LOK3 Defiance vs. Twilight Princess

Originally posted by The Scenario
If you consider that a wall of text, I can understand why you don't read my normal posts.

The creator is the highest authority. What you just did was claim Word of God unofficial.

Ah, that's what you're getting at? There was never any information on what Bo did, just that the Gorons respect him. He pushed one out of the ring when it couldn't move him, presumably, but that's just a guess, too.

I've explained it to you before.

YouTube video

Starts at 2:40.

Each of those small statues is roughly half Link's weight. Five of them is equal to the big statue. Thus, the small statues and the big statue together are roughly five times Link's weight. It's not shown there, because it's a walkthrough, but when Link is wearing the boots, he weighs more than all of them together. Thus, the boots are over five times Link's weight.

We calculated that an amount of iron that is the size of the iron boots would be around 200 pounds, right? Well, assuming Link weighs even 140 pounds (despite his chainmail, sword, and shield), that would put the boots over 600 pounds. There aren't enough statues to equal Link's weight with the boots, so nothing in the series has yet outweighed them.

There, definitive proof that the Heavy Boots are heavier than iron.

It is an inconsistency. Dangoro is an outlier, he's the only one to do this, and all other Gorons in the game show significantly higher magma resistence.

I read all your posts, hence how I picked out a piece and replied to it earlier even thought its directed at Quanchi, walls dont always have to be tall you know...

He is the highest authority, that does not make every statement a canon and official representation of the game.

If the boots were 70 tonnes like Screampaste belives, Bo would not be able to move in those boots. Thats what I am getting at, also pushing a Goron out of the ring also shows that humans>Gorons when given an anchor of a few extra hundred pounds.

Those statues are almost half his size, are hollow and dont look heavy at all. How are you getting the figuires behind their weight because tbh this puzzle does not look like a good representation of canon weight. This will become an argument of pointless semantics, because even if I agreed to them being about 600-800 pounds (I dont), at most a ton then its still not impressive in the scheme of things in this thread.

Hey, BT. One of these is iron. Can you tell which?

Originally posted by Burning thought
I read all your posts, hence how I picked out a piece and replied to it earlier even thought its directed at Quanchi, walls dont always have to be tall you know...

It was not a wall of text, plain and simple. So, do you just forget what my posts say or something? I've told you about the weight puzzle at least three times.

He is the highest authority, that does not make every statement a canon and official representation of the game.

It does when he's talking about the game and an item in it.

If the boots were 70 tonnes like Screampaste belives, Bo would not be able to move in those boots. Thats what I am getting at, also pushing a Goron out of the ring also shows that humans>Gorons when given an anchor of a few extra hundred pounds.

There's no proof one way or the other about whether or not he moved. Also, no, it just shows that Bo had better leverage and superior weight.

Those statues are almost half his size, are hollow and dont look heavy at all. How are you getting the figuires behind their weight because tbh this puzzle does not look like a good representation of canon weight. This will become an argument of pointless semantics, because even if I agreed to them being about 600-800 pounds (I dont), at most a ton then its still not impressive in the scheme of things in this thread. [/B]

If you put two statues on the scale, it equals Link. Thus, half his weight. And so you're ignoring a point just because you don't like it again. This is a weight puzzle. Weight is the most important part of it, and you don't think it's a good representation of weight?

Originally posted by The Scenario

Hey, BT. One of these is iron. Can you tell which?

The second one? unless this is a trick question and its both in different forms (processed/out of the ground) 😉 and whats the relevance of this? your trying to claim that Bo does not know what Iron looks like or something despite (using your words) living near and being accepted by "the dwarves of LoZ"....

Originally posted by The Scenario
It was not a wall of text, plain and simple. So, do you just forget what my posts say or something? I've told you about the weight puzzle at least three times.

It does when he's talking about the game and an item in it.

There's no proof one way or the other about whether or not he moved. Also, no, it just shows that Bo had better leverage and superior weight.

If you put two statues on the scale, it equals Link. Thus, half his weight. And so you're ignoring a point just because you don't like it again. This is a weight puzzle. Weight is the most important part of it, and you don't think it's a good representation of weight?

Chances are I considered it inconclusive, like for example this puzzle.

Sorry but no, it does not. If hes talking about the game its not automatically official and this certainly does not look official. His designers are not scribbling out "iron" in the Japanese version and changing them to "heavy boots" at every word he says...

I never said I am ignoring a point because I dont like it. I may ignore it because its inconclusive evidence, its a puzzle thats not necesserily an accurate representation of weight. What you really think the developers sat there and took into account how one block may weigh more than Link? their tiny hollow things of what looks like a thin stone.

Originally posted by Burning thought
The second one? unless this is a trick question and its both in different forms (processed/out of the ground) 😉 and whats the relevance of this? your trying to claim that Bo does not know what Iron looks like or something despite (using your words) living near and being accepted by "the dwarves of LoZ"....

