Classic Mangog vs. Tyrant (depowered)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't recall Tyrant punking Galactus before he was revealed to be conveniently capable of absorbing Galactus' attacks........

DP Tyrant <<<< Galactus.

Seriously? 😠

Originally posted by Horrificus
OK. So, for the record, you are stating that Tyrant is always at the level of Galactus.
You are stating that this is his normal power level.
You are saying that Tyrant, siphoning Galactus power to attain that level of power is a totally different feat from Doom draining the Beyonder or Galactus, for examples.

So, it's YOU who aren't getting it. We are trying to establish a "base power level" for Tyrant. And, you are using an instance where a planned sabotage/drain was used to attain a level of power that was not his natural state.

At this moment, is his power source the same as when he confronted Galactus? And, if not, why is he still being described as the power source is the same?

Tyrant was weakened right before his confrontation with Galactus because of Galactus feeding. This was right on panel so you acting as if he was at full strength isn't true.

Tyrant was already powerful enough to run off Galactus prior to the bse energy. He's far mopre powerful than Mangog or Odin.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You're trying to get me to make your arguments on issues you have with other posters. Go fight your own battles. You're really expecting me to break out my S-shield and leap to your aide and insert myself into a conversation I have no interest in when all you've been doing is offering me specious rhetoric and trollish diatribe?

Do I strike you as being particularly magnanimous? barker Seriously?

Finally, once again, you're trying to pretend that off-panel descriptions of Tyrant's original escapades eons ago can substitute for DP Tyrant's complete lack of galaxy-busting feats. The only posters who care about DP Tyrant's non-feats are those who can't make better arguments.

Your feebleminded deflections notwithstanding. kinda This merits repeating:

I'm not in the least asking you to make my argument for me against another poster... that is a complete joke. What I AM calling you out on, is accepting his scans as true and using it as evidence on why Mangog beats Tyrant. You even said... the way Mangog wtf pwned Odin... when in fact, that isn't what happen. Is basic reading comprehension gettnig that difficult for you these days buddy?

Let me ask it another way... I'm sure you will avoid this once again... IS IT POSSIBLE THAT GALAXIES WOULD BE DESTROYED AS COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN A FIGHT BETWEEN GALACTUS AND TYRANT? Is it possible that Galactus OWN WORDS are true?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
First, don't think I didn't notice you misrepresnting the scans you posted. Odin was on the ground KO'd NOT because of Mangog but because he used up ALL his energy transporting Asgard correct?

Second, Can I please see all the flight and teleportation feats that Mangog has under his belt... Actually not ALL lol... can I just see some of his better ones... ?

Third, how you take it is of no concern nor does it override what was said on panel. Galactus said he feared a battle with tryant because Galaxies would be destroyed. NOT that he was holding them hostage... not that it would mess up his food supply. But that the COLLATERAL damage would destroy Galaxies. Period. Your conjecture on what else he could've meant doesn't trump canon on panel words.

Fourth, Galactus CLEARLY took Tyrant seriously and was concerned about doing battle with him. Galactus is often portrayed as very arrogant and never really being concerned about doing battle with people. He didn't prep or feed before battles with ego, in betweener, agamotto and even Odin to name some. Yet, he SPECICALLY feed on a planet and said he hadn't felt this good in a long time. Why would he do so if Tyrant was of no concern to him? Ummm he wouldn't right? Galactus can obviously sense power levels... ESPECIALLY for somebody he created in his own image. If their first battle lasted a very very long time and Galaxies were destroyend AND NOW Tyrant is back to full power or more... yes that would very much concern him since he knows how powerful Tyrant is. This again, is somebody WELL BEYOND Mangog. What do you think would happen if Galactus ran into mangog? Do you think he would be the least concerned about it? No he would shit stomp him with ease... just like Tyrant would.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Every time I crush your arguments, you just ignore it, and move on to something else. 😆
You still haven't even been honest enough to acknowledge when I deflate your statements. Not once.

Go waaay back, and try reading some of the things you were saying.
You disagreed with 90% of the claims I made, and then when I showed them on panel, you just ignored them and grasped for something else.

