Viking life

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
trace back where? what evidence do you have to say that?

Ok look to be quite honest don't have it on me. Its just that I discussed this on various forums they had there proof there and would have to get it. Im not in contact with these people anymore. If I have time I'll try to get back to you.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow

how old are you, where are you from and what lvl of eductaion do you have?

i only ask so i know where you are coming from and try to see it from you r point of view

None of your business. Look im going to have to concede on this Indian connection until I get more data. However I don't like getting facepalmed by a guy who has talked nonsense for the whole of this thread.

Originally posted by Deadline
What I said to you is the whole of the thread and that its just one argument I made. You obvously didn't look through the thread properly because I talked about alot of other stuff.

I have no problem about you thinking that the Vikings didn't use chi or there isn't a connection but to then insuinate that I reguraly talk crap is gross generlisation.

i've never made that claim

I asked if you had evidence to back up something you said, in a sort of tongue and cheek manner

I care little about your other claims, because those aren't the topic at hand. Get a little less defensive. If you want to participate in discussion, be prepared to back what you claim. Nobody is forcing you to come here and share your opinions, grow a thicker skin and show us how wrong we are to question you.

Originally posted by inimalist
i've never made that claim

I asked if you had evidence to back up something you said, in a sort of tongue and cheek manner

I care little about your other claims, because those aren't the topic at hand. Get a little less defensive. If you want to participate in discussion, be prepared to back what you claim. Nobody is forcing you to come here and share your opinions, grow a thicker skin and show us how wrong we are to question you.

Ok fair enough. The reason why I think there is a connection between the Vikings and Indians is because:

1. They can be traced back there
2. Swastika used to be a symbol connected to Thor.
3. Theres is a specfic Indian mediation posture where you lie on your back called the death posture. We see a beserker called Little Bear doing something very similar to this.
4. They have similar gods. There is one god with an axe who has said to have slayed a serpent. Thor was also associated with an axe and his nemsis was a serpent.
5. There is a statue of a god in India that looks almost exactly like a Celtic god. Sue they weren't Vikings but as far as I know they had similar migrating patterns.

Got to say though number 1 and 2 are looking kinda dodgey now though. eg lots of people had swastika.

anyways vikings were an exploring type ppl who also farmed, raped and pillaged..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
anyways vikings were an exploring type ppl who also farmed, raped and pillaged..

Again some of them were explorers...

agreed.. just like not all of them raped and pillaged.. it is a historical generalization to help teach history and cultures but every facet is looked at with equal weight.

just like not all Mongolians were nomadic warring ppl... they also had herders and whatnot..

just like not all port cities were a sea fairing ppl.. but it doesnt negate the teaching and what we know of a ppl in a historical context

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
agreed.. just like not all of them raped and pillaged.. it is a historical generalization to help teach history and cultures but every facet is looked at with equal weight.

just like not all Mongolians were nomadic warring ppl... they also had herders and whatnot..

just like not all port cities were a sea fairing ppl.. but it doesnt negate the teaching and what we know of a ppl in a historical context

👆 Hey we agreed on something. 🙂

so i hope your done with your semantic arguments.
just to spite you..

just like vikings are not truly warriors nor fit the context of what a true warrior is but the title is used anyways.. unlike a samurai whose warrior title is earned

Originally posted by Deadline
Ok fair enough. The reason why I think there is a connection between the Vikings and Indians is because:

1. They can be traced back there
2. Swastika used to be a symbol connected to Thor.
3. Theres is a specfic Indian mediation posture where you lie on your back called the death posture. We see a beserker called Little Bear doing something very similar to this.
4. They have similar gods. There is one god with an axe who has said to have slayed a serpent. Thor was also associated with an axe and his nemsis was a serpent.
5. There is a statue of a god in India that looks almost exactly like a Celtic god. Sue they weren't Vikings but as far as I know they had similar migrating patterns.

Got to say though number 1 and 2 are looking kinda dodgey now though. eg lots of people had swastika.

fair enough... I don't see that as overly convincing, but it is something

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
so i hope your done with your semantic arguments.
just to spite you..

just like vikings are not truly warriors nor fit the context of what a true warrior is but the title is used anyways.. unlike a samurai whose warrior title is earned

I also concede on the Indian connection giving it further thought theres not enough proof and it could be coincedence. However if I did more reasearch I bet I could find it. I used to discuss this shit alot on heathen forums I just didn't record the info and took it for granted.

However meditation is not exclusive to asian and indian culture it was universal. Its possible that certain Viking warriors had their own meditation techniques that they used in battle like shoalin monks did.

Originally posted by Deadline
However meditation is not exclusive to asian and indian culture it was universal. Its possible that certain Viking warriors had their own meditation techniques that they used in battle like shoalin monks did.

see, this was my thinking too

people have always been spiritual and intellignet, and similar things are going to give people mystical experiences all over the world.

Its almost selling the Vikings short to think their elite warriors couldn't come up with excellent ways to concentrate and focus their body for combat.

for your shame in losing and conceding the argument you must now commit Seppuku b/c you did not concede in time you will not be given any assistance in your final moments..

either way

a statue and a swastika is not enough nor is having a similar myth involving a snake.. many and i mean many have serpent myths, floods end of days etc etc.. it just isnt enough,.. these myths span all the continents

also i already told you that they could go into medative states i didnt disagree with you at all with that just your reasoning and origin of it..

"use your reason" 300 quote

Originally posted by inimalist
see, this was my thinking too

people have always been spiritual and intellignet, and similar things are going to give people mystical experiences all over the world.

