondorf before he got the Triforce of Power, so I was using Kain before he got the Heart of Darkness. It's the same thing and you have a double standard.

Then the Hulk was breaking the laws of physics when he did that, unless it was explained how. It's that simple.

They don't have to, but when they do it all the more impressive.

You think tp was realistic? The creator thinks with unrealistic games such as these it's better to choose these types of graphics.

Dorf wasn't that smart because like you said Zant screwed him over in the end. Laughs.

They weren't a threat to him? They defeated him and he didn't want to go to the twilight world so you agree he was overconfident and it got him beat. Not being smart enough to realize what it is that you are up against makes you stupido.

Kain was a human when assassins killed him.

Kain defeated the sarafan Lord but dorf getting caught off guard by the same plot device weapon each and every time you'd think he'd learn something by now. Kain learned and defeated him whereas Dorf hasn't.

Dorf only accessed the power when he needed it and was already powerful before so. Kain is powerful without the soulreaver and since he got his powers has been a force.

Just like Link beating a sumo is impossible irl if you put on iron boots.

They didn't.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
In response to this; I provide the aftermath of Ragnarok, and BT and I's mutual ban.

I [b]am the Slayer of Burning Thought. I earned this title. 😊

Also, the only one who lives in a fantasy land here, other than BT, but that's granted, is you. Your ridiculous double standards are so blatant and poorly thought out you can barely cobble together a coherent sentence on why they're valid, and when you do, it doesn't make sense.

So, Superman needs to anchor himself, but uses a power to do so instead of boots...He still needs to anchor himself, just like Link. Without it, he'd need the iron boots, and guess what, he'd still be exactly as strong as he is now. [/B]

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
"They're better because I say so! They have no feats... No showings of power.. But they LOOK kool. They HAVE to be better."

Lol?

Originally posted by The Scenario
It doesn't matter if it's powers or items when the end result is the same. Let's say I can breathe fire. This is a power. If I shoot you with fire you will burn and die. Now let's say I have a flamethrower. This is an item. If I shoot you with fire you will burn and die. It doesn't matter which one I used, as you still end up on fire.

This is a good point that really needs to be brought to light. Some people's general mindset lets them think that abilities, magic, etc. are always > science, physics, tools and weapons. I think that this is a ignorant way of thinking.
You have all heard that people fear what they don't understand. Well, they are also amazed by what they don't understand, like magic. They let the flashiness and wonder of it fool them into thinking that it is an unreachable effect, just because they don't understand how it works. I'm sure ancient man would probably think that a modern day grenade was some kind of destructive magic, but really, they would only call it magic and fear it because they don't understand how it works.

To use Scenario's example, just because it seems like it would be easier for him to breathe fire than it would be to shoot a flamethrower doesn't make it so.
Flamethrowers have ammo limits; fire breath would cause fatigue.
Flamethrowers must be toted around; fire breath requires heightened concentration.
Flamethrowers fire at the push of a button; fire breath comes at a full breath.

You see where this is going. Just because Link doesn't have "super anchoring" doesn't mean he cant get the job done, or just as good with his Iron Boots.

Scenario, that was a long-ass post, bro.

Now that you know some of the forum's history, this will make more sense to you, Quanchi: It's the beginning of this very thread.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?

Originally posted by Phanteros
You have no idea what kind of shitstorm you unleashed...

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
SHUT UP AND AGREE BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

Originally posted by quanchi112
Do Zelda fans and Kain fans clash on here?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Not so much clash as battle to the death. It actually got to a point where Zelda characters were brought up in threads they weren't even in.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
I'd go as far as to say it happens in about 50% of the threads.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I remember burning thought for being a huge Kain supporter from when they let video game characters into the vs. section of the comic book part of this board.

As long as it's civil let's have some fun. Just him, huh?

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Good luck with that.

The thread title should have "Abandon all hope ye who enter here" on it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What double standards do I have? None. You can't use an item based feat and compare it to someone who does it on their own as comparable feats.

Did you play the games?

Yesz. Though I only finished BO2, I'm very much aware of the course of the games. Moreso than BT's familiar with Zelda, anyway. 😉

I watched my bro beat Legacy of Kain. 😐👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
The end result is the same but one is a power and one is a weapon you need but if you can't see the difference I can't help you anymore.

