Originally posted by Burning thought
Wrong thread bucko, the Hylden lord is the least of Ganons worries in here that is before he gets mind raped and becomes part of the LoK side alongside his old friend Link.Perhaps Link, Ganon and Zant can whistle the soul reaver intro tune while their mind raped and watch the EG bury their verse' best.
Why do you always suggest that LoZ loses to power that THEY THEMSELVES USE? Lunacy...
😆 oh please, now your embarassing the LoZ side now? screampaste, you...Moocow, I am waiting for the funny car and the custard pies to start flying about the place...
Just because they use a power their immune to said power? Ok, LoK are immune to reality warping, lightning, mind powers, soul powers, physical attacks (hell they use themz!)....
No honestly, youve never had a case behind the whole "they use it therefore their immune" nonsense, their completly defenceless to it. Your fortunate Quanchi does not allow possession, the other hylden (other than the Sarafan lord) and other non Defiance characters otherwise loZ will be made even more of a joke of.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Just because they use a power their immune to said power? Ok, LoK are immune to reality warping, lightning, mind powers, soul powers, physical attacks (hell they use themz!)....No honestly, youve never had a case behind the whole "they use it therefore their immune" nonsense, their completly defenceless to it. Your fortunate Quanchi does not allow possession, the other hylden (other than the Sarafan lord) and other non Defiance characters otherwise loZ will be made even more of a joke of.
I like how you just put an argument in my mouth for me. Where in my post did I suggest that they were immune? Don't bother looking; it's not there.
Ganon side-B Elder God,
Link slays, stones, banishes etc. Kain and Raziel
Zant rapes everyone else.
As for possession; try a tactic that they [i]haven't[i] beaten yet, yeah?
You implied that because they use the power, that it was ridiculous for me to claim they lose against it. That in itself is a complete joke.
Ganon does nothing to the EG, not sure he does anything to anyone. He gets killed by a teleporter..
As does link, as we found out earlier he cannot react to teleports so he gets killed by any one of them if hes not mind raped.
Zants featless, a few human archers spray arrows into him, if he teleports then maybe he can take a couple of the humans out before he gets killed.
I could sit and list many single characters who could solo the 3 you mentioned, and one great big guy who would solo the whole thread by himself by accident.
Originally posted by Burning thought
You implied that because they use the power, that it was ridiculous for me to claim they lose against it. That in itself is a complete joke.Ganon does nothing to the EG, not sure he does anything to anyone. He gets killed by a teleporter..
As does link, as we found out earlier he cannot react to teleports so he gets killed by any one of them if hes not mind raped.
Zants featless, a few human archers spray arrows into him, if he teleports then maybe he can take a couple of the humans out before he gets killed.
I could sit and list many single characters who could solo the 3 you mentioned, and one great big guy who would solo the whole thread by himself by accident.
Come on man. I could swear I remember (Scenario) proving that Zant alone discredits your post.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
BT, if you really want to sit there and insist that we are stupid and you are vastly more intelligent, work on your spelling and grammar. If I see you tell me that I possess wrong one more time then, well, I won't do anything really. I'll just be sitting here laughing at you.
I dont have to insist, I can see it from some of the funny things you come out with, my spelling and grammar is irrelevent but nice try to make a straw man about something irrelevant to an argument. Go and work on some debating skills and then get back in here.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
Come on man. I could swear I remember (Scenario) proving that Zant alone discredits your post.
Scenario has shown that Zant has a very short ranged illusion and has teleportion that he would need to use to get close enough to use his illusion (its range of the rooms he can apprently form is limited). This combined with the fact it takes a while to use anyway makes Zant pretty damn useless, weak and featless. Humans kill him....
Also lets talk about Hyrules organisation, do any of them even know any tactics at all other than just running at a foe and hopeing to fight? is Ganon the only one who has had an army at his back before and in what form was it, I mean apprently he was just a king of thieves and his armies never consisted of face to fact battles like Kain has fought in. In a army VS army fight, logisitcs and tactis go to LoK easily. Especially with Moebius' temporal gifts of seeing the future.