Do you realize that you are doing this, or is it just a bad habit you have picked up while debating in here?

Let it go, man. Let it go. 😕

Did you forget to answer THIS POST ABOVE, something you JUST accused me of doing LOL. Can you please remove your head from your ass so we can have a discussion. Once you get done answering and addressing the post I made to you.... lets go over a few more things shall we...

1. All this boasting about trashing my post and argument... can I please see these posts where you claim do so. I know exactly how this whole argument has gone, and trash my posts you have not. So please, provide evidence to back up this claim.

2. Second, you DID misrespresnt the scans and you know... DID YOU MENTION THAT ODIN WAS WEAKENED AND NEAR DYING FROM TRANSPORTING ASGARD? DID YOU MENTION THIS OR CONVEINENTLY LEAVE THAT PART OFF? So actually, I was spot on in calling you out on your bs

3. Lastly, would Galactus be the least bit concerned about facing mangog and can mangog destroy Galaxies as collateral damage?

So once you get done addressing my first post that destroys your theories.. address these questions kid.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you forget to answer THIS POST ABOVE, something you JUST accused me of doing LOL. Can you please remove your head from your ass so we can have a discussion. Once you get done answering and addressing the post I made to you.... lets go over a few more things shall we...

1. All this boasting about trashing my post and argument... can I please see these posts where you claim do so. I know exactly how this whole argument has gone, and trash my posts you have not. So please, provide evidence to back up this claim.

Then I gave scans of it happening. Then you narrowed your focus to Odin not being at full power. I explained that the scan I provided, did in fact show a full power Odin being mauled, and even the later beating Odin received, while he was underpowered, was a fatigue resulting partially from Mangog's previous beating. Odin has stated, several times that Mangog can not be defeated, Odin can't defeat him, he is an unbeatable foe, etc.

Here is you responding to a post by Quanchi112, acting as if I am totally wrong and you are somehow "in the know".doh

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Horrificus also believe Mangog has defeated Odin and all of Asgard with utter ease and without a mark on him... yet none of us ever remember this happening. Mangog has ZERO chance to beat Tyrant. This fight would look like Thanos vs. Tyrant.

Yeah, ok. You taught me a lesson. I'm just talkin "funny talk".

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm not in the least asking you to make my argument for me against another poster... that is a complete joke. What I AM calling you out on, is accepting his scans as true and using it as evidence on why Mangog beats Tyrant. You even said... the way Mangog wtf pwned Odin... when in fact, that isn't what happen. Is basic reading comprehension gettnig that difficult for you these days buddy?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me ask it another way... I'm sure you will avoid this once again... IS IT POSSIBLE THAT GALAXIES WOULD BE DESTROYED AS COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN A FIGHT BETWEEN GALACTUS AND TYRANT? Is it possible that Galactus OWN WORDS are true?

Not only that, but you tried to move the goalposts again. You argued that DP Tyrant must be superior to Mangog because Galactus backed down from a fight that would have caused galaxy-busting collateral damage. I rebutted that idiocy by referring you to the actual fight at the climax of the Tyrant arc between Galactus and DP Tyrant that, surprise!!, did not bust galaxies. You don't get to turn around and now demand that I disprove the possibility of a character's statement being true and rest your laurels simply because it has not been proved 100% false with complete certainty.

I rebutted your assertion for the flimsy malformed statement that it was: a baseless one. I don't have to do anything more than that. It's up to you to support your baseless statement with real on-panel evidence or abandon it. You haven't offered me anything else worth considering other than the mewling appeal, "B-b-b-but is it possible? Somehow... that they wasn't lyin... and m-m-m-maybe galaxies could have been destwoyed?" Give me a break.

I'm done holding your hand through this deconstruction. I shouldn't have to explain why your semantics and rhetoric are such a disappointment. But considering that you're essentially begging me to make your arguments for you on issues you have with another poster, I felt compelled to educate you here in no unclear terms. Your repeated mistakes and fallacies do not remedy your arguments. Nor do thy rebut mine. Consider yourself informed. Now go make a better argument.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't recall Tyrant punking Galactus before he was revealed to be conveniently capable of absorbing Galactus' attacks. Either way, Doom's taken Galactus' power twice. DP Tyrant better make a comeback to tie the score here.