You're still on fire, and I'm the one that made you so. It does not matter how.

The end is the same but Superman doesn't need any outside source to do so unlike Link who needs the weight the boots provide. See the difference?

If I couldn't breathe fire (totally can, by the way), I would need a flamethrower to set you on fire. If Superman couldn't anchor himself, he would need the Iron Boots to stop somrthing.

The difference is Link needs to add weight to his puny frame and without it he can't stop any of them. With it he can defeat them just like Bo further showing you just need to add weight to best them in either case.

I think you've got it. Link has the strength on his own, but needs the weight to anchor him. Bo still never stopped a Goron, just wrestled.

I don't see the point of me hunting down youtube videos of this and like I said I don't have sound and can't hear anything.

I turned off my sound yesterday to see the difference, and still found those videos. My sound is still off.

Link can barely move with the boots on because they add so much weight and show you he isn't strong at all and can barely move further backing up my position here.

YouTube video

Again not my fault you haven't played the games and nothing I said was an exaggeration I just feel like it's silly to claim something when not knowing both sides to actually make the claim because you really just don't know.

Evidence or get out. I posted videos in an effeort to get you to do the same. If you don't want to work for the win, you don't deserve it.

Realistically there isn't enough room for all these items but it's clear when you wield it you are barely strong enough to hold it up with both hands.

Proven false by video evidence.

You not knowing Raziel rips Kain's heart out proves you don't know enough about the other side to say convincingly who wins anything. Link isn't portrayed as strong nor does he have any strength feats anywhere near ripping someone's heart out.

Show me these portrayals, or they do not exist.

He can get out of this as he can change into mist or bats you acting like he can't is ignoring his abilities.

It doesn't matter whether or not he can change, as he dies within seconds of Midna teleporting him to the bottom of a lake.

In the game you cannot kill a goron just like you can't kill a zora is you clash at them just like you can't kill bad monkeys either this doesn't mean they are more formidable than Dorf does it? Wow.

What bad monkeys? I only remember one, and he ran away.

He defeated him in battle with a weapon and he needed his boots to stop him so really he's never ever proven he's stronger and if he was he'd rip into the mountain himself.

Darbus got there first while Link was doing a sidequest. And Link used his arms to pull his feet out from under him, proving comparable strength.

1.Link can't do so yet he can hurt Gorons.
2.This is some of the worst logic I have ever seen, ever. Gorons can be tossed aside by anyone with weight comparable to iron boots here so really regular humans wit these boots can get the better of them.
3.Maybe later.

1. Link has never hurt a Goron. If you think otherwise, post a video.
2. That doesn't hurt them, nor does it stop them from circling around to hit them in the back. Also, you have once again ignored all facts and stated your opinion. Regular humans can't stop them, for one, and how many sets of Iron Boots does LoK have? Can you prove that demons even have enough weight to do this?
3. You had better do it soon.

Lok also has more than these enemies but in general they are much more formidable than loz enemies, trust me.

I no longer trust you.

Yes, and those pieces that formed a powerful weapon proves what?

That Ganondrf crushed a powerful weapon one handed.

Also remember I was correct about Dorf not being affected by the sages yet you were wrong to me so please think next time.

You never said he wasn't affected. Your entire argument was based on your flawed reasoning that Ganondorf was weak to being stabbed. And the evidence finally solved the problem anyway, thus proving the importance of evidence.

Concession accepted.

You and I seem to have very different ideas about what that word means.

You think tp was realistic? The creator thinks with unrealistic games such as these it's better to choose these types of graphics.

He used realistic graphics for what he thought was a realistic game.

Dorf wasn't that smart because like you said Zant screwed him over in the end. Laughs.

We don't know what Zant did. But, I can not see how you would conclude that Zant doing something makes Ganondorf dumb. Seriously, how?

They weren't a threat to him? They defeated him and he didn't want to go to the twilight world so you agree he was overconfident and it got him beat. Not being smart enough to realize what it is that you are up against makes you stupido.