Okay. Continue to make me laugh by telling me I posses wrong. You did it in the other thread too. You told Dunsparce he possesses the one lieing. Which is also incorrect in the spelling of "lying" and in who is in fact not telling the truth.
I have destroyed your arguments before, and the last two times I did it you just quit. So if you won't play to the end of the game, why should I bother?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I have destroyed your arguments before, and the last two times I did it you just quit. So if you won't play to the end of the game, why should I bother?
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Okay. Continue to make me laugh
A little out of context and both from you but relevent....you cant destroy my arguments and show me where I apprently "quit", I rarely if ever quit. I even returned to this thread despite being filled with LoZ fallacies, and jokes on lightning jodging.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
How about the power of the Hylian people themselves? Here's a quote:"With their magic-infused blood, the Hylian people were endowed with psychic powers and skill in wizardry."
Get wrecked by the townspeople.
Wheres that from? and thats not going to help them considering the Sarafan and most of LoK are filled with sorcerors, the higher tieres being far beyond LoZ spellplay. Hell even the lower tiers in the Sarafan can create shields covering groups of soldiers and project magic blasts.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Wheres that from? and thats not going to help them considering the Sarafan and most of LoK are filled with sorcerors, the higher tieres being far beyond LoZ spellplay. Hell even the lower tiers in the Sarafan can create shields covering groups of soldiers and project magic blasts.
It's from the LttP manual.
Wow, shields?! That's neat. Elders in Zelda can seal off entire worlds.
As far as I'm concerned, everyone in LoK is about the threat of a sword-wielding Wizzrobe.
Originally posted by LLLLLink
It's from the LttP manual.
Wow, shields?! That's neat. Elders in Zelda can seal off entire worlds.As far as I'm concerned, everyone in LoK is about the threat of a sword-wielding Wizzrobe.
Yes well, your not really concerned because your knowledge on LoK is greatly lacking and based on that statement your ignorence shows through even worse so.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You quit in this exact thread. And in the last LoK thread I made. I'm not going to go find them. You'll probably just start to argue about them and say they never happened.
I never quit, I said I was busy. Theres a big difference. And now I have some time before I go away on holiday, I am using some free time to finish this off.
My LoZ knowledge when concerning a lot of the apprent feats their supposed to do. I have had to dig up evidence myself, unlike you I am not lazy. I dont claim Ganon is weak, I find a video of him being impaled by a dinky sword and wailing and furthermore struggling to break small chains to realise this fact.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtShe just sounds like shes refering to the evil magic or Ganondorf specifaclly channeled into that object. She did not mension twilight, I have researched the twilight realm online in wikis and the main site and the storyline points out that all Zant is doing is merging twilight realm energy with Hyrule, why Twili transform you have yet to show me because the twilight is what they live in. I can only assume its because of Ganondorfs influence but this does not connect with hyrule.
Yes, she's talking about the magic that was sealed into the crystal by the Master Sword. It was twilight magic since it turned Link into a wolf.
I don't recall anything in the game saying he was merging the two realms, so I'll have to re-check that one. The Twili were still turned into shadow beasts by something, and also the fact that Zant can use clouds of twilight in the light world.
But anyway, this is a strawman still, you have proven they can resist twilight which does not "rip souls from bodies" but instead seems to morph you into a spirit. Thats not what loK magic does....your logic is "LoZ characters can resist being morphed by twilight dust therefore they have resistance to having their souls ripped out" this does not make any logical or sense at all...
Turning someone into a soul is the same as removing their soul. Having resistence to a soul transformation would translate to having resistence to other soul based effects, just like having resistence to mind control would translate to resistence to other mind based effects.
Now, what if I said Kain has no resistence to twilight? I'm sure you'd go right to the Circle of Nine's reality warping field not affecting him, am I right? But by your own arguement, Kain has only resisted that, he's never dealt with twilight. If twilight isn't magic, and Kain has only resisted magic, wouldn't it be folly to suggest that Kain can resist twilight?
