Exactly, you can either argue that LoZ is toonforce, therefore whiping out all the feats as physical truth OR take it as truth and see how it makes sense Dangoro not being that heavy, same with the iron boots.
Thus eliminating the large amount of assumptions required based around Iron being heavier than iron.
Originally posted by BloodRainConsider that Gorons are very likeable characters, and how well the game would be recieved if they had Link /drown/ a good guy in lava. They had to have him come back up, simple as that. How he did so is just an inconsistency.
In this case he does though. The same how Midna isn't corrupted.Dangoro bouncing off the lava did confuse me a bit :/ BT may be right as a 60 ton rocky creature would sink well... like a stone.
Edit: Not that Gorons need to breathe, actually. It'd probably result in Dangoro starving to death.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtYes, cling to an inconsistency which will yield impossible results. Dangoro's heavy wenough to shift the balance of that massive platform, and snap the chains supporting it.
Bloodrain, how light would something have to be to skim across the surface of lava? or bounce across it? assuming it did not burn up ofc.
Bouncing back onto the platform doesn't matter.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You haven't played OoT? How about TP, which we're discussing in this very thread? It's literally impossible to beat the game without doing so. 😐 It's actually called "dead man's volley", incase you're confused by me calling it tennis.In TP Ganondorf does this while he's possessing Zelda.
That shit ain't lightning.
YouTube video
0:33
There ya go.
Originally posted by Sin_VolvagiaThanks for proving he can shoot lightning. Neat. Now note the electricity Link reflects in OoT/TP?
That shit ain't lightning.YouTube video
0:33There ya go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK5tjyp8nEc
Spoiler:
1:40, it even shows lightning bolts when Ganon charges it. When it hits Link, you hear electricity crackling.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Theres no stupid at all because I am simply using the actual canon, unlike the daft funny little fanon "you cling to" yourself. Unless ofc you think the real game is stupid.
What are you even talking about?
Its not irrelevant, its happened canonically so trying to claim that Gorons are immune to lava based on this is BS. If the game itself is inconsistent (likely) then thats not my concern, its still canon.
A Goron got, in order: Fell asleep in magma, which cooled around him, launched out of a volcano with enough force to create air friction and catch fire, dumped into several hundred meters of ice, and then bombed out of it via an underwater explosive. All of that in Twilight Princess.
Its important because Links feats would be impossible for someone of his size and weight. He would be crushed and buried under the weight even if he could lift it. Strength does not= durability+weight.
Kain is roughly the same size and weight as Link. Link shows both strength and durability.
There are not inconsistencies, what are you talking of?
Your logical inconsistencies, obviously. If anything can use toonforce, graphics shouldn't matter, yet you seem to think they do.
Anything can "use" toonforce, any game. But you would have to do something cartoonlike like bouncing off lava, or having tiny little characters lifting things that would crush their bones. Your lack of understanding and overall ignorence shows through with your little rant on how apprently everything is toonforce, you seem to have little clue of what the term is used for.
Gorons are immune to magma. Kain is also too small to lift things that would crush him. I think I've also seen him juggle enemies in mid air at one point, which breaks several laws toonforce style.
New events technically can if their new in an entirely different game. just because Gorons are immune in other games does not make it true in this one, that does not mean we can just ignore what Tp shows us.
They are also immune in TP.
Can you prove this exactly? not sure I can read Japanese and I doubt you can. Not that this changes anything, the actual canon for the western version is canon.
Official name is "habyibutso", which means heavy boots. Say it out loud.
The Triforce is more complicated and its powers are not obvious from simply looking at it unlike Iron which can be deduced based on colour, weight etc. Bo in this case is not falliable.
You don't even know what iron is, do you? It could have any level of impurities that could add or subtract from its weight, and change its color in some cases. We've been using pure iron for convenience, not because we know its composition.
Bo is human, of course he's fallible, especially since the evidence has repeatedly proven that the boots are heavier than iron. Bo probably shares your general ignorance of metals and so thought it was iron.
This last bit is not an argument, its just a daft lift of things not even stated or argued by me. If you want to ignore developers then do so, its only what youve been doing since youve been taking your own fan made BS math over the games actual canon.
Math is infallible. It's one of the few things in the universe that can be said to be absolute. There is no such thing as fanboy math, just math done by humans. You're the one ignoring developers, since they're the Heavy Boots.
Ganon does not teleport faster than Kain and Ganon would be a helpless puppet. being canonically more powerful than Link, he would rip link apart under Kains control. Not that link would be alive as remember, he cant react to the teleporter whos broken his neck beforehand?
Already proven to have mental resistance. Now you're just making unbacked claims.