Ignorant, not stupid. He didn't know that the Mirror of Twilight was there, and he had no way to find out. They were not a threat to him because they could not harm him. Why you think this matters when he learned from it I have no idea.

Kain was a human when assassins killed him.

Ganondorf didn't have the Triforce of Power when Sages killed him. See the double standard there?

Kain defeated the sarafan Lord but dorf getting caught off guard by the same plot device weapon each and every time you'd think he'd learn something by now. Kain learned and defeated him whereas Dorf hasn't.

Now that I've thought about it, that was the first time that that Ganondorf had seen the Master Sword. Play Wind Waker. Ganondorf removed the Master Sword's power there.

Dorf only accessed the power when he needed it and was already powerful before so. Kain is powerful without the soulreaver and since he got his powers has been a force.

You basically said the same thing for both of them. I don't know what you're getting at.

Just like Link beating a sumo is impossible irl if you put on iron boots.

Not if you're superhylian.

They didn't.

Proof?

Scenario, that was a long-ass post, bro.

Thanks, 5L. I try to get a lot of information and evidence in a post at once. Too bad it always gets ignored.

Np, man.

Seems to me like you've got a handle on the proof finding for feats and flawless direct responses, Shin has the physics and calcs for feats and ironically is a jack-of-all-trades, and I've got the lore and creative problem solving down next to perfect.

I used to wall of text, almost as well as Scenario. (D00d's good.)

But yeah, I'm happily retired.. Ish.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I used to wall of text, almost as well as Scenario. (D00d's good.)

But yeah, I'm happily retired.. Ish.

Heh, I quit doing that before I got to KMC.

Did you know that Omnislash (original) is inferior to the Triforce Slash in Brawl in every way, including speed and number of hits? Noob battles, man those were fun.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Well then, toonforce has to only work on cartoons then. Otherwise, it is applicable to LoK. So, let's define a cartoon character. How about, a character on a cartoon? Legend of Zelda is not a cartoon. No toonforce.

However, you are correct (GASP!) in saying that it doesn't make sense. Gorons are proven lava walkers, Dangoro being harmed makes absolutely no sense. And since you've pointed out before that new events do not override past ones, Dangoro's lava damage, if you can call it that, is irrelevant.

Ah, yes, and despite a proven impossibility for Dangoro to weigh the 400 pounds he would need to be for those boots to be iron, they are iron, right? You can cling to a title that was placed there only in the english version all you want. We are correct, these boots are far heavier than iron. You couldn't topple a sand castle with a stick of dynamite.

K. Link has better strength feats anyway.

Featless spells are featless. And until you show these spells working on something with durability greater than that of, oh, I dunno, paper, I will be correct by the rules of basic logic. Something cannot do X until being shown it can do so.

Kain falls under the evil label anyway, rendering Link immune to most of these stupid spells anyway. The fact that you don't like this doesn't make it any less true, so try actually disproving it instead of ignoring it. It's probably like having herpes, ignoring it does not make it go away.

He's taken more damage than anything in LoK will ever produce with their featless bullshit, and then continued to fight, resulting in more damage. Then he got up again to fight, and took more damage before finally dropping, not even for good by the way. He was still alive. Even one beating from Link with the Master Sword is enough durability to sponge anything Kain, Raziel, or whatever else has.

No, toonforce is the term provided for when even a non cartoon character does something a cartoon would typically do. Like Gorons bouncing along lava and someone as small as link lifting and moving rocks without hardly moving his arms. And this has been said previously, several LoZ games do look cartoonish.

Its not irrelevant because he bounces along the lava in pain. Its all scripted canon just like anything else (more so than some things youve brought up in the past).

I never cling to a title, the fact the Iron boots are named thus only helps my case. The fact Bo actually says their iron and the description says so as well proves my case. Youve not proven a 400 pound Dangoro is impossible, and the actual claim is ridiculous because so is a 400 pound lump skimming off lava, the same scene shows it happening.

Erm no, a feat is a useful gauge of base power, e.g. durability/damage. I am not talking about durability or damage, I am talking about a specific effect that the spell gives, in this case Link, Ganon etc have zero defence against these spells. Durability is irrelevant to spells that dont do actual damage, the only spells that do actual damage that Kain may use are things like energy bolt and lightning.