Its almost selling the Vikings short to think their elite warriors couldn't come up with excellent ways to concentrate and focus their body for combat.

Eventhough I might have used the expression "picked up" I don't think I really saw it like that. Its like saying Canadians aren't smart enough to make their own language because they speak English and French. You get the point. 😉

Thing is as far as I can remember people from India have actually had a big influence on the development of martial arts and this is obvoulsy partially due to the fact India isn't too far from China. With the Vikings they were long gone. They didn't pick anything up its just they happened to live there. I get some more proof which may help but im going to put it in a post to Wild Shadow.

Most cultures developed some form of martial arts, it's not an Asian thing, dude.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
for your shame in losing and conceding the argument you must now commit Seppuku b/c you did not concede in time you will not be given any assistance in your final moments..

either way

a statue and a swastika is not enough nor is having a similar myth involving a snake.. many and i mean many have serpent myths, floods end of days etc etc.. it just isnt enough,.. these myths span all the continents

also i already told you that they could go into medative states i didnt disagree with you at all with that just your reasoning and origin of it..

"use your reason" 300 quote

Actually I may have to unconcede. Thing is I always thought the idea that Vikings being traced back to India was a fact and something I've taken for granted. I still don't have proof of specifc migration patterns but as far as I know this is one of the reasons why they are classified as Indo-Europeans.

http://www.answers.com/topic/indo-european

Indo-European, the term used to refer to the family of languages which were originally spoken throughout much of Eurasia west of the Urals and also in the Indian subcontinent, with an outlying branch in Chinese Turkestan. The language from which all these languages are descended, called proto-Indo-European, can be reconstructed by historical and comparative linguistics. It was probably spoken in the Pontic-Caspian region of southern Russia in about 3000 BC. The earliest attested subgroups of the Indo-European language family are Anatolian, Hellenic, Indic, and Iranian. The other major subgroups are: Celtic, Italic, Germanic, Baltic, Slavonic, Albanian, Armenian, and Tocharian.

Note that some of the Germanic people became Vikings by migrating to Scandanvia. Heres the thing as far as I know Africans are not classifed as Indo-Africans and the American Indians are not classified as Indo-Americans. The reason why Vikings come under the classification of Indo-European is because they have a link with India.

Now take a look at this scan.

Shot at 2010-05-25

This is taken from one of my books about the Celts. The Celts come under the classification of Indo-European and according to that scan there are many examples of Celtic gods in buddhist like posture. Now im pretty sure I've seen lots of Hindu statues, drawing of figures in that posture. Can you give me examples of American Indian, African or even Roman figures like that?

Eventhough thats not a Viking god the Celts are Indo-European and there gods are very similar to the Vikings. Theres a thunder god called Perun who has a hammer. How many other thunder gods are there with hammers? The only other one is a Finnish god but the Finns lived right next door to the Vikings. Also according to H.R.Ellis Davidson there is an example of Celtic gods at the end of time fighting on a battlefield were some of them die. You don't have this in Greek mythology, Roman mythology, Egyptian mythology and as far as I know Chinese or Japenese. The Celts were alot like the Vikings and if they picked up stuff from India then the Vikings could have as well.

Originally posted by Robtard
Most cultures developed some form of martial arts, it's not an Asian thing, dude.

I know.

sigh... the Russians do have a connection to asia due to their location.. i dont deny that so them having a shared ancestry isnt that unforeseen but claiming they retain a connection to them even a couple thousands yrs back is not the same as claiming they are part of those ppl.. like i said you might as well claim that native americans are also asians and have a connection to them due to the migration over the land bridge of Pangaea..

we english speaking ppl share a root language with various nations and ppl as well.. from germans, russians, english, romans, spain and even middle eastern countries like the world orange did not originate in the english language but middle eastern langauge we also have hebrew and greek words thrown in out every day speech that is english

does that mean we are all connecte dor originated from all those ppl?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sigh... the Russians do have a connection to asia due to their location.. i dont deny that so them having a shared ancestry isnt that unforeseen but claiming they retain a connection to them even a couple yrs back is not the same as claiming they are part of those ppl.. like i said you might as well claim that native americans are also asians and have a connection to them due to the migration over the land bridge of Pangaea..

No you don't understand the point im making. The reason why the Vikings have the term Indo-European is because they have a stronger connection. Yes you can argue that everybody can be traced somewhere but certain people have 'Indo' In front of it because of their link.

Hell the American Indians can be traced back to India but please give me example of American Indian meditation practices that are the same as the Indians.

what exactly is the indian mediation posture?

the only ones i know are sitting upright position palms on knees or clasp in front of you and laying down or swaying.. if you can be specific i am sure i can find various shamans, priest and monks who do the exact same thing in all parts of the world including native americans,,

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
what exactly is the indian mediation posture?

the only ones i know are sitting upright position palms on knees or clasp in front of you and laying down or swaying.. if you can be specific i am sure i can find various shamans, priest and monks who do the exact same thing in all parts of the world including native americans,,

Bruv did you read this scan.

The posture of the god is in a buddhist meditating posture. According to the scan its similar to other representations of other Hindu gods and there are many examples.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
what exactly is the indian mediation posture?

the only ones i know are sitting upright position palms on knees or clasp in front of you and laying down or swaying.. if you can be specific i am sure i can find various shamans, priest and monks who do the exact same thing in all parts of the world including native americans,,

Then there's always the chance that two cultures came up with similar ideas, yet completely independant of each other.

I've honest never heard of Vikings doing some mass meditation as a norm. I know the berserks would work themselves into a craze before battle, but that was likely a combo of mead and insanity.