Originally posted by cdtmdoesnt the IF only need ONE gem (the power gem) to resist the UN?
Nowhere in those scans does it say the combined multiverse was nullified/restored.Also, here's what it says on Marvels official wiki:
http://marvel.com/universe/Abraxas
THE universe. One.
And regardless, there's still an incomplete Infinity Gauntlet deflecting the Nullifier.
Nullifier < incomplete IF < Living Tribunal = Lucifer Morningstar.
Give or take.
Originally posted by cdtm
Nowhere in those scans does it say the combined multiverse was nullified/restored.Also, here's what it says on Marvels official wiki:
http://marvel.com/universe/Abraxas
THE universe. One.
And regardless, there's still an incomplete Infinity Gauntlet deflecting the Nullifier.
Nullifier < incomplete IF < Living Tribunal = Lucifer Morningstar.
Give or take.
Since when is Lucifer equal to LT? Based on what?
Also, the Marvel site isn't all that accurate. Reed states that the UN can nullify entire multi-verses. Reed in actual comic > marvel's site.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Since when is Lucifer equal to LT? Based on what?Also, the Marvel site isn't all that accurate. Reed states that the UN can nullify entire multi-verses. Reed in actual comic > marvel's site.
Since Lucifer has bigger feats than LT?
Seriously, what has LT done that tops Lucifer's feats?
LT is second in line, underneath TOOA. Lucifer is second in line, underneath The Presence (Alongside his brother, Michael.) Plus, there's the feats Lucifer performed creating Presences universe, along with his feats when creating his own unique multiverse (As in, OUTSIDE of creation, vs multiverse/universe creation usually happening WITHIN the higher DC or Marvel omniverse), which include creating his own concepts like "time".. He's also created souls, just to torture souless demons..
Originally posted by kgkg
I see this is turning into a LT vs Lucifer thread again..
It's not really Lucifers rank next to LT I'm concerned about.. It's more that I'm wondering where exactly some people are placing him.
Sometimes, I can't help but wonder if some would argue Eternity or the Infinity Gauntlet is above even The Presence, the way his sons are underrated...
Originally posted by cdtm
It's not really Lucifers rank next to LT I'm concerned about.. It's more that I'm wondering where exactly some people are placing him.Sometimes, I can't help but wonder if some would argue Eternity or the Infinity Gauntlet is above even The Presence, the way his sons are underrated...
Thanos with IG > Eternity
Eternty = multi-verse
LT >>> IG
Lucifer's best feat multiversal. LT has the better feats.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Thanos with IG > Eternity
Eternty = multi-verse
LT >>> IGLucifer's best feat multiversal. LT has the better feats.
And when did the IG prove it could defeat multi-Eternity.
Each universe has their own lesser Eternities. They do not equal Eternity.. If they did, the events of Captain Marvel, when Oblivion became the new Eternity of a single universe, would make no sense..
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1582628/etisuni2copysh4.jpg.html
it's all in the book. Credit for the scan goes to Mr M
Originally posted by TheTyrant
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/1582628/etisuni2copysh4.jpg.htmlit's all in the book. Credit for the scan goes to Mr M
So, what about when alternate Eternities were nullified, permanently? It's happened in What If's, including one where Dr. Strange decides to stay within his nullified universe, while Surfer left for other places..
If beating universal Eternity was = beating multi-Eternity, there'd be no Marvel Multiverse. Clearly that isn't the case, as alt versions of Eternity have been killed and the multi-verse is still there.
Originally posted by cdtm
And when did the IG prove it could defeat multi-Eternity.Each universe has their own lesser Eternities. They do not equal Eternity.. If they did, the events of Captain Marvel, when Oblivion became the new Eternity of a single universe, would make no sense..
Don't you mean Entropy?
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Don't you mean Entropy?
Yes, Entropy. ^_^;
The thing is, TheTyrant keeps equating defeating 616 Eternity with wiping out the entire Marvel omniverse. This doesn't make much sense, considering all universes have their own Eternity.
Clearly, beating or nullifying 616 Eternity, means you nullified the 616 Eternity. Otherwise, why would all the "lesser" Eternity's exist?
The Marvel multiverse/omniverse would continue to exist without the 616-verse. (Unless there's some kind of "nexus point" thing similar to mainstream DC Earth unraveling everything. But even destroying an entire multiverse via nexus destruction isn't nearly the same thing as going out and defeating all of the entities in each universe of the entire multiverse..)
Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, Entropy. ^_^;The thing is, TheTyrant keeps equating defeating 616 Eternity with wiping out the entire Marvel omniverse. This doesn't make much sense, considering all universes have their own Eternity.
Clearly, beating or nullifying 616 Eternity, means you nullified the 616 Eternity. Otherwise, why would all the "lesser" Eternity's exist?
The Marvel multiverse/omniverse would continue to exist without the 616-verse.
I don't quite get it either. DC New Earth is explained to be the metaphysical cornerstone of the Multiverse, so that explains the latter events of SCW and Final Crisis. I never read anything stating the 616-Universe to be the essential piece of the Marvel Multiverse.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Is this you attempting humor? Fail. Un erases him quite easily.
Humor? That was dependent on your answer. It was mostly a roundabout way of me asking whether or not you clung to the ridiculous argument that Lucifer would lose to a being of a certain level (Thanos for example) because he was hurt by a spear.