Oh please lol, Link with the MS? he makes a few little cuts in canon, thats nothing compared to the entire weight of the EG burying both him and the entirety of hyrule for lulz. The EG burrows in the "deep places of the world", the deeper places in a planet are far heavier and more dense, as is the mantle that the EG constantly excists beneath as a habitat than anything in LoZ, even screampastes fanon maths on certain blocks. Ganons hardly taken anything, let alone having his soul ripped out and then having what remains of his corpse buried beneath mountains.

Originally posted by The Scenario
[B]

Quit acting like the LoK army is impressive when you have nothing to back it up. Further, the only armies I listed that were less than impressive were the Zoras and Hylians. Right now, it looks like the Gorons are going to be soloing the army battle, with Shadow Beasts and such cleaning up whatever the Gorons deem too pathetic to fight.

Slow moving Gorons that will be crushed by a few vampires? slow moving Gorons that along with most of hyrule will be buried by the EG? Slow moving....well you get the idea Gorons that will have their souls ripped out, warped by Circle magic etc. By the looks of things, the Gorons do not come as an "army", more so their population based on the videos you have provided and those concerning the iron boots seems fairly small, like a scattered tribe.

Also whats funny is that by the looks of things Kain is the only one with real tactics and veterancy in leading armies in battle, having been at the front of at least one or two army clashes and been the general in at least one. Chances are (assuming the EG allows the fight to commence normally) the daft, unorganised and by the looks of some of these creatures in LoZ not necesserily intelligent LoZ force will run in scattered groups against a well trained and organised, and in most cases disciplined (Sarafan, vampire hunteres, kains vampires) horde of stronger, faster and more magically powerful forces.

I'll dominate your arguments again in a bit BT, going out to eat and food > you.

Originally posted by Burning thought
No, toonforce is the term provided for when even a non cartoon character does something a cartoon would typically do. Like Gorons bouncing along lava and someone as small as link lifting and moving rocks without hardly moving his arms. And this has been said previously, several LoZ games do look cartoonish.

Keep using the same shit you've been clinging to forever, it makes me pointing out the stupid in it really easy.

Goron bouncing is irrelevant as Gorons are proven lava walkers. Dangoro's fight makes absolutely no sense because new events do not override past ones. Remember how I pointed out how incredibly inconsistent you are with your "logic?"

Why does Link's size have anything to do with lifting and moving rocks? Kain is not huge, yet you seem to think he is stronger than Link.

This has been said previously, the only LoZ games that look cartoonish are the cel shaded ones. But wait, if a character doesn't have to be a toon to use toonforce, why do graphics even matter? Hey, this must be one of those inconsistencies I was talking about.

So let's review. Now anything can use toonforce, even things that are not toons. So, Kain isn't immune to it. Neat. His few feats are toonforce. Mist form resisting a slight gust of wind? Toonforce. TK? Toonforce. Jumping? Toonforce. Picking up someone by the throat? TOONFORCE! Hey, wait, do graphics matter or not?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Its not irrelevant because he bounces along the lava in pain. Its all scripted canon just like anything else (more so than some things youve brought up in the past).

No, it isn't, because new events do not override events of the past. And in Majora's Mask, Gorons were proven lava walkers. And in OoT they can even make clothes to let humans do it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I never cling to a title, the fact the Iron boots are named thus only helps my case. The fact Bo actually says their iron and the description says so as well [b]proves my case. Youve not proven a 400 pound Dangoro is impossible, and the actual claim is ridiculous because so is a 400 pound lump skimming off lava, the same scene shows it happening. [/B]

Ah, but you are. The word "iron" only appears in the English version of the game. It's merely part of the translation and their real name is the Heavy Boots.

"BO SEZ R IRON!"

Bo is fallible. 🙂 After all, simply using things does not mean you know about it. 'cause Ganondorf's knowledge about the Triforce is fallible, remember?

