Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier vs Lucifer Morningstar

Originally posted by quanchi112
He killed Michael because he was weakened and held back against his brother due to fenris' actions.

I can't recall his name off hand and am too lazy to look it up. It was the older looking one who stabbed him right in the back and took him prisoner for all those years.

Eternity is far greater than Odin and also went toe to toe with the ig. Big diff.

Says the guy who seems to be leaving out the context behind Lucifer's win over his brother whose wings were badly damaged and stopped attacking. Those are major details. Wow, did you read the series?

Lucy was aided and later prevailed against fenris. I am talking out prior to when he fled battle to buy himself time. Fenris had him dead to rights and he fled.

Lucy had help against Amenadiel. That's the only reason he prevailed.

They were all weakened by the journey. Fenris was in control for the majority of the fight. It says nothing about Lucifer's intelligence or use of his powers. Michael tried to reason with him, which leads to the conclusion that he is more powerful? No connection there.

That was Michael who was stabbed in the back by Sandalphon. Michael has a completely different power-set, and was kept in a state of near-death for the experiments. He was too weak to use his powers, and if he had died he would have destroyed all of creation. Lose-lose situation.

Eternity has less feats than Odin, and yet we rate Eternity over Odin. LT is acknowledge to be No. 2 to TOAA, and a Celestial was able to accomplish what he couldn't (stopping Protege). By their nature abstracts are more powerful than gods in the DC and Marvel universes.

Both their wings were heavily damaged.

A Lucifer that wasn't even at half-power. Noema stated that he was losing power ever since the Presence left creation. Context, Quanchi, context.

Aided in ways that contributed almost nothing to their personal fight. Rudd delayed Fenris and got smoked. Mazikeen disturbed his smoke form as long as possible. None of that weakened Fenris to a relevant extent.

The only true "help" happened when Duma carried him to the Pain Fields. Both Amenadiel and Lucifer were using people as pawns for their plans. Lucifer just had better on-the-fly thinking. By the same reasoning, the only way Amenadiel could have won was through the help of other people (Sisyphus, Rudd, etc.). He wasn't relying on his own power to win the fight.

Anyway, we're talking about Galactus. Make arguments for Galactus.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
They were all weakened by the journey. Fenris was in control for the majority of the fight. It says nothing about Lucifer's intelligence or use of his powers. Michael tried to reason with him, which leads to the conclusion that he is more powerful? No connection there.

That was Michael who was stabbed in the back by Sandalphon. Michael has a completely different power-set, and was kept in a state of near-death for the experiments. He was too weak to use his powers, and if he had died he would have destroyed all of creation. Lose-lose situation.

Eternity has less feats than Odin, and yet we rate Eternity over Odin. LT is acknowledge to be No. 2 to TOAA, and a Celestial was able to accomplish what he couldn't (stopping Protege). By their nature abstracts are more powerful than gods in the DC and Marvel universes.

Both their wings were heavily damaged.

A Lucifer that wasn't even at half-power. Noema stated that he was losing power ever since the Presence left creation. Context, Quanchi, context.

Aided in ways that contributed almost nothing to their personal fight. Rudd delayed Fenris and got smoked. Mazikeen disturbed his smoke form as long as possible. None of that weakened Fenris to a relevant extent.

The only true "help" happened when Duma carried him to the Pain Fields. Both Amenadiel and Lucifer were using people as pawns for their plans. Lucifer just had better on-the-fly thinking. By the same reasoning, the only way Amenadiel could have won was through the help of other people (Sisyphus, Rudd, etc.). He wasn't relying on his own power to win the fight.

Anyway, we're talking about Galactus. Make arguments for Galactus.

Yes, he was defeated by being stabbed in the back which meant sure he's powerful not unbeatable.

Eternity is more powerful and more formidable than Odin and unlike Michael he can't be defeated by someone random guy in the back with a spear.

Yes, he was losing power but was at full power when Michael routed him when all he had to do was stab him with a spear. Think, please.

Amenadiel was betrayed by Paul what's his name who really was impressive in terms of working everyone over. That's why he lost.

Yeah, Gaalctus oneshots him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Michael's wings were broken which was even cited which meant beating him isn't as impressive as if he were fully powered and oh yeah he tried talking to him so it's not impressive.

Yes, he was defeated by being stabbed in the back which meant sure he's powerful not unbeatable.

Eternity is more powerful and more formidable than Odin and unlike Michael he can't be defeated by someone random guy in the back with a spear.