Beating on Thanos like a b1tch is impressive. One-shotting Thanos is more impressive. Yeah. It's pretty obvious:

DP Tyrant <<<< Galactus.

Jumping to #3, will come back to #2:

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

3. Lastly, would Galactus be the least bit concerned about facing mangog and can mangog destroy Galaxies as collateral damage?

I don't agree with your interpretation of the confrontation.

a. I see that confrontation as Tyrant using the power of Galactus and the method of Galactus' power collection as a threat to Galactus and the Galaxies that he needs to survive. Galaxies that he, as a fundamental part of the universe, is linked to.
Remember, Galactus has been written in a manner that suggest he knows he has a higher role to play in the structure of the universe and, besides his own hunger and desires, this is one of the few things that motivates him.
In his own way, Galactus has been written as a "universal protector" in many ways. This would fit with the conclusion of their conflict.
So, I repeat, Tyrant holding hostages (galaxies under threat) was what Galactus feared. It is not the same as the fear of being defeated in combat.

b. It is never stated by narration or Galactus that he was fearing for himself for threat of physical harm from Tyrant.

c. I would imagine that it is possible, since:
- 1. His power-level is between skyfather and abstract entity.
- 2. He is a composite being made of an incredibly powerful empire that meant "death to thousands of galaxies".
- 3. Can tap into a potentially unlimited source of power.

Originally posted by Horrificus
From the start, you commented on how ludicrous it was that I said Mangog had defeated all of Asgard, Thor, Odin, etc.

Then I gave scans of it happening. Then you narrowed your focus to Odin not being at full power. I explained that the scan I provided, did in fact show a full power Odin being mauled, and even the later beating Odin received, while he was underpowered, was a fatigue resulting partially from Mangog's previous beating. Odin has stated, several times that Mangog can not be defeated, Odin can't defeat him, he is an unbeatable foe, etc.

Here is you responding to a post by Quanchi112, acting as if I am totally wrong and you are somehow "in the know".doh

Yeah, ok. You taught me a lesson. I'm just talkin "funny talk".

Did you yet again, skip over my first post that I even quoted that you never bothered to answer? Seems like you did Do I need to quote it again?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Read the comics at issue before spouting off nonsensical garbage like this. If you had (and it's painfully obvious you haven't), you wouldn't be so butthurt over my statement, "Classic Mangog was strong and physical enough to task Odin and roflstomp Thor like a flea." Stop trying to get me to make your own arguments for you. Read the comics. Go fight your own battles. More importantly, go read the comics before you embarrass yourself further. Are you really trying to draw me into another semantics riggamorole? Where the absolute exclusion of all other possibilities must be proven in order for people to properly perceive the plainly obvious? More argumentum ad ignorantiam from you? Again? Suffice it to say, when you start pinning all your dashed arguments and dreams on a logical fallacy, you're done contributing anything constructive to the debate.

Not only that, but you tried to move the goalposts again. You argued that DP Tyrant must be superior to Mangog because Galactus backed down from a fight that would have caused galaxy-busting collateral damage. I rebutted that idiocy by referring you to the actual fight at the climax of the Tyrant arc between Galactus and DP Tyrant that, surprise!!, did not bust galaxies. You don't get to turn around and now demand that I disprove the possibility of a character's statement being true and rest your laurels simply because it has not been proved 100% false with complete certainty.

I rebutted your assertion for the flimsy malformed statement that it was: a baseless one. I don't have to do anything more than that. It's up to you to support your baseless statement with real on-panel evidence or abandon it. You haven't offered me anything else worth considering other than the mewling appeal, "B-b-b-but is it possible? Somehow... that they wasn't lyin... and m-m-m-maybe galaxies could have been destwoyed?" Give me a break.

