Originally posted by Robtard
That one makes sense.
Bare in mind that the Vikings were Indo-Europeans and can be traced back to India. Chinese martial arts has been strongly influenced by India as well.
People stereotype the Vikings as being just brutes but they had a strong mystical background and disciplines as well. They may not have actually have had superpowers but I do belive some of them could do extraodinary things.
Its been also shown that some stage magacians can mess with peoples minds. I think in one Norse Saga there is an example of witch doing just that.
Originally posted by Deadline
Bare in mind that the Vikings were Indo-Europeans and can be traced back to India. Chinese martial arts has been strongly influenced by India as well.People stereotype the Vikings as being just brutes but they had a strong mystical background and disciplines as well. They may not have actually have had superpowers but I do belive some of them could do extraodinary things.
Its been also shown that some stage magacians can mess with peoples minds. I think in one Norse Saga there is an example of witch doing just that.
If you go back far enough, you can trace them to Africa. Still doesn't mean they were the Chi masters of China.
Originally posted by Robtard
If you go back far enough, you can trace them to Africa. Still doesn't mean they were the Chi masters of China.
No no im not saying that. Im saying they would have taken some aspects of Indian mysticism. same as the Chinese did. There is one specific example of a beserker practicing meditation. In India they call it the death posture.
The difference I can't see any examples of specfic African meditation which the Vikings were doing.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
most ppl dont know this but vikings were really a mix of oriental ppl and Nordics which is why they knew chi..
LOL the Vikings are Indo-Europeans and Chinese martial arts is strongly influenced by India. 😆
If you actually did some research you would know some aspects of the Viking religon can be traced back to India. You know READ instead of just talking out of your arse.
Originally posted by Deadline
No you haven't because it doesn't mean its illogical for somebody of my experience to look into it. Its just illogical for you.
Sorry, that's not how logic works. Your line of thinking simply doesn't work at all.
Watch:
First assumption
The iron shirt technique exists (I think we all accept this)
Second assumption
You can use it to resist blunt trauma through training (again everyone accepts this)
Conclusion
A person who is really good at Iron Shirt can, during a fight, stop a sword with his chest and walk away.
The assumptions don't lead to the conclusion. In fact there is a specific name for the problem here, it's called the No Limits Fallacy.
We can demonstrate it like this:
First assumption
Water flows through a two inch wide pipe (we all accept this)
Second assumption
If we increase the force pushing the water through the pipe it will flow faster (again, we accept this because it's true)
Conclusion
We can move water through the pipe at any speed we wish (we must deny this because empirical and theoretical work show that the water cannot move faster than light, no to mention that the pipe is not infinitely durable and will eventually burst as the pressure rises)
Or you can go look at the proof that Samurai can jump forty feet in the air.
Really I can't make it any simpler than this. You have no evidence (as you admit) and your logic is based on a fallacy (as seen above).
Originally posted by Deadline
Not at all it depends on the seriousness of the conversation.
So then you're not taking this seriously at all and we can just make wild claims about what Samurai can do? Good to know.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Sorry, that's not how logic works. Your line of thinking simply doesn't work at all.Watch:
First assumption
The iron shirt technique exists (I think we all accept this)
Second assumption
You can use it to resist blunt trauma through training (again everyone accepts this)
Conclusion
A person who is really good at Iron Shirt can, during a fight, stop a sword with his chest and walk away.The assumptions don't lead to the conclusion. In fact there is a specific name for the problem here, it's called the No Limits Fallacy.
We can demonstrate it like this:
First assumption
Water flows through a two inch wide pipe (we all accept this)
Second assumption
If we increase the force pushing the water through the pipe it will flow faster (again, we accept this because it's true)
Conclusion
We can move water through the pipe at any speed we wish (we must deny this because empirical and theoretical work show that the water cannot move faster than light, no to mention that the pipe is not infinitely durable and will eventually burst as the pressure rises)Or you can go look at the proof that Samurai can jump forty feet in the air.
