Classic Mangog vs. Tyrant (depowered)

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Concession accepted.

Did it ever occur to you that it wasn't turned to rubble because Tyrant kicked the crap out of Galactus too quick for that kinda of damage as a side effect?

Further, since Tyrant had gained most of his power back IF NOT MORE.. then it's totally relevant how their first battle went.. since ya know.. Tyrant was back again at that power or greater.

Depowered Tyrant doesn't go around busting galaxies as a side-effect. Why? Because he didn't do that when he was fighting Galactus at the climax of the Tyrant arc. What may or may not have happened off-panel in the far distant past when Tyrant was in his original incarnation, has nothing to do with this fight. I'm done addressing any oafish assertion to the contrary. Make a better argument.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nonsense or not, that's the excuse Galactus used to run with his tail between his legs.

But how could it be a plot device if it's in the characters powerset? Tyrant was made to be Galactus' equal not herald or servant. He drew his powers from the biosphere of every planet in the universe (and when he's greedy from power orbs he fills with his victims powers). Galactus feeds on living worlds (rich with biospheric energy). It was explained that the Power Cosmic Galactus fires off is nothing but synthesized biospheric energy.

Even Tyrant overpowering Galactus' control over his machines isn't PIS. It was explained in earlier issues that he's a technopath.

What's PIS is Galactus having no clue that Tyrant is a technopath and stupidly lashing out at him with his machines.

I don't care about Tyrant's technopathy.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't recall Tyrant evilbadguy monologuing to himself, "I hope Galactus blasts me because then I'll just go nomnomnom"

Classic Mangog was on another level of power than DP Tyrant, it took Odin too break the spell on Mangog that nearly killed him in the process, Mangog was a engine of destruction that raped through all of Asgard, dont get me wrong DpTyrant is powerful, but compare too Mangog at his peak and his abilities, Mangog takes this unless Tyrant knows some Asgardian Magic.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's a plot device because it came out of left field. I don't recall Tyrant feeding off of Surfer's blasts prior. I don't recall Galactus stating, "I cannot attack Tyrant directly" prior. I don't recall any flashbacks showing how Galactus got around this in the distant past. I don't recall Tyrant evilbadguy monologuing to himself, "I hope Galactus blasts me because then I'll just go nomnomnom" prior.

I don't care about Tyrant's technopathy.

No, it's not a plot device because Tyrant was written by two different people.

Marz - power orbs (technopathy introduced)
Lackey - power orbs/technopathy and introduced the biosphere energy thing

Not out of left field at all. Different writer had a different take on Tyrant. Lackey's interpretation makes more sense but he failed hard on the final battle with the horrible dialogue.

^ I don't see how any of this, even taking it all for granted, changes anything I've said.

BTW, I'm feeding on all of your posts, you ninny. You should've known going into this that all of your posts do nothing but serve to make my point even more valid. Harharhar.

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... what? Not a plot device. Should make sense all things considering. sneer

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't recall Tyrant evilbadguy monologuing to himself, "I hope Galactus blasts me because then I'll just go nomnomnom" prior.

I laffed

"nomnomnom"? 😐

Originally posted by leonidas
"nomnomnom"? 😐

uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QCCRO9mnEw&feature=related

uhuh

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Originally posted by the Darkone
Classic Mangog was on another level of power than DP Tyrant, it took Odin too break the spell on Mangog that nearly killed him in the process, Mangog was a engine of destruction that raped through all of Asgard, dont get me wrong DpTyrant is powerful, but compare too Mangog at his peak and his abilities, Mangog takes this unless Tyrant knows some Asgardian Magic.

Actually, in the second arc, Odin needed the power from the Twilight Well. And, after using the spell again, to de-power, not even destroy Mangog, Odin died.

He did die, to de-power Mangog.

At the time, Asgard was actually outside of time and space, in an attempt to keep Mangog from destroying the universe when he drew the Odin Sword, (which he did).