As I said, a few slashes/cuts. Its not impressive to say the least. And Ganon is a mindless beast wielding swords alone iirc, if Ganondorf wants to take that form then thats fine by me but its featless other than some endurance.
Ganondorf's taken more than that, BT, you're just making things up again. His swords shatterd stone pillars and could still use fire magic.
😆 entire castle falling on him, do you even look at your own game or do you invent your own fanon concerning not only the feats but also the storyline as well? a few blocks, most of which may have missed him completly as he was at the top of the castle. You must really hate LoZ to want to change all the canon to suit you.
Blocks that he shattered with his head, proving higher durability, as well as the whole exploding castle in TP.
In this case he does though. The same how Midna isn't corrupted.
Midna used the Fused Shadows before, and is an actual Twili. It was her magic, the rightful power of the Twilight Princess. Even so, she merely TK'd them, and only when her flesh touched them did she transform. Zant still got killed by it, so he didn't seem to have resistence. In addition, Zant was never seen touching the Fused Shadows, either; he just TK'd them, as well. Ganondorf is Gerudo, and came into contact with them without transforming or being corrupted.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Thanks for proving he can shoot lightning. Neat. Now note the electricity Link reflects in OoT/TP?1:40, it even shows lightning bolts when Ganon charges it. When it hits Link, you hear electricity crackling.
I'm not saying it's not electricity. Just stating it isn't lightning.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Theres no stupid at all because I am simply using the actual canon, unlike the daft funny little fanon "you cling to" yourself. Unless ofc you think the real game is stupid.
Fanboy ranting. Make a point next time.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Its not irrelevant, its happened canonically so trying to claim that Gorons are immune to lava based on this is BS. If the game itself is inconsistent (likely) then thats not my concern, its still canon.
You know what else has happened canonically? Gorons walking in lava. And as I've said for at least the fourth time now, your own logic forbids new events from overriding those of the past.
Therefore, Dangoro being harmed is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Its important because Links feats would be impossible for someone of his size and weight. He would be crushed and buried under the weight even if he could lift it. Strength does not= durability+weight.
Size does not equal strength in fiction. Your own wanking of Kain is proof enough of that. As are the characters of Kratos, Link, and Dante.
Link is easily capable of lifting these blocks. And you are incorrect. The act of lifting and holding 200 pounds over your head means that your body can withstand the force of 200 pounds pressing down on your body. Basic logic is basic. And I'll admit you have me lost as to why you threw weight into there. I don't believe I've ever argued that being fat makes someone stronger.
Originally posted by Burning thought
There are not inconsistencies, what are you talking of?
Take another look. You said anything can use toonforce, yet seek to support it by claiming that LoZ has cartoony graphics. If what you previously said is true, then graphics are irrelevant. This is pathetic, your own claims work against you.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Anything can "use" toonforce, any game. But you would have to do something cartoonlike like bouncing off lava, or having tiny little characters lifting things that would crush their bones. Your lack of understanding and overall ignorence shows through with your little rant on how apprently everything is toonforce, you seem to have little clue of what the term is used for.
So they have to do something cartoonlike? Well, Tom the cat in Tom and Jerry cartoons has been easily capable of moving things much larger than him, like, say, a refrigerator. A toon did it, so it must be cartoonlike, right? Well, Kain and Raziel happen to move stone blocks larger than them. This act bears a striking resemblance to Tom moving a fridge! GASP! KAIN USES TOONFORCE!
The rest of it is a pissed off fanboy ranting at someone more intelligent.
Originally posted by Burning thought
New events technically can if their new in an entirely different game. just because Gorons are immune in other games does not make it true in this one, that does not mean we can just ignore what Tp shows us.
Oh, so past events can be overridden on criteria that you set? Enlighten me, oh great one, what is this criteria?
In the mean time, you have just accepted that Link wielding the Ball and Chain is merely an animation discrepancy.
I can't wait to see how you try to scramble out of this one.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Can you prove this exactly? not sure I can read Japanese and I doubt you can. Not that this changes anything, the actual canon for the western version is canon.
I'll have to leave that up to Scenario. And nah, I think I'll agree with the language the game was originally written in and pass Iron off as a a translation change.
Originally posted by Burning thought
The Triforce is more complicated and its powers are not obvious from simply looking at it unlike Iron which can be deduced based on colour, weight etc. Bo in this case is not falliable.
Ah, but Ganondorf is not fallible either, as he researched the myths of the Triforce and sought it because he understood what it is capable of. We don't even know where Bo got these boots, all we know is he used them. Last I checked, Bo isn't a smith either, he's the town's mayor. How does he know which metal is which based on color?
And you say I use theory. Lol.