I'm done holding your hand through this deconstruction. I shouldn't have to explain why your semantics and rhetoric are such a disappointment. But considering that you're essentially begging me to make your arguments for you on issues you have with another poster, I felt compelled to educate you here in no unclear terms. Your repeated mistakes and fallacies do not remedy your arguments. Nor do thy rebut mine. Consider yourself informed. Now go make a better argument.

LOL ALL THAT and you still can't answer... You use their final battle as proof that no Galaxies were destroyed... HMMMMMM ... Well lets see a possible and logically explanation why... I will ask another question which points to why that WAS SO.. NOT that tyrant and galactus didn't have the power to do so....

DId their second encounter last NEARLY as long as their first encounter? Hmmmm could that possibly be the reason why it didn't happen? Galactus knows HIS POWER and TYRANT POWER (ya know being his maker and all and being in touch with the universe) better than you correct? So, if on panel evidence by marvel states it, your nuh uh's I didn't happen trump that... So, 10 people can claim Galactus will destroy Galaxies in a fight with.. ummm... Zom... Yet Galactus one shots Zom thus there isn't a prolonged fight and galaxies destroyed.. thus.. those 10 on panel confirmations of what their power can do are thus not true because Galactus wtf pwned zom in one shot? Flawless logic.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Jumping to #3, will come back to #2:

I don't agree with your interpretation of the confrontation.

a. I see that confrontation as Tyrant using the power of Galactus and the method of Galactus' power collection as a threat to Galactus and the Galaxies that he needs to survive. Galaxies that he, as a fundamental part of the universe, is linked to.
Remember, Galactus has been written in a manner that suggest he knows he has a higher role to play in the structure of the universe and, besides his own hunger and desires, this is one of the few things that motivates him.
In his own way, Galactus has been written as a "universal protector" in many ways. This would fit with the conclusion of their conflict.
So, I repeat, Tyrant holding hostages (galaxies under threat) was what Galactus feared. It is not the same as the fear of being defeated in combat.

b. It is never stated by narration or Galactus that he was fearing for himself for threat of physical harm from Tyrant.

c. I would imagine that it is possible, since:
- 1. His power-level is between skyfather and abstract entity.
- 2. He is a composite being made of an incredibly powerful empire that meant "death to thousands of galaxies".
- 3. Can tap into a potentially unlimited source of power.

THe problem is with you "view" is that it isn't supported by on panel evidence. Galactus FLAT OUT SAYS why he's concerned.. It isn't because of the Galaxies Tyrant controls.. or losing worlds to feed... He is concerned about THEIR BATTLE destroying Galaxies.. PERIOD. Your conjecture is.. well.. just that conjecture. So I ask again, CAN MANGOG DESTROY GALAXIES as Collateral damage? Next, would magog be concerned a rival or peer to Galactus as Tyrant was considered by Galactus and EVEN SURFER who says.... I must get there "before they both destroy one another" Surfer felt Tyrant's power and knows his orgins and knows G very well. He even felt it would be an epic battle. Yet, you're honestly trying to compare mangog with a rival of Galactus LMAO. Now try and answer my first post that you didn't bother ansering that I quoted again.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you yet again, skip over my first post that I even quoted that you never bothered to answer? Seems like you did Do I need to quote it again?

I think I have responded to both of your "first posts":

If it is this one, I have already responded. Go back and find it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
1. All this boasting about trashing my post and argument... can I please see these posts where you claim do so. I know exactly how this whole argument has gone, and trash my posts you have not. So please, provide evidence to back up this claim.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
First, don't think I didn't notice you misrepresnting the scans you posted. Odin was on the ground KO'd NOT because of Mangog but because he used up ALL his energy transporting Asgard correct

If you are referring to "Unconscious Odin" in the posted panels and how you said I misrepresented them, yes, I already HAVE responded.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Then I gave scans of it happening. Then you narrowed your focus to Odin not being at full power. I explained that the scan I provided, did in fact show a full power Odin being mauled, and even the later beating Odin received, while he was underpowered, was a fatigue resulting partially from Mangog's previous beating.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Let's be clear that I am addressing statements made about the 2nd Mangog story arc, of which I posted panels.-

Also, as for the statements claiming that Odin being down is due to his fatigue after transporting Asgard, let's not forget that:

1. The scene where Odin is snatched from the horse, mauled and left for dead is a separate scene from the final confrontation with Mangog.
I misrepresented nothing. That was regular, full power Odin on the ground, with EASE.