Yes, he was losing power but was at full power when Michael routed him when all he had to do was stab him with a spear. Think, please.

Amenadiel was betrayed by Paul what's his name who really was impressive in terms of working everyone over. That's why he lost.

Yeah, Gaalctus oneshots him.

So? No one was citing as a mega-awesome-super feat. Lucifer beat Michael under special circumstances. They're so closely matched either of them could have won.

Someone mentioned the word quanuevering, and I like it. Stop your baseless quanuevering. No one ever claimed that Michael was unbeatable.

Not as pathetic as Eternity being trapped by Nightmare. A few people took a nap, and now Eternity is down for the count. I doubt Odin was ever beaten by a couple of dudes taking a snooze.

Michael never routed him, ever. Not even during the original battle in Heaven. The Presence showed Lucifer hell and offered its dominion, Lucifer accepted it and simply left the fight.

Christopher Rudd. Who was supposedly "betraying" Lucifer in the first place when he gave him the box. Sounds like Lucifer, idontknow, planned for that to happen. Same way Amenadiel planned the assassin, the random dudes with knives, and the insane cherub. And those didn't work.

Galactus jobs like he did to BRB.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
So? No one was citing as a mega-awesome-super feat. Lucifer beat Michael under special circumstances. They're so closely matched either of them could have won.

Someone mentioned the word quanuevering, and I like it. Stop your baseless quanuevering. No one ever claimed that Michael was unbeatable.

Not as pathetic as Eternity being trapped by Nightmare. A few people took a nap, and now Eternity is down for the count. I doubt Odin was ever beaten by a couple of dudes taking a snooze.

Michael never routed him, ever. Not even during the original battle in Heaven. The Presence showed Lucifer hell and offered its dominion, Lucifer accepted it and simply left the fight.

Christopher Rudd. Who was supposedly "betraying" Lucifer in the first place when he gave him the box. Sounds like Lucifer, idontknow, planned for that to happen. Same way Amenadiel planned the assassin, the random dudes with knives, and the insane cherub. And those didn't work.

Galactus jobs like he did to BRB.

Thanks for admitting it.

Odin was beaten by an army of ants. That takes the cake.

Michael routed the entire army with him included. I guess you forgot about all that.

Yes, chris was intricate in this.

Galactus was never hurt against BrB and was being starved. Galactus also didn't fire the un so he oneshots him here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, they aren't closely matched and the only time they went mano e mano with full powers michael stomped him and could have soloed the entire forces unlike him. If you read the comic why would you even dare to assume he's a matchup for a fully powered Michael?

Thanks for admitting it.

Odin was beaten by an army of ants. That takes the cake.

Michael routed the entire army with him included. I guess you forgot about all that.

Yes, chris was intricate in this.

Galactus was never hurt against BrB and was being starved. Galactus also didn't fire the un so he oneshots him here.

Your quanevering is pointless and a waste of time. The battle in Heaven was first mentioned in Sandman, and then retconned in Lucifer's own series. Originally he was cast down from Heaven, then it was changed to him voluntarily taking command of Hell. Lucifer's own series also barely mentions Heaven at all, referring more to the Silver City as the angels' domain. Must you slither and squirm like a snake to post opinions with no proof?

Unlike a certain Void enthusiast. How's RKT thread going?

Army of ants > Unconscious people

By delivering the heart. Anyone else in the same position could do the same thing, there was nothing special about Rudd himself.

He jobbed like the White Sox in the 1919 World Series. Reed Richards didn't need cosmic powers to fire the UN, and Galactus could have cornered BRB in a billion different ways. Telepathy, teleportation, simply telling the Surfer to kick his ass...but nope, he nearly starved to death. Reed Richards gets the best of him every time, this is easy for Lucifer.

For a cosmic being who's older then the universe itself and is supposed to be pretty intelligent, Big G doesn't really act too smart...

He couldn't even figure out how to rescue Nova from a Skrull prison planet. O_o

I mean, something as simple as sending an emissary with a message "Release Nova in five minutes, or I start chowing down on Skrull prime" probably would've done the job.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Your quanevering is pointless and a waste of time. The battle in Heaven was first mentioned in Sandman, and then retconned in Lucifer's own series. Originally he was cast down from Heaven, then it was changed to him voluntarily taking command of Hell. Lucifer's own series also barely mentions Heaven at all, referring more to the Silver City as the angels' domain. Must you slither and squirm like a snake to post opinions with no proof?