Originally posted by Burning thought
This last bit is not an argument, its just a daft lift of things not even stated or argued by me. If you want to ignore developers then do so, its only what youve been doing since youve been taking your own fan made BS math over the games actual canon.
Ah, but it is, I followed your logic. See, the creators wrote the dialog for these characters. Yet you want to say Ganon is fallible, which is you assuming the developers made him lie. And if they made him lie, nothing in the game can be trusted as everything in the game is fallible.
I recommend we do what we're meant to based on common sense and assume that he did not lie unless he later says so. Otherwise, nothing is held to be true, in any game, ever.
Not trusting the developers is that logic on an even dumber level, which I would not be surprised to see you argue at one point.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Ganon does not teleport faster than Kain and Ganon would be a helpless puppet. being canonically more powerful than Link, he would rip link apart under Kains control. Not that link would be alive as remember, he cant react to the teleporter whos broken his neck beforehand?
Oh but he does, Zant's teleportation trumps Kain's, especially since he's already attacking when he isn't even totally finished with the technique.
Nah, while Kain wastes his time trying to mind control Ganondorf he gets stabbed by Link, who by the way does react to the teleporter as he's fought someone better at it. You know, Zant.
Originally posted by Burning thought
As I said, a few slashes/cuts. Its not impressive to say the least. And Ganon is a mindless beast wielding swords alone iirc, if Ganondorf wants to take that form then thats fine by me but its featless other than some endurance.
This is nothing more than a pissed off fanboy ignoring things now. Come up with a point that isn't filled with dumb.
Originally posted by Burning thought
😆 entire castle falling on him, do you even look at your own game or do you invent your own fanon concerning not only the feats but also the storyline as well? a few blocks, most of which may have missed him completly as he was at the top of the castle. You must really hate LoZ to want to change all the canon to suit you.
See my response to the above paragraph.
As for Dangoro bouncing, he needed to do it. When he breaks the chains, I believe that platform drops quite a ways, and when Link defeats him he raises it by somehow having the room filled with more lava. Without Dangoro, Link is stuck.
Also Sin, Spark is a physical move. It's basically a weaker version of Volt Tackle.
Originally posted by Sin_VolvagiaUhm, lolwut?
Same reason why Spark from the Pokemon games aren't moving at lightning speeds.
1. Irrelevant.
2. you can't prove it. 😐
3. Seperate universes.
Ganon can shoot lightning, and demonstrates this. These blasts are obviously electrical and even look like lightning until he throws them. Then the play
Spoiler:If they hit you, they even act like lightning.
HAS to deflect them. They're slowed for the player. Gameplay mechanics.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Uhm, lolwut?1. Irrelevant.
2. you can't prove it. 😐
3. Seperate universes.Ganon can shoot lightning, and demonstrates this. These blasts are obviously electrical and even look like lightning until he throws them. Then the play
Spoiler:If they hit you, they even act like lightning.
HAS to deflect them. They're slowed for the player. Gameplay mechanics.
You can't prove that they move like lightning. Having lightning impact doesn't prove that they move the same way.
Also, Thundershock Thunderbolt, and Thunder move at lightning speed so what's the big deal?
Originally posted by The ScenarioI don't see how this is at all comparable. Ganon's attack is a lot closer to Thunderbolt in how it works.
Spark is just the Pokemon running a current through itself before tackling something.
IE:
Step one, charge electricity.
Step two, release in a current at your enemy.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Bloodrain, how light would something have to be to skim across the surface of lava? or bounce across it? assuming it did not burn up ofc.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Why did Dangoro bounce on lava? Here's why:
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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Consider that Gorons are very likeable characters, and how well the game would be recieved if they had Link /drown/ a good guy in lava. They had to have him come back up, simple as that. How he did so is just an inconsistency.Edit: Not that Gorons need to breathe, actually. It'd probably result in Dangoro starving to death.
Cole shoots out streams of electricity, its fast. When its orbs, its slow.
Megaman EXE shoots out streams of electricity, its fast. When its orbs, its slow.
Zeus shoots out streams of electricity, its fast. When its orbs, its slow.
Dante shoots out streams of electricity, its fast. When its orbs, its slow.
Smash Pikachu shoots out streams of electricity, its fast. When its orbs, its slow.
Neku shoots out streams of electricity, its fast. When its orbs, its slow.
An I think some Sonic, Castlevania and other games do the same thing, and as it appears LoZ follows suit.
Just random examples showing first that bolts>orbs in speed from games including LoZ and unless proven its just an electric orb travelling at its own set speed. Only thing to say they are of bolt speed is 'because its electricity so it has to' but that has to be proven ifs there are many differences to the real deal.
Because to bounce back lightning like he did both Zelda and Link would have to be slashing at 120,000m/s :/