2. The fact that Odin was fatigued in the final confrontation is a combination of his exertion from shunting Asgard , along with his first beating at the hands of Mangog.

Odin knew he could not beat Mangog. It is stated over and over again. An argument that Odin would have won, if he hadn't shunted Asgard, makes no sense, since the entire reason that Odin shunted Asgard, was because he could not defeat Mangog, and the only way to keep the universe from being destroyed when Mangog draws the Odin sword, was if Asgard was beyond time, space and even the mystical realms.

That is why Odin did it in the first place. The was no defeating Mangog.

Yeah i honestly think people have been wanking Tyrant not based on feats but on statements that amounts to shit and a fight with Galactus that is by all means a wash

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
THe problem is with you "view" is that it isn't supported by on panel evidence. Galactus FLAT OUT SAYS why he's concerned.. It isn't because of the Galaxies Tyrant controls.. or losing worlds to feed... He is concerned about THEIR BATTLE destroying Galaxies.. PERIOD. Your conjecture is.. well.. just that conjecture. So I ask again, CAN MANGOG DESTROY GALAXIES as Collateral damage? Next, would magog be concerned a rival or peer to Galactus as Tyrant was considered by Galactus and EVEN SURFER who says.... I must get there "before they both destroy one another" Surfer felt Tyrant's power and knows his orgins and knows G very well. He even felt it would be an epic battle. Yet, you're honestly trying to compare mangog with a rival of Galactus LMAO. Now try and answer my first post that you didn't bother ansering that I quoted again.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I don't recall Tyrant punking Galactus before he was revealed to be conveniently capable of absorbing Galactus' attacks. Either way, Doom's taken Galactus' power twice. DP Tyrant better make a comeback to tie the score here.

Beating on Thanos like a b1tch is impressive. One-shotting Thanos is more impressive. Yeah. It's pretty obvious:

DP Tyrant <<<< Galactus.

Originally posted by iceman24567
👆

What's the thumbs up for? People either have selective amnesia or don't know anything about "DP" Tyrant.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=punked

6. punked

(Verb)To incite or challenge another through verbal or physical behavior in order to humiliate or intimidate.

Originally posted by zopzop

Galactus got punked and backed down. Face it people, "DP" Tyrant wins.

The thumbs up was because by feat Galactus >>> Tyrant. Being punked meant shit when you consider them facing off didn't do shit Galactus was scared of destroying galaxies fighting him was he not? No Galaxies were destroyed 😐. Either way you look at it i think Classic Mangog was more impressive i give him the edge

First, don't think I didn't notice you misrepresnting the scans you posted. Odin was on the ground KO'd NOT because of Mangog but because he used up ALL his energy transporting Asgard correct?

Second, Can I please see all the flight and teleportation feats that Mangog has under his belt... Actually not ALL lol... can I just see some of his better ones... ?

Third, how you take it is of no concern nor does it override what was said on panel. Galactus said he feared a battle with tryant because Galaxies would be destroyed. NOT that he was holding them hostage... not that it would mess up his food supply. But that the COLLATERAL damage would destroy Galaxies. Period. Your conjecture on what else he could've meant doesn't trump canon on panel words.

Fourth, Galactus CLEARLY took Tyrant seriously and was concerned about doing battle with him. Galactus is often portrayed as very arrogant and never really being concerned about doing battle with people. He didn't prep or feed before battles with ego, in betweener, agamotto and even Odin to name some. Yet, he SPECICALLY feed on a planet and said he hadn't felt this good in a long time. Why would he do so if Tyrant was of no concern to him? Ummm he wouldn't right? Galactus can obviously sense power levels... ESPECIALLY for somebody he created in his own image. If their first battle lasted a very very long time and Galaxies were destroyend AND NOW Tyrant is back to full power or more... yes that would very much concern him since he knows how powerful Tyrant is. This again, is somebody WELL BEYOND Mangog. What do you think would happen if Galactus ran into mangog? Do you think he would be the least concerned about it? No he would shit stomp him with ease... just like Tyrant would.