Once Thor realized that Hela could not have taken Odin's soul yet, he protected Odin's dead body and soul, until he could be revived at a later date.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Prior to learning Tyrant could even do that, he had backed down from Tyrant and let him take his herald for fear of Galaxies being destroyed. That's right backed down because of the collateral damage.

Never, that Galactus was frightened of Tyrant and his power.

Time and time again, Galactus has been written as "results-driven" and without honor or pride.

He doesn't do many things unless they benefit him and his purpose.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
shit stomps

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Mangog can just stomp around Asgard and Earth acting and big and bad while the big boys play in space.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
This is one of the most absent-minded posts you've ever responded to me with.

Depowered Tyrant doesn't go around busting galaxies as a side-effect. Why? Because he didn't do that when he was fighting Galactus at the climax of the Tyrant arc. What may or may not have happened off-panel in the far distant past when Tyrant was in his original incarnation, has nothing to do with this fight. I'm done addressing any oafish assertion to the contrary. Make a better argument. It's a plot device because it came out of left field. I don't recall Tyrant feeding off of Surfer's blasts prior. I don't recall Galactus stating, "I cannot attack Tyrant directly" prior. I don't recall any flashbacks showing how Galactus got around this in the distant past. I don't recall Tyrant evilbadguy monologuing to himself, "I hope Galactus blasts me because then I'll just go nomnomnom" prior.

I don't care about Tyrant's technopathy.

Funny enough, why didn't you correct Horrificus misrepresenting the scans he posted... and not in the right order either. Wasn't Odin only Ko'd/Dying because he used all his energy to transport Asgard so Mangog couldn't cause any more havoc and people to be killed?

Further, so let me get your stance correct here...

1. So somebody who Galactus fears... whom he prepped and feed before battling (after backing down the first time they met again) is below Mangog?

2. Do you believe Galactus was weaker when he met Tyrant the second time or do you believe Tyrant was weaker when he met Galactus the second time ( Even though he says he's more powerful than he's ever been)

3. I'll ask this question you avoided again... Does mangog have the power to destroy Galaxies?

Originally posted by Horrificus
I always read this entire interaction as Tyrant holding galaxies hostage.
That, it would have been the combination of the battle AND Tyrant leeching power for the battle, that would have ended up hurting much of Galactus' "food supply".

Never, that Galactus was frightened of Tyrant and his power.

Time and time again, Galactus has been written as "results-driven" and without honor or pride.

He doesn't do many things unless they benefit him and his purpose.

But, I must admit that your use of this term nearly had me agreeing with you! 🙄
A true "Master Stroke".

How did Mangog travel to Asgard? How has he moved between worlds and dimensions?
Can he REALLY not move through space? Being the spawn of a Thousands-Strong Galactic Empire, are you really going to jump to the conclusion that fighting and moving in space is, not only impossible and unknown to him?

First, don't think I didn't notice you misrepresnting the scans you posted. Odin was on the ground KO'd NOT because of Mangog but because he used up ALL his energy transporting Asgard correct?

Second, Can I please see all the flight and teleportation feats that Mangog has under his belt... Actually not ALL lol... can I just see some of his better ones... ?

Third, how you take it is of no concern nor does it override what was said on panel. Galactus said he feared a battle with tryant because Galaxies would be destroyed. NOT that he was holding them hostage... not that it would mess up his food supply. But that the COLLATERAL damage would destroy Galaxies. Period. Your conjecture on what else he could've meant doesn't trump canon on panel words.