Congratulations, you figured it out (could have just looked at the url, though.) Except...no. These are two pieces of iron from different regions. You seem to think all iron is the same, when this is not true. Iron is known for its impurities, which can have any effect on its appearance or general weight. I've said before that the weight we've been using is that of pure elemental iron. That was just to illustrate that any given source of iron can be very difference from another.

Further, you're talking nonsense again. Ordon village is nowhere near Death Mountain, which is where the Gorons live. Further still, living near the Gorons wouldn't give one any ability at mining or identifying iron. The Gorons didn't even know that Bo had the boots, meaning he got them without their knowledge.

Chances are I considered it inconclusive, like for example this puzzle.

I no longer care about this.

Sorry but no, it does not. If hes talking about the game its not automatically official and this certainly does not look official. His designers are not scribbling out "iron" in the Japanese version and changing them to "heavy boots" at every word he says...

He's using the word he knows, which is "hebyibutso," directly translated as Heavy Boots. When localized, it changed to Iron Boots in English. When localized in the French and Spanish versions, it got changed to Lead Boots.

I never said I am ignoring a point because I dont like it. I may ignore it because its inconclusive evidence, its a puzzle thats not necesserily an accurate representation of weight. What you really think the developers sat there and took into account how one block may weigh more than Link? their tiny hollow things of what looks like a thin stone.

You're ignoring a point because its a puzzle? You're ignoring a point about weight because it's a weight puzzle? You really think that an entire puzzle that hinges around the weight of several objects is not an accurate representation of their weight? That is a reach if I have ever seen one, BT.

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I'm gonna slap somebody if I see more confusion over the boots.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Congratulations, you figured it out (could have just looked at the url, though.) Except...no. These are two pieces of iron from different regions. You seem to think all iron is the same, when this is not true. Iron is known for its impurities, which can have any effect on its appearance or general weight. I've said before that the weight we've been using is that of pure elemental iron. That was just to illustrate that any given source of iron can be very difference from another.

Further, you're talking nonsense again. Ordon village is nowhere near Death Mountain, which is where the Gorons live. Further still, living near the Gorons wouldn't give one any ability at mining or identifying iron. The Gorons didn't even know that Bo had the boots, meaning he got them without their knowledge.

I no longer care about this.

He's using the word he knows, which is "hebyibutso," directly translated as Heavy Boots. When localized, it changed to Iron Boots in English. When localized in the French and Spanish versions, it got changed to Lead Boots.

You're ignoring a point because its a puzzle? You're ignoring a point about [b]weight because it's a weight puzzle? You really think that an entire puzzle that hinges around the weight of several objects is not an accurate representation of their weight? That is a reach if I have ever seen one, BT. [/B]

Iron represented in its casted form, e.g in the form of boots, swords, armour is represented in almost all games as a greyish/silver metal like the iron boots. I wager however that no source of iron weighs in at 70 tonnes when formed into boots.

Not really, the logic is sound, Ordon village not being on death mountain still does not answer the fact Bo has been accepted by them and had been with them before.

So? youve yet to prove all of this is official...your source does not state the information you just said. Nor does it conclude which is more official.

I am cynical over this puzzles value because the objects link is using are small, hollow things that look more alike to pewter pots than anything heavy. Certainly not half of someones weight hence the conclusion I make is that this puzzle is not necesserily accurate to the degree of being able to say "the developers have made sure each pot is around 60 pounds each so that two are equel to link".

Great, BT's still trying to find a way to cling to the idea that the boots aren't insanely heavy.

Link kills the EG, Ganondorf kills everything else. Literally everything else. He creates an eternal storm, flash freezes entire cities, creates twilight fields, whatever.

Links not killing anyone, he gets his neck broken in the first minutes of the battle to a teleport he cant react to and Ganon destroys his own forces while becoming Kains puppet.

The EG buries the lot of them for lulz. Or chucks them one by one into the circle of nine (or 3 which is all thats needed) reality dome and LoK laugh as the LoZ characters scream in terror as they are transformed into goodness knows what...

Originally posted by Burning thought
Links not killing anyone, he gets his neck broken in the first minutes of the battle to a teleport he cant react to and Ganon destroys his own forces while becoming Kains puppet.

The EG buries the lot of them for lulz. Or chucks them one by one into the circle of nine (or 3 which is all thats needed) reality dome and LoK laugh as the LoZ characters scream in terror as they are transformed into goodness knows what...

Link is killing anyone who he wants to in this thread. 😐 And with the ease of slaughtering mooks. TP Link can benchpress 500 tons when he's still a disgrace to the tunic, mah boy. End game TP Link is so much stronger than anything in LoK that it's a ridiculous comparison. Kain beat the EG, Link would actually /kill/ the EG. And effortlessly. Where Kain has no feats of speed, reaction, and his strength is at best 50 tons, Link has shown time and time again to be very durable, very strong, insanely skilled, and has the reaction time, along with Ganondorf, for them to play catch with lightning bolts. (Something you're determined to ignore, but you also claimed the iron boots aren't heavy, so lol.)
He'd rip the EG apart in a few seconds. Zohnoes, a couple tentacles?