As I said, Defiance covers those periods, you just only play as Kain from his Elder point of view. For exampe the point in Defiance where the pillars explode is the point where young Kain, BO1 Kain is still alive and excists.
But he isn't featured in the game itself, is what I'm saying. He's mentioned several times and corrupts the pillars, yes, but he never makes an actual appearance. It'd be like saying I can use Ganondorf as he is in TP and the past Ganondorf from that flashback where he gets sealed by the Sages.
He should have the spell, canonically he does and even by the rules of the thread chronologically most Kains in the time series are present in the periods Kain and Raziel visit in Defiance. Kain could still just use a combination of TK, the reaver and teleportation.
But he doesn't have it in Defiance, just like Ganondorf doesn't have his set-your-ass-on-fire-from-a-mile-away spell, even though he has it in other games.
Because he did not try to knock it down, theres no indication of stress or weight use. I can push my hand against a door without using any or very little strength, but ifI wanted to open it and I had hundreds of tonnes of strength in my arms, it would be folly to belive i could control hundreds of tonnes.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DoesNotKnowHisOwnStrength
Most people can, in fact, control their own strength. It's when it gets down to the really small stuff that control starts to deteriorate. The littlest touches are bigger than you realize.
The Dwarves thing is something you specifically said that makes sense with Bo, and ofc he spent some time with them otherwise how do you explain him beating them in wrestling using boots of iron?
Same as Link. He came in, beat one, and left. He doesn't need to stay with them for years just to wrestle a guy. Further, Bo does not have the ability to assimilate knowledge by either contact or proximity. He's just an abnormally strong hillbilly with tusks.
It being common amongst people who designed the game implies that "heavy boots" is not the be end of all term to use for the boots and that actual metal labels are more common. Theres still no indication their heavier than iron other than a weight puzzle that may or may not be accurate physically and would put the boots at just over 600 pounds which tbh is not that impessive anyway if Gorons cannot move that.
Over 600 pounds, we don't know how much over. The fact that Gorons can't move it means lends credit to the fact that they're much heavier.
Heavy is the original, Iron and Lead are just localizations.
Theres no sort of "toon" or "cool" force in LoK unless theres a glitch. Your latching onto gameplay mechanics to try and claim how the game is physically broken when every game made has physics wrong with normal humans surviving more than they could possibly take or combos like Dantes or Kratos' tossing foes around when they should be shattered or flying miles due to canon strength. This is the same case, these are just gameplay mechanics.
Yeah, pretty much all games feature it to one degree or another, so there's no use in singling one out.
Ok:
'k, 55 tons.
And screampastes is in this thread earlier and I cant find mine but tbh with theirs its more than enough and better since someone elses evidence for your proof is better, we all came to 45+ tonnes, each block weghs that much and Raziel pushes two with ease, then we see later that Raziel enraged and not holding back cannot scratch Kains body using the PSI of his claws combined with his strength thus Kain can resist thousands of tonnes (multiplied pressure on a sharp tip) but then pushes Raziel away casually when he uses more force to push him down than he does to push blocks.
Raziel's claws aren't big enough to get more than a flesh wound. They don't cut very deep at all, so Kain taking it isn't really that impressive. The sounds played are more like punching, too, so it's not really showing much use of claws. Raziel doesn't use more force against Kain than he does pushing blocks. When he pushes blocks, Raziel puts his whole body into the effort. Against Kain, he used one arm and barely touched him.
The area starts falling apart and crumbling as soon as the EG starts doing anything. Considering thats just the piece under the Sarafan stronghold and not the whole of his body and the whole of his strength, thats pretty impressive. Hyrule has no defence and neither does its inhabitants from getting buried.
Then it took him longer than I thought to bury a hollow area already underground. He's a lot weaker than his size would suggest, since it took that long and barely destroyed anything. Based on his feats, the Elder God simply cannot bury Hyrule.
