Black Adam vs. Silver Surfer

Originally posted by cdtm
Considering Captain Marvels first cheap shot on Superman in Crisis Times Five couldn't knock Supes out, and he needed to resort to a second full strength punch, I don't put much stock in the charged punches. MM managed to KO an unprepared Marvel with just one viscous uppercut.

Yeah, they're cool to look at, but they're nothing compared to the actual lightning bolts.

Are we discussing the same thing? I'm just talking about the lightning itself. I've only seen BA use it on Death so I don't know its power.

I can see MM doing that only when the Marvel family is in play.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Are we discussing the same thing? I'm just talking about the lightning itself. I've only seen BA use it on Death so I don't know its power.

Whoops, thought we were still talking about the charged punches.

The lightning from Adam pretty much insta-defeated Martian Manhunter, and Marvel's messed up Superman pretty badly with it.

Ironically, that's also when Superman defeats him, as it turns him back into Billy.

Adam also surrounded his entire body in lightning and made Spectre into swiss cheese, but it didn't really bother him much.

Originally posted by Warlord
dude the analogy is the same.
flash has been tagged by slower opponents consistently while surfer has also.
unless u think the thing hulk or namor have speed to match his reflexes.

as for the wolverine thing is as valid as lady shiva tagging superman.
even more when after a month of the wolverine fight thor showed no problems with quicksilver.

writers tend to vary.

Yes, I knew exactly what you were trying to do from the get-go, which is why I called your analogy "ridiculous."

Surfer has never demonstrated combat speed on the level of Flash. It's been made painfully obvious through the years that Surfer's travel speed and combat speed are mutually exclusive.

And as for the Quicksilver encounter, nothing about it was that impressive. Thor simply took out the ground from under him by smashing it. No real combat speed demonstrated there.

Originally posted by cdtm
Whoops, thought we were still talking about the charged punches.

The lightning from Adam pretty much insta-defeated Martian Manhunter, and Marvel's messed up Superman pretty badly with it.

Ironically, that's also when Superman defeats him, as it turns him back into Billy.

Adam also surrounded his entire body in lightning and made Spectre into swiss cheese, but it didn't really bother him much.

So do you think Shazam's lightning could hurt SS as well?

Originally posted by batdude123
Yes, I knew exactly what you were trying to do from the get-go, which is why I called your analogy "ridiculous."

Surfer has never demonstrated combat speed on the level of Flash. It's been made painfully obvious through the years that Surfer's travel speed and combat speed are mutually exclusive.

And as for the Quicksilver encounter, nothing about that was that impressive. Thor simply took out the ground from under him by smashing it. No real combat speed demonstrated there.

The "combat speed" isn't much of an issue, when he's more than fast enough to play keep away and fire off energy attacks. Remember, Firelords Cosmic senses can spot a mote of dust from lightyears away, and Surfer has those same sense, and even used them to spot Nova in a Skrull prison next to Galactus. Meaning, he has the range and manuverability advantage, and air superiority.. The only reason it devolves into a slugfest is if Surfer lets it.

And if Adam does manage to tag Surfer off his board, I can't see him beating Surfer down before he gets the board ramming into the back of his skull, Surfer remounts and continues combat.

Originally posted by cdtm
The "combat speed" isn't much of an issue, when he's more than fast enough to play keep away and fire off energy attacks. Remember, Firelords Cosmic senses can spot a mote of dust from lightyears away, and Surfer has those same sense, and even used them to spot Nova in a Skrull prison next to Galactus. Meaning, he has the range and manuverability advantage, and air superiority.. The only reason it devolves into a slugfest is if Surfer lets it.

And if Adam does manage to tag Surfer off his board, I can't see him beating Surfer down before he gets the board ramming into the back of his skull, Surfer remounts and continues combat.

Is Surfer too fast for BA to hit in a fight? The answer is no.

Surfer won't be shrugging Adam's fists off like nothing. They're going to hurt him, and it's going to allow for Adam to take some wins.

The only reason I even started this argument was because I found the idea of Norrin taking 9-10/10 to be ludicrous.

Originally posted by batdude123
Is Surfer too fast for BA to hit in a fight? The answer is no.

Surfer won't be shrugging Adam's fists off like nothing. They're going to hurt him, and it's going to allow for Adam to take some wins.

The only reason I even started this argument was because I found the idea of Norrin taking 9-10/10 to be ludicrous.

Norrin was trading attacks with a full out, running Runner, and was only marginally slower.

I can't see Adam doing the same.

Giving Adam the benefit of the doubt as it is that he could tag Surfer off the board and beat him up some if he gets too close, but I definitely think Surfer has the capability to just keep outmaneuvering on the board and firing off with the Power Cosmic.

Originally posted by cdtm
Norrin was trading attacks with a full out, running Runner, and was only marginally slower.

I can't see Adam doing the same.

Giving Adam the benefit of the doubt as it is that he could tag Surfer off the board and beat him up some if he gets too close, but I definitely think Surfer has the capability to just keep outmaneuvering on the board and firing off with the Power Cosmic.

Honestly though, Runner's top speed feats aren't as impressive as most seem to make them out to be.

It's fine if you feel Surfer wins a majority of the time. That's not my point of contention.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
O rly?

OUCH!

That must have been some punch.

*insert pic of Thor getting KO'ed by a rifle round*

hahahaha!!

Fak.. lol freaking fell down my chair..

*cough* Mexicans *cough* Kree Blasters *cough*

Originally posted by batdude123

Still, I'll always hate Busiek for that incident.

Originally posted by Blanket
*insert pic of Thor getting KO'ed by a rifle round*

I reported you and Batdude for trolling by the way.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I reported you and Batdude for trolling by the way.

Hopefully you don't get banned like AC did then.

Originally posted by Blanket
Hopefully you don't get banned like AC did then.

AC has been banned too? Lol. What happened?

Can we let Kris back in then? I wish we could trade warnings etc. I haven't even received an official warning as far as I know.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Still, I'll always hate Busiek for that incident.

Don't blame Busiek and Priest for reading JIM 100...

Thanks Stan.

the thor pic was FAAARR more embarrassing than that superman one.
i've laughed every time i've seen it, true story. it's the look on his face or something *shrugs*

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
AC has been banned too? Lol. What happened?

Can we let Kris back in then? I wish we could trade warnings etc. I haven't even received an official warning as far as I know.

Me neither...

Originally posted by Blanket
AC was trolling, and then reported someone for responding to him. Permaban.

Me neither...

Lol. That's pretty ironic.

Good man. 👆