Fourth, Galactus CLEARLY took Tyrant seriously and was concerned about doing battle with him. Galactus is often portrayed as very arrogant and never really being concerned about doing battle with people. He didn't prep or feed before battles with ego, in betweener, agamotto and even Odin to name some. Yet, he SPECICALLY feed on a planet and said he hadn't felt this good in a long time. Why would he do so if Tyrant was of no concern to him? Ummm he wouldn't right? Galactus can obviously sense power levels... ESPECIALLY for somebody he created in his own image. If their first battle lasted a very very long time and Galaxies were destroyend AND NOW Tyrant is back to full power or more... yes that would very much concern him since he knows how powerful Tyrant is. This again, is somebody WELL BEYOND Mangog. What do you think would happen if Galactus ran into mangog? Do you think he would be the least concerned about it? No he would shit stomp him with ease... just like Tyrant would.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Funny enough, why didn't you correct Horrificus misrepresenting the scans he posted... and not in the right order either. Wasn't Odin only Ko'd/Dying because he used all his energy to transport Asgard so Mangog couldn't cause any more havoc and people to be killed?

Further, so let me get your stance correct here...

1. So somebody who Galactus fears... whom he prepped and feed before battling (after backing down the first time they met again) is below Mangog?

2. Do you believe Galactus was weaker when he met Tyrant the second time or do you believe Tyrant was weaker when he met Galactus the second time ( Even though he says he's more powerful than he's ever been)

3. I'll ask this question you avoided again... Does mangog have the power to destroy Galaxies?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Galactus not wanting to engage depowered Tyrant early on is a complete non-feat. Your reliance on the speculation that galaxies would be destroyed if Galactus took on depowered Tyrant at that moment is pretty much nonsense considering that when depowered Tyrant finally took on Galactus at the end of the arc, galaxies weren't being destroyed. The obviousness of this fact must have eluded you.

Depowered Tyrant had the plot device ability to amp himself with Galactus' attacks. Nothing else depowered Tyrant performed on-panel by way of independent feats places him on Galactus' level. Your deflections onto his origins are noted and dismissed.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nothing else depowered Tyrant performed on-panel by way of independent feats places him on Galactus' level.

Side Note: Tyrant was able to drain a fully fed Galactus via tech. Although this may not seem like a independent feat, it shows that he can harness a substantial amount of power which imo he could acquire on his own for any purpose. Just some food for thought. 😉

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
What a graceless deflection. I'm talking to you -- which at times, feels like talking to a retarded monkey with dyslexia -- but, yes, I am talking to you. You can defend yourself and so can Horrificus. Although perhaps the former is in doubt since you're witlessly trying to get me to make your argument for you. As for your bungling ineptitude concerning depowered Tyrant, let me repeat this rebuttal post: It's not my fault you can't escape this deconstruction. You did back yourself into a corner with your witless assertions. Like I said, make a better argument.

Still can't answer questions, and instead want to use Red Herrings and Ad Hominem to try and deflect from your inability to answer them.

So again, was Galactus or Tyrant weaker then when they first met and Galaxies were destroyed as collateral damage? Simple question, that like always you refuse to answer and try and deflect from you inability to answer with amusing attacks.

The reason I asked why you didn't correct something was because you also tried to claim that Mangog wtf stomped odin.. when in fact... Odin was weakened trying to transport all of Asgard. A low showing and a weakened showing.. hardly make me believe he can beat somebody that rivals Galactus.

You keep not wanting to address nor admit, that the PLAIN PRESENTATION of the coimic MAKE IT CLEAR Tyrant is a rival to Galactus. This is shown via narration and action. BOTH shown this time and time again. So if Tyrant is a rival to Galactus.. in order for you to believe Mangog can win... YOu must believe Mangog is a rival to galactus... Is that your stance?

Further, Mangog steamrolling Thor many times and some fodder asgardians ISN'T NEAR AS IMPRESSIVE as Tyrant WITH EASE.. Owning top tier heralds like nothing.. Peak Trans/Low Skyfather with prep and amped like nothing.. and then owning a what.. Abstract... cosmic being.. whatever you call him with ease.... All that is way way greater than owning Thor and some fodder asgardieans and a weakened dying Odin.

^ You're trying to get me to make your arguments on issues you have with other posters. Go fight your own battles. You're really expecting me to break out my S-shield and leap to your aide and insert myself into a conversation I have no interest in when all you've been doing is offering me specious rhetoric and trollish diatribe?