Hes not right and hes not mentiond how Kains teleport is poor, Kain teleports and he in the fraction of a second uses a combination of speed and reaction to defeat many foes. Theres no "fanon" unlike the whole Ganon nonsense, the lists of fanon for LoZ characters is astounding.
He mentioned fanon and I extrapolated from there. Kain's teleport is strictly close range and he needs to kill things to use it. It's never used in canon so there's nothing to suggest that this isn't true.
Its PSI on a claw edge, not blunt weight. The fact Kains body did not get scratched does not mean he should have got flying and when the final kick landed, Kain did go against the wall instantly. Ofc he was listening while holding Kain against the wall. Whats your argument? that Kain was holding his arm up there and Kain pulls it back for lulz? Kain unlike Ganon does struggle when put under pressure, tiny chains like those in OoT and TP are not a problem for Kain that Ganon struggles against 😛
Even if it was sharp, the force behind Raziel's claw should have tossed Kain, but didn't, especially since there's a fist behind it. The kick tossed him slowly and he didn't hit the wall that hard. When Raziel was listening to Kain, he wasn't using his full strength. I doubt Kain could have broken the chains.
I did not just claim I won however, I claimed several laughable reasons why I had won. Slashing people around without slicing them despite cutscenes displaying thus and regenerating meters not mentioned in canon are gameplay mechanics. I mentioned in the previous post that Kratos and Dante do the same, I think Link does as well....
Yes, claiming that "I've already won" isn't claiming that you won. No one has ever been slashed by the reaver and bean cut apart, quite simply, even in cutscenes. The meter is a mechanic, but it's the only way Kain can use his gameplay only teleport. You can choose to let him have it but keep its drawbacks, or not have it at all.
It looks more powerful than it actually is therefore its an illusion? theres little difference here between the two, your claim was that because Zant and Link are damaged by the arenas that its not an illusion, the same is with the FF spells.....I belive their both illusions, theres no way either created said effects.
It's mostly illusion, as I said. There is a huge difference between the two, you're just reaching. For some reason you seem to think that destroying the same planets repeatedly is the same as changing the environment to suit you. I didn't say that the areas damaged Link and Zant, I said that they could be interacted with in a nondamaging manner. In the ice arena, the floor is slippery. In the water, it's possible to swim.
Supernova can deal damage because it's an attack, but its animation is pure illusion. Zant actually creates things that can be interacted with. That's not just causing the senstation of anything, Zant is actually creating these things. You're just reaching for anything you can to downplay Zant.
Show me Wolf link seeing through illusions, even if you can it would be a no limit fallacy to belive he can see through all illusions, Zantsm ust simply be better because afterall Zant can fool himself (although as you said, he is mad but its still interesting to note) and correct me if I am wrong but Links not a wolf when hes fighting Zant...hes using his sword, sure he can turn into a wolf but that does not mean he canonically did to sniff out those illusions even if he could.
Quite simply, wolf Link can see through illusions. You can't fool his senses, and you're reaching now more than ever. Illusions can't even touch you, yet you seem to think they're solid things that only stupid people can get hurt by. Fooling you into thinking you've ben hurt does not explain what Zant does.
PIS in every scene? thats too much to claim, hes creating environments he can be harmed in, environments that are apprently simply copies of what Link has seen (suggesitng I am correct about Zant just copying images from Links brain) and is harmed by his own regions...all of those he can be hit by.
PIS in that he's creating areas similar to those earlier in the game. Areas that have held a Fused Shadow (so Zant has been there, too.) Zant is affected because they're really there.
Their both mental powers, its just that one completly dominates a mind while the other just fools it. Completing dominating the mind is far more powerful, are you trying to argue that someone who can dominate the mind completly would bother making illusiosn to fool it? ofc not...
Link is protected from twilight mind control, therefore he's protected from twilight internal illusions.
Anyway, the two achieve different ends. Illusions are either subtle of overwhelming, meant to keep your target from noticing what you're doing. You could dominate someone and remove their thought, or make them think what you want and let them keep thinking.
