Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Fanboy ranting. Make a point next time.You know what else has happened canonically? Gorons walking in lava. And as I've said for at least the fourth time now, your own logic forbids new events from overriding those of the past.
Therefore, Dangoro being harmed is irrelevant.
Size does not equal strength in fiction. Your own wanking of Kain is proof enough of that. As are the characters of Kratos, Link, and Dante.
Link is easily capable of lifting these blocks. And you are incorrect. The act of lifting and holding 200 pounds over your head means that your body can withstand the force of 200 pounds pressing down on your body. Basic logic is basic. And I'll admit you have me lost as to why you threw weight into there. I don't believe I've ever argued that being fat makes someone stronger.
Take another look. You said anything can use toonforce, yet seek to support it by claiming that LoZ has cartoony graphics. If what you previously said is true, then graphics are irrelevant. This is pathetic, your own claims work against you.
So they have to do something cartoonlike? Well, Tom the cat in Tom and Jerry cartoons has been easily capable of moving things much larger than him, like, say, a refrigerator. A toon did it, so it must be cartoonlike, right? Well, Kain and Raziel happen to move stone blocks larger than them. This act bears a striking resemblance to Tom moving a fridge! GASP! KAIN USES TOONFORCE!
The rest of it is a pissed off fanboy ranting at someone more intelligent.
Oh, so past events can be overridden on criteria that you set? Enlighten me, oh great one, what is this criteria?
In the mean time, you have just accepted that Link wielding the Ball and Chain is merely an animation discrepancy.
I can't wait to see how you try to scramble out of this one.
I'll have to leave that up to Scenario. And nah, I think I'll agree with the language the game was originally written in and pass Iron off as a a translation change.
Ah, but Ganondorf is not fallible either, as he researched the myths of the Triforce and sought it because he understood what it is capable of. We don't even know where Bo got these boots, all we know is he used them. Last I checked, Bo isn't a smith either, he's the town's mayor. How does he know which metal is which based on color?
And you say I use theory. Lol.
Ah, but it is, I followed your logic. See, the creators wrote the dialog for these characters. Yet you want to say Ganon is fallible, which is you assuming the developers made him lie. And if they made him lie, nothing in the game can be trusted as everything in the game is fallible.
I recommend we do what we're meant to based on common sense and assume that he did not lie unless he later says so. Otherwise, nothing is held to be true, in any game, ever.
Not trusting the developers is that logic on an even dumber level, which I would not be surprised to see you argue at one point.
Oh but he does, Zant's teleportation trumps Kain's, especially since he's already attacking when he isn't even totally finished with the technique.
Nah, while Kain wastes his time trying to mind control Ganondorf he gets stabbed by Link, who by the way does react to the teleporter as he's fought someone better at it. You know, Zant.
This is nothing more than a pissed off fanboy ignoring things now. Come up with a point that isn't filled with dumb.
See my response to the above paragraph.
As for Dangoro bouncing, he needed to do it. When he breaks the chains, I believe that platform drops quite a ways, and when Link defeats him he raises it by somehow having the room filled with more lava. Without Dangoro, Link is stuck.
Also Sin, Spark is a physical move. It's basically a weaker version of Volt Tackle.
Then either Dangoro is the exception and has no resistance OR the Gorons as a race were retconned.
It equels weight however which is important when handling things that weigh many tonnes, especially hundreds.
If he can take 200 pounds then fair enough, human beings can as well. But not tonnes, weight is important, youve lost the point tbh.
I did not say only things with cartoon graphics can be toonforce. There is no inconsistency at all.
Raziel moves them in a manner that does not change physical properties. For example, Raziel has to use his strength, not bodyweight to move the blocks hence why he uses his arms to push, and has to crouch to use his strength to flip blocks.
😆 someone more intelligent? mr "zomg iron is heavier than iron because my fanon has to be true!!" is more intelligent...tell me another joke? it would make your posts more than just daft ignorance and at least humorous.
Well, lets see. A new game such as TP can technically retcon an older game like OoT, ofc its arguable whether Dangoro alone being weak to lava is enough to say an entire race was retconned, its more likely that Dangoro simply does not have resistance. According to what did I accept this animation discrepancy? not that the Ball and chain thing was my argument, I think thats more Quanchis, mine is based on stone hard facts such as Iron, toonforce and the illogical non physical feats that TP displays and LoZ in general.
Prove that simply researching myths can give you undeniable knowledge on what the triforce is capable of? I am not a smith either.....I can identify iron from steel from copper.
And Bo is a man, he would not be able to lift them if they were more than a hundred or two pounds each.
No, this is your own ignorence speaking again. Characters in a game do not have to be written themselves as undeniable fact. A developer can write a character as a lier if they so wish, or as ignorant.
No, I suggest we use basic logic based on his limited knowledge on a complicated item that does not have evidence of what its total power and ability is based on appearance unlike Iron which can be identified on physical properties unlike a magical artifact. I cant belive I have to actually run this through with someone, its pretty simple logic that you cannot seem to grasp.
So does Kain, Zants is inferior and Link cannot even react to it as proven previously by both me and Bloodrain, he gets his neck snapped and Ganon gets mind controlled and becomes Kains puppet. 😆 your bringing up BS out of thin air, hows link going to travel to Kain whos mind controlling Ganondorf nigh instantly without getting ripped apart by something else on the LoK side, or buried. Links dead from a teleporter, Ganondorf is on the LoK side now.....
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Zeus never throws orbs. He throws bolts, which are his main method of attack. Apart from the final attack of his against Kratos in their battle on the Summit of Sacrifice, he typically does not use streams of lightning.
And yet when he actually uses the stream, its fast. Unlike his slower orbs/bolts. Depends what your calling an orb, as those he throws at Sparta are certainly not like normal lightning.
But all this assumption based nonsense backed by "it looks like lightning therefore its automatically maximum speed", me, Bloodrain and I think Sin have shown examples of fictions also using lightning slower than the natural version. Stop reaching.
The loZ stack one huge fanboy assumption and reach on top of another, Iron boots being heavy, not being iron or are somehow enchanted without evidence. All lightning in games are apprently as fast as natural lightning for the sake of Link not being a slug....I loled.
Originally posted by The Scenario
You did almost as poor a job at argueing as Moocow. I am not going to reply the same to each post because I have tackled the points against Moo but you said a few new things so first:
-Prove their officially called heavy boots.
-Prove Bo's strength, as a human he would not lift more than a few hundred pounds and even thats a long shot.
-Nothing has proven Iron boots as heavier than iron, and Dangoros bouncing on the lava sort of collapses the idea that LoZ is physically viable anyway.
-Then Dangoro is unique and weak to lava, its quite simple.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Go argue with Nintendo.
You are, you also hate their games because you re-write your own fanon over the top of their own canon and call it fact.