Do I strike you as being particularly magnanimous? barker Seriously?

Finally, once again, you're trying to pretend that off-panel descriptions of Tyrant's original escapades eons ago can substitute for DP Tyrant's complete lack of galaxy-busting feats. The only posters who care about DP Tyrant's non-feats are those who can't make better arguments.

Your feebleminded deflections notwithstanding. kinda This merits repeating:

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ We're talking about depowered Tyrant. The Tyrant that showed up out of exile, beat the crap out of Heralds and confronted Galactus in modern times. We're not talking about the original incarnation of Tyrant that was mentioned in flashbacks. Get with the program. Start by taking your foot out of your mouth. Then proceed to make a better argument.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Side Note: Tyrant was able to drain a fully fed Galactus via tech. Although this may not seem like a independent feat, it shows that he can harness a substantial amount of power which imo he could acquire on his own for any purpose. Just some food for thought. 😉

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Doom-level feat. On both accounts. Food for thought.

A character usurping power from another character or source, is NOT the same as a feat of that same characters' OWN power.

Tyrants' ability to drain Galactus and Galactus-tech, has no bearing on how an interaction with Mangog would go.

And, if these showings are forced into the calculation, then so should the ability that Mangog has for powering up through hate, vengeance, etc.

Which means that, regardless of what Tyrant is tapping for combat, he would be feeding Mangog to unbeatable levels.

Let's be clear that I am addressing statements made about the 2nd Mangog story arc, of which I posted panels.-

Also, as for the statements claiming that Odin being down is due to his fatigue after transporting Asgard, let's not forget that:

1. The scene where Odin is snatched from the horse, mauled and left for dead is a separate scene from the final confrontation with Mangog.
I misrepresented nothing. That was regular, full power Odin on the ground, with EASE.

2. The fact that Odin was fatigued in the final confrontation is a combination of his exertion from shunting Asgard , along with his first beating at the hands of Mangog.

Odin knew he could not beat Mangog. It is stated over and over again. An argument that Odin would have won, if he hadn't shunted Asgard, makes no sense, since the entire reason that Odin shunted Asgard, was because he could not defeat Mangog, and the only way to keep the universe from being destroyed when Mangog draws the Odin sword, was if Asgard was beyond time, space and even the mystical realms.

That is why Odin did it in the first place. The was no defeating Mangog.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Still can't answer questions, and instead want to use Red Herrings and Ad Hominem to try and deflect from your inability to answer them.

So again, was Galactus or Tyrant weaker then when they first met and Galaxies were destroyed as collateral damage? Simple question, that like always you refuse to answer and try and deflect from you inability to answer with amusing attacks.

The reason I asked why you didn't correct something was because you also tried to claim that Mangog wtf stomped odin.. when in fact... Odin was weakened trying to transport all of Asgard. A low showing and a weakened showing.. hardly make me believe he can beat somebody that rivals Galactus.

You keep not wanting to address nor admit, that the PLAIN PRESENTATION of the coimic MAKE IT CLEAR Tyrant is a rival to Galactus. This is shown via narration and action. BOTH shown this time and time again. So if Tyrant is a rival to Galactus.. in order for you to believe Mangog can win... YOu must believe Mangog is a rival to galactus... Is that your stance?

Further, Mangog steamrolling Thor many times and some fodder asgardians ISN'T NEAR AS IMPRESSIVE as Tyrant WITH EASE.. Owning top tier heralds like nothing.. Peak Trans/Low Skyfather with prep and amped like nothing.. and then owning a what.. Abstract... cosmic being.. whatever you call him with ease.... All that is way way greater than owning Thor and some fodder asgardieans and a weakened dying Odin.

Go waaay back, and try reading some of the things you were saying.
You disagreed with 90% of the claims I made, and then when I showed them on panel, you just ignored them and grasped for something else.

Do you realize that you are doing this, or is it just a bad habit you have picked up while debating in here?

Let it go, man. Let it go. 😕