Really I can't make it any simpler than this. You have no evidence (as you admit) and your logic is based on a fallacy (as seen above).
Whats really interesting is again you ignored the point that skill increases over time. You are simply picking and choosing what you like. Your analogy fails.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So then you're not taking this seriously at all and we can just make wild claims about what Samurai can do? Good to know.
No I'm taking it seriously but you don't have to. Again that doesn't prove how its illogical for somebody in my position to believe it.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow#
i am.. 😐now i am mad that you would think i was serious
You were? Thats pure fail.
anyways like rub tart said if you go far enough you can trace everyones ancestry to africa..
i am aware that some races have roots in other cultures and came from certain parts of the world but once a few thousand yrs have passed and they no longer share the same features you cant say they are still the same culture.. look at russians they dont have much in common with middle eastern ppl but that is where they originated from some thousand yrs ago.
Originally posted by Deadline
No no im not saying that. Im saying they would have taken some aspects of Indian mysticism. same as the Chinese did. There is one specific example of a beserker practicing meditation. In India they call it the death posture.The difference I can't see any examples of specfic African meditation which the Vikings were doing.
Call you show some connection with the Vikings having an Indian based past, that ties into what you're saying? Because that's news to me.
If you have to go back to prehistoy, it logically doesn't count.
Originally posted by Deadline
Whats really interesting is again you ignored the point that skill increases over time. You are simply picking and choosing what you like. Your analogy fails.
No not really. My analogy uses "increased pressure" for increased skill. Or in the Samurai jumping one I actually use increased skill over time to stand for increased skill over time.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
anyways like rub tart said if you go far enough you can trace everyones ancestry to africa..i am aware that some races have roots in other cultures and came from certain parts of the world but once a few thousand yrs have passed and they no longer share the same features you cant say they are still the same culture.. look at russians they dont have much in common with middle eastern ppl but that is where they originated from some thousand yrs ago.
Again there is a specific type of meditation that the Indians used which some of the Vikings used. Please show me examples of African meditation that the Vikings did.
Originally posted by Robtardi think he is arguing the aryan race thing.. that originated in india argument that a particular person used as an excuse
Call you show some connection with the Vikings having an Indian based past, that ties into what you're saying? Because that's news to me.If you have to go back to prehistoy, it logically doesn't count.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i think he is arguing the aryan race thing.. that originated in india argument that a particular person used as an excuse
Isn't that the other way around, the Aryans were a Russian based race who supposedly invaded Northern Indian and possibly some parts of the Middle East?
Originally posted by Deadlinei never argued that africans can meditate which they can its called chewing herbs and swaying side to side while drums play and they stare at flames or pass out..
Again there is a specific type of meditation that the Indians used which some of the Vikings used. Please show me examples of African meditation was the say as viking nor did i compare them.. i simply agreed with run tart that you can trace ancestry to just about any race most known one is our african origin
but anyways example many ppl believe that the natives of the americas may have originated from asia hence certain similarities in facial or bone and teeth structure..
same for the indian and middle eastern ppl when comparing certain european physical traits but that was thousands of yrs ago they no longer even share hair, eye or skin tone on average.. its now a completely different race of ppl.
Originally posted by Robtard
Call you show some connection with the Vikings having an Indian based past, that ties into what you're saying? Because that's news to me.If you have to go back to prehistoy, it logically doesn't count.
Well for example....Thor had a swastika and this is a religous Hindu symbol. If you look at the Rig-Vedas there are some gods that are similar to Norse gods. I also think the Vikings can be traced back to a group of people called the Aryans who were in Inida at the time the Rig-Vedas were made.
Its a long time ago but I don't think its pre-history.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No not really. My analogy uses "increased pressure" for increased skill. Or in the Samurai jumping one I actually use increased skill over time to stand for increased skill over time.
No not neccesarily. It depends on what speed you're refering to. I don't think that Iron Shirt could stop a bullet. Depending on what speed you can make the water run you could deduce that it maybe be possible to attain certain speeds. Its not as clear cut as you're making it. Are you done now?