^^^ This is the post I'm referring to...that you DIDN'T ANSWER..

You also claimed to have answered the question no. 2 which you said you would get back to but conveinently DIDN'T. So I will ask and bold... DID YOU STATE IN YOUR SCANS THAT ODIN WAS WEAKENED AND DYING BECAUSE OF EXPENDING SO MUCH ENERGY TRANSPORTING ASGARD. DID YOU MENTION THIS WHEN YOU SHOWED YOUR SCANS? Simple.

Originally posted by iceman24567
The thumbs up was because by feat Galactus >>> Tyrant. Being punked meant shit when you consider them facing off didn't do shit Galactus was scared of destroying galaxies fighting him was he not? No Galaxies were destroyed 😐. Either way you look at it i think Classic Mangog was more impressive i give him the edge

Tyrant is a PEER to Galactus.. he was made in his own image... Galactus was fearful of battle with Tyrant because Galaxies would be destroyed. You think Galactus would prep and feed for Mangog.. some creature walking around on earth/asgard? Are you joking me.. He would laugh at the thought of it even being a battle. Mangog is not a peer to Galactus... Tyrant is.. Period. You think trashing some no name asgardians and Thor and beating a weakened Odin are greater feats than.. trashing a team of BRB, Glads, Surfer, Gany, JOH etc etc.. While also punking Terrax and Morg like weak feebs... That beating a prepped and amped low skyfather in Thanos and then punking an Abstract in Galactus? Are you joking... You are more impressed with mangog lol

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Tyrant is a PEER to Galactus.. he was made in his own image... Galactus was fearful of battle with Tyrant because Galaxies would be destroyed. You think Galactus would prep and feed for Mangog.. some creature walking around on earth/asgard? Are you joking me.. He would laugh at the thought of it even being a battle. Mangog is not a peer to Galactus... Tyrant is.. Period. You think trashing some no name asgardians and Thor and beating a weakened Odin are greater feats than.. trashing a team of BRB, Glads, Surfer, Gany, JOH etc etc.. While also punking Terrax and Morg like weak feebs... That beating a prepped and amped low skyfather in Thanos and then punking an Abstract in Galactus? Are you joking... You are more impressed with mangog lol

Originally posted by zopzop
What's the thumbs up for? People either have selective amnesia or don't know anything about "DP" Tyrant.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=punked

Galactus got punked and backed down. Face it people, "DP" Tyrant wins.

Either way, getting that cutting dig in on Galactus by snatching Morg is quite diminished for two reasons you seem to be ignoring: (i) DP Tyrant was the one who initially backed down and agreed to back off; and (ii) Galactus basically traded away Morg for Surfer and everyone else -- a trade some would call wise considering that Morg betrayed DP Tyrant at the end.

Yes, DP Tyrant pissed Galactus off. Yes, in the end, Galactus accepted the deal's terms begrudgingly and chose not to confront DP Tyrant right then and there. It's a non-feat that is mostly irrelevant as to DP Tyrant's own independent power levels and his place in the hierarchy of comics characters.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Tyrant is not a peer to Galactus he was made in his own image but still weaker and he obviously lacks the feats. Galaxies were not destroyed when they faced. Laugh huh? Galactus would laugh at Zeus and Odin too he has a superiority complex when it comes to beings such as them look how that turned out flash koed by Zeus in chaos war and also flah koed by Odin recently. Tyrant isn't a peer to Galactus by feats he's still below him or are yo saying Odin couldn't shit stomp a bunch of heralds? Are you saying all their feats considered Tyrant = Galactus >> Odin = Zeus? Tyrants only feat that would put him on the level of high end skyfathers is a wash 😬