Also, lol@Ganondorf becoming Kain's puppet, ever. He can touch the fused shadows with no ill-effects, has incredible magic resistance in general, and is going to kill Kain before the poor bastard can do anything.

Yeh, thats a nice list of fanon and BS thats been disproved (and surprise surprise youve ignored evidence again) but Links got nothing on the EG, Links got nothing on Kain, Links never reacted to anything quckly least of all natural lightning. The guy gets his head snapped from his shoulders and hes not even seeing whos done it unless someone on LoK raises him from the dead.

Yeh, Ganon has no resistance. his mind is an open book to Kain who will simply take up resisdence. Combined with his zero reaction feats and he will probably not even get time to wail in shock at Link getting his neck broken before he turns around and starts crushing his own forces.

A few vamps and Sarafan move in and finish the rest of LoZ off while the EG slumbers. Hes not required and is spite.

You're the one ignoring evidence, not me. You're ignoring Ganon's reaction feats. (jumping absurdly high when dodging arrows that break the sound barrier just to be a show off, playing catch with lightning bolts, you know "nothing impresssive" haermm)

Yeah, just as soon as anyone from LoK moves 9001 tiems faster than they actually do, and is 9001 times stronger than they actually are, they might snap his neck. Maybe. That's assuming that they'd be able to even overpower his neck muscles with that level of strength. (Link by end game is literally more than 20 000 times stronger than Kain.)

With Link's current reaction time, even if they could heart him, they could put their hands on him, and he could literally turn around fully and mortal draw them ebfore they even realise they've not grasped anything.

Link or Ganon could solo every vamp and sarafan in the entirety of LoK.

You know, nothing that actually happened (lightning bolts). Mortanius or Kain could just cast spirit death, a quick gesture and Ganon is gone...or imprisoned if they wish in something else under their control.

Links not that strong or durable, and hes not fast either. I dont think Quanchi said "Screampastes fanon is allowed as canon" when he made this thread.

Nah, one power from Kain and both could be dead or under his control. Fanon supports your idea of them being a thread to LoK, canon supports Kain being a thread to LoZ. Big difference.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You know, nothing that actually happened (lightning bolts). Mortanius or Kain could just cast spirit death, a quick gesture and Ganon is gone...or imprisoned if they wish in something else under their control.

Links not that strong or durable, and hes not fast either. I dont think Quanchi said "Screampastes fanon is allowed as canon" when he made this thread.

Nah, one power from Kain and both could be dead or under his control. Fanon supports your idea of them being a thread to LoK, canon supports Kain being a thread to LoZ. Big difference.

Go play a Zelda game, BT, I know, much better than you do, what happened. Spirit death? You mean that featless spell that only works on mooks and Ganon and Link are both immune to? haermm GJ! Nice fail.

Stronger and more durable than any character in LoK. Keep calling things that actually happen in the games fanon, makes me look better by comparison. 😉

Lol "thread". Canon says all your silly spells are featless and useless against Link or Ganon, who will kill everythign in the entire LoKverse. 🙂

Twilight Princess? Bella stomps the hell out of that world.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Twilight Princess? Bella stomps the hell out of that world.

It's funny on one hand, but... On the other! D:

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol'd.

Go play a Zelda game, BT, I know, much better than you do, what happened. Spirit death? You mean that [b]featless spell that only works on mooks and Ganon and Link are both immune to? haermm GJ! Nice fail.

Stronger and more durable than any character in LoK. Keep calling things that actually happen in the games fanon, makes me look better by comparison. 😉

Lol "thread". Canon says all your silly spells are featless and useless against Link or Ganon, who will kill everythign in the entire LoKverse. 🙂 [/B]

I suggest you play it, you will see your fanon does not quite hold up. Immune to? based on what? more silly assumptions and fanon?

You cant look better while your yapping on about how your math is canon to the game where your apprently 100 ton Gorons bounce along lava.

No it doesnt, canon says they do what their canonically capable of doing to featless entities. Such as link and dorf, who get mind controlled.

Originally posted by Burning thought
I suggest you play it, you will see your fanon does not quite hold up. Immune to? based on what? more silly assumptions and fanon?

You cant look better while your yapping on about how your math is canon to the game where your apprently 100 ton Gorons bounce along lava.

No it doesnt, canon says they do what their canonically capable of doing to featless entities. Such as link and dorf, who get mind controlled.

2. One inconsistency does not discredit the rest of the game.

3. Neither Link nor Ganondorf are featless, and the two of them rip apart the entire LoKverse until you start showing some actual feats, rather than just whining and calling Zelda characters "featless" after figurative mountains of feats have been shown to you.

Playing dumb might be cute to your parents, but it's a shitty tactic in a debate.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
gay_rage

It's funny on one hand, but... On the other! D:

Would a pic of a RL ZSS getting ready to roll herself into a ball earn your forgiveness?

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Would a pic of a RL ZSS getting ready to roll herself into a ball earn your forgiveness?