So how do we know when something isn't fallible? Does it have to be a direct statement the developers? Well, they did write the dialog for the entire game, but that has already been ruled out. So it seems we can't even trust the developers. So who exactly do we trust? How about some illogical brit who's never played a Zelda game in his entire life?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Erm no, a feat is a useful gauge of base power, e.g. durability/damage. I am not talking about durability or damage, I am talking about a specific effect that the spell gives, in this case Link, Ganon etc have [b]zero defence against these spells. Durability is irrelevant to spells that dont do actual damage, the only spells that do actual damage that Kain may use are things like energy bolt and lightning. [/B]

Ganon has no defense against it, but that's irrelevant since Link does and he'll just kill Kain and remove the effect.

Or, since Ganon teleports faster than Kain does, Ganon easily kills Kain before he casts the spell.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Oh please lol, Link with the MS? he makes a few little cuts in canon, thats nothing compared to the entire weight of the EG burying both him and the entirety of hyrule for lulz. The EG burrows in the "deep places of the world", the deeper places in a planet are far heavier and more dense, as is the mantle that the EG constantly excists beneath as a habitat than anything in LoZ, even [b]screampastes fanon maths on certain blocks. Ganons hardly taken anything, let alone having his soul ripped out and then having what remains of his corpse buried beneath mountains.[/B]

Actually in canon you have to beat on Ganon, allow him to bring down his castle, then let him still be alive after that and beat on him again before Zelda has to hold him down so you can beat on his face and turn his brain into something like a roasted marshmallow. Oh yeah, he still isn't dead after that, either. As far as we know he's just unconscious.

So let's see, what would constitute a beating? Just a cut? Nah. Ganon wouldn't be brought to his knees with a little cut. The weight of a castle falling on him hardly did anything at all.

Hell, being stabbed by Link through the face is a better durability feat than anything Kain has.

The rest of that paragraph is just a little fanboy rant about a supposedly continent sized entity.

Keep ranting. I can do this forever.

Ganon has no defense against it, but that's irrelevant since Link does and he'll just kill Kain and remove the effect.

Allow me to jump in here for a moment, Moo. Now, everybody remembers the Fused Shadows, right? Concentrated Twili Magic in physical form, really powerful artifact, killed Zant, everybody knows what I'm talking about?

Well I seem to remember that that the first three bosses of Twilight Princess were just normal creatures that got corrupted by the Fused Shadows. Darbus, for instance, got his mind messed up bad, just from touching the things. I also seem to remember Ganondorf not only touching the Fused Shadows, artifacts of incredible corrupting power, but just crushing them in his hand like nothing.

Blizzeta merely stared into a mirror shard and went psycho. Twilight stuff is powerful.

Didn't Ganon have some power in the Twilight area, could be a resistance to Twilight like how Midna isn't a mindless creature from the same 'helmet'.

That's a hell of a good point, and Fused Shadows make castles go boom. 🙂

Scenario, you do incredible amounts of work. 👆

Originally posted by BloodRain
Didn't Ganon have some power in the Twilight area, could be a resistance to Twilight like how Midna isn't a mindless creature from the same 'helmet'.

According to BT, just using a power doesn't mean you have a resistance to it.

Edit: Zant sure didn't.

That's a hell of a good point, and Fused Shadows make castles go boom.

Scenario, you do incredible amounts of work. 👆

👆

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Keep using the same shit you've been clinging to forever, it makes me pointing out the stupid in it really easy.

Goron bouncing is irrelevant as Gorons are proven lava walkers. Dangoro's fight makes absolutely no sense because new events do not override past ones. Remember how I pointed out how incredibly inconsistent you are with your "logic?"

Why does Link's size have anything to do with lifting and moving rocks? Kain is not huge, yet you seem to think he is stronger than Link.

This has been said previously, the only LoZ games that look cartoonish are the cel shaded ones. But wait, if a character doesn't have to be a toon to use toonforce, why do graphics even matter? Hey, this must be one of those inconsistencies I was talking about.

So let's review. Now anything can use toonforce, even things that are not toons. So, Kain isn't immune to it. Neat. His few feats are toonforce. Mist form resisting a slight gust of wind? Toonforce. TK? Toonforce. Jumping? Toonforce. Picking up someone by the throat? TOONFORCE! Hey, wait, do graphics matter or not?