Raziel is not falliable 😆 , the guy is actually looking back on what actually happens to him and is speaking from the experiance of waking up thousands of years later. What a little pain makes you feel like eons have passed? now thats a reach and a half...Raziel cannot disintegrate after death, as we have seen and as has been stated once you become a spirit in the spectoral realm water "stands as thin as air".
And now you're claiming that Raziel is always right and never ever wrong. Guess what, Raziel says explicitly that the Elder God is not powerful enough to kill either him or Kain. You should at least know a basic part of relativity. Something unpleasant can feel like it lasts much longer than something pleasant does. It's not a reach, its just how the mind works. And now you're calling getting dunked in your explicit weakness "a little pain." Have you ever been on fire before? It can feel like ****ing years.
If hes dead then as I said, hes spectoral spirit. Its a mealstrom, I dont know how deep the lake is canonically. And I have connected the dots for you already, water is acid to vampires, acid is acid to humans, humans take a while to burn in acid and can survive acid explosure while Vampires are vastly more dense and regenerate almost instantly from deep wounds....its simply logical fact that a vampire, and as Raziel has shown us can survive a long time as their body regenerates in burning acid. I think the SR 1 or 2 manuel even specifically states that Raziel burned for a long time, far too long for water to be useful agains vampires in this matchup anyway so maybe if I can get my hands on a scanner I will scan it in and show you if you refute to simply connect to dots in vampire bio-physiology.
The fledgelings that can apparently regenerate so quickly die instantly in sunlight, as does Rahab. The vampires also die instantly in water. It's a weakness that they can't regenerate from, just like fire. It's simply logical that the weakness overcomes their regeneration, just like all the others.
And yet, Archers do not have to be only in one specific area, consdering Kain is an experianced general unlike Hyrule forces his soldiers are not going to be tossed around willy nilly, pockets of archers in areas would be an end to Zant if he got into range. You mentioned Link earlier sniping with arrows, well the whole of the Sarafan and vampire armies will be spraying the Hyrulion fields. Not sure hyule have an army sized group of archers....I have proven twilight does not simply transform any human, as the opening scene in Tp shows soldiers running into twilight only to get struck down by shadow beasts not that Zants got the range. Its more likely Kains going to just Tk or mindrape Zant tbh....or kill him in a strike, since iirc Kains TK can strikw with enough force to send armoured soldiers flying and kill humans, something the featless Zant would die to in a strike. So Kain waves his hand and Zant dies while desperatly trying to use his slow powers.
Prove that Kain is that experienced. Has he done as much before or are you simply assuming? Kain got his ass kicked by the Sarafan Lord, which does not scream tactical genius. There's no evidence of any good army tactics in LoK, and the soldiers are getting wasted by Hyrule's more powerful forces. Zant would stomp any regimant of archers he comes near. As for sniping, Link has actual equipment for that, the Sarafan don't.
You have not proven that soldiers remain untransformed in twilight. That is so ridiculously wrong that you've proved the opposite.
The soldiers that touched it got turned to shadow beasts, and the guy at 0:31 never touched it like you claim. Zant's going to rape the LoK army alone, and just kill Kain at any time. Zant has superior TK, and he can just hold Kain while he disintegrates him, or just wave a hand and transform Kain into an imp or shadow beast. Zant is faster than Kain, with stronger TK, better magic, and more skill with his teleports.
Or Ganondorf and Link under LoK control mindlessly kill their own forces while the EG buries them all.
They're immune and kill Kain while while he wastes his time trying to control them.
Thank you very much, enjoy your summer 😄
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Originally posted by Burning thought
My LoZ knowledge when concerning a lot of the apprent feats their supposed to do. I have had to dig up evidence myself, unlike you I am not lazy. I dont claim Ganon is weak, I find a video of him being impaled by a dinky sword and wailing and furthermore struggling to break small chains to realise this fact.
...and then neglect the part where he comes back to life and kills a demi-god effortlessly. 😐
We have shown you every piece of evidence multiple times. You just force yourself to forget somehow.