No, it isn't, because new events do not override events of the past. And in Majora's Mask, Gorons were proven lava walkers. And in OoT they can even make clothes to let humans do it.

Ah, but you are. The word "iron" only appears in the English version of the game. It's merely part of the translation and their real name is the Heavy Boots.

"BO SEZ R IRON!"

Bo is fallible. 🙂 After all, simply using things does not mean you know about it. 'cause Ganondorf's knowledge about the Triforce is fallible, remember?

So how do we know when something isn't fallible? Does it have to be a direct statement the developers? Well, they did write the dialog for the entire game, but that has already been ruled out. So it seems we can't even trust the developers. So who exactly do we trust? How about some illogical brit who's never played a Zelda game in his entire life?

Ganon has no defense against it, but that's irrelevant since Link does and he'll just kill Kain and remove the effect.

Or, since Ganon teleports faster than Kain does, Ganon easily kills Kain before he casts the spell.

Actually in canon you have to beat on Ganon, allow him to bring down his castle, then let him still be alive after that and beat on him again before Zelda has to hold him down so you can beat on his face and turn his brain into something like a roasted marshmallow. Oh yeah, he still isn't dead after that, either. As far as we know he's just unconscious.

So let's see, what would constitute a beating? Just a cut? Nah. Ganon wouldn't be brought to his knees with a little cut. The weight of a castle falling on him hardly did anything at all.

Hell, being stabbed by Link through the face is a better durability feat than anything Kain has.

The rest of that paragraph is just a little fanboy rant about a supposedly continent sized entity.

Keep ranting. I can do this forever.

Theres no stupid at all because I am simply using the actual canon, unlike the daft funny little fanon "you cling to" yourself. Unless ofc you think the real game is stupid.

Its not irrelevant, its happened canonically so trying to claim that Gorons are immune to lava based on this is BS. If the game itself is inconsistent (likely) then thats not my concern, its still canon.

Its important because Links feats would be impossible for someone of his size and weight. He would be crushed and buried under the weight even if he could lift it. Strength does not= durability+weight.

There are not inconsistencies, what are you talking of?

Anything can "use" toonforce, any game. But you would have to do something cartoonlike like bouncing off lava, or having tiny little characters lifting things that would crush their bones. Your lack of understanding and overall ignorence shows through with your little rant on how apprently everything is toonforce, you seem to have little clue of what the term is used for.

New events technically can if their new in an entirely different game. just because Gorons are immune in other games does not make it true in this one, that does not mean we can just ignore what Tp shows us.

Can you prove this exactly? not sure I can read Japanese and I doubt you can. Not that this changes anything, the actual canon for the western version is canon.

The Triforce is more complicated and its powers are not obvious from simply looking at it unlike Iron which can be deduced based on colour, weight etc. Bo in this case is not falliable.

This last bit is not an argument, its just a daft lift of things not even stated or argued by me. If you want to ignore developers then do so, its only what youve been doing since youve been taking your own fan made BS math over the games actual canon.

Ganon does not teleport faster than Kain and Ganon would be a helpless puppet. being canonically more powerful than Link, he would rip link apart under Kains control. Not that link would be alive as remember, he cant react to the teleporter whos broken his neck beforehand?

As I said, a few slashes/cuts. Its not impressive to say the least. And Ganon is a mindless beast wielding swords alone iirc, if Ganondorf wants to take that form then thats fine by me but its featless other than some endurance.

😆 entire castle falling on him, do you even look at your own game or do you invent your own fanon concerning not only the feats but also the storyline as well? a few blocks, most of which may have missed him completly as he was at the top of the castle. You must really hate LoZ to want to change all the canon to suit you.

Originally posted by The Scenario
According to BT, just using a power doesn't mean you have a resistance to it.

No, you need an actual feat of resistance against a particulour power. Just using it does not make you immune to it. I can fire a gun, I am not bulletproof however last time I recall.

Originally posted by The Scenario
According to BT, just using a power doesn't mean you have a resistance to it.

Edit: Zant sure didn't.

Dangoro bouncing off the lava did confuse me a bit :/ BT may be right as a 60 ton rocky creature would sink well... like a stone.