Unlike a certain Void enthusiast. How's RKT thread going?

Army of ants > Unconscious people

By delivering the heart. Anyone else in the same position could do the same thing, there was nothing special about Rudd himself.

He jobbed like the White Sox in the 1919 World Series. Reed Richards didn't need cosmic powers to fire the UN, and Galactus could have cornered BRB in a billion different ways. Telepathy, teleportation, simply telling the Surfer to kick his ass...but nope, he nearly starved to death. Reed Richards gets the best of him every time, this is easy for Lucifer.

Stick to this topic mentioning something else just shows me I am inside your head.

Rudd's intelligence made him what he was. Without him Lucy was a goner. That's weak sauce.

Galactus has the un in this thread so he fires it and wins. he didn't fire it against BrB lucky for him.

Michael could end them all with a gesture and when he hesitated he lost due to his lack of durability.

Michael's power has always been leagues above his brother's. Anyone who read the series would know this.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Sigh, I guess I will have to post scans then since you have no idea what it is you are talking about. This should be fun.

Stick to this topic mentioning something else just shows me I am inside your head.

Rudd's intelligence made him what he was. Without him Lucy was a goner. That's weak sauce.

Galactus has the un in this thread so he fires it and wins. he didn't fire it against BrB lucky for him.

*shrug* Posting scans from Sandman doesn't change what happened in Lucifer. Go ahead, it doesn't make a difference. I can just post the scans of him not falling from the sky.

No, I like discussing this particular character. He's one of my favorites.

You mean incinerated into a pile of ash by Fenris? He got there from a combination of demonic stupidity, weakass "leadership" from Remiel, Rudd's religious beliefs, Arux's daughter's grotesque fascination with his self-mutilation, and Duma's decision to give him the key. He was never especially clever or special, but that's why he become the lord of Hell: he was the last person anyone believed would attain that position. He never schemed his way to the top.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
*shrug* Posting scans from Sandman doesn't change what happened in Lucifer. Go ahead, it doesn't make a difference. I can just post the scans of him not falling from the sky.

No, I like discussing this particular character. He's one of my favorites.

You mean incinerated into a pile of ash by Fenris? He got there from a combination of demonic stupidity, weakass "leadership" from Remiel, Rudd's religious beliefs, Arux's daughter's grotesque fascination with his self-mutilation, and Duma's decision to give him the key. He was never especially clever or special, but that's why he become the lord of Hell: he was the last person anyone believed would attain that position. He never schemed his way to the top.

If you think he never made the most of his position and went from a slave in hell to it's king just because it was given to him you need to reread the series.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Michael could end them all with a gesture and when he hesitated he lost due to his lack of durability.

No shame in being pierced by a heaven spear.

Kind of like how that sword Michael used on Spectre isn't just a normal sword, I doubt a spear used in the war in heaven is just a regular spear.

Originally posted by cdtm
No shame in being pierced by a heaven spear.

Kind of like how that sword Michael used on Spectre isn't just a normal sword, I doubt a spear used in the war in heaven is just a regular spear.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This was a scan from his series not sandman. Carey made the character his own from this point on.

If you think he never made the most of his position and went from a slave in hell to it's king just because it was given to him you need to reread the series.

It still doesn't show anything suggesting that Lucifer is greater or lesser than Michael; it certainly doesn't show Lucifer being deposed. It shows that Michael pushed Lucifer's forces to the edge of heaven. Considering his power it would have been disappointing if he couldn't accomplish that. Go find the scans that show the meeting between the Presence and Lucifer, with him accepting the rule of Hell. Lucifer and Michael are fighting evenly, and the Presence intervenes with a third option. Clearly, the scans you're showing occur after that transaction.

It was neither luck nor 100% his own will and effort. He had plans to reform Hell, but he couldn't have taken over by himself. He was lucky to be released from his torment, and Duma handed him the key to Hell.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It shows how susceptible he is. We later see this angel killed as well. The female japanese demon killed a whole lot of angels as well. This is nowhere near Odin or Thanos level.

Susceptible to weapons from angels and gods though. Angelic weapons.

They should harm Odin as well. One of Michaels swords harmed Spectre.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Without a doubt.

haermm2

Originally posted by quanchi112
It shows how susceptible he is. We later see this angel killed as well. The female japanese demon killed a whole lot of angels as well. This is nowhere near Odin or Thanos level.

Yeah, most angels are cannon fodder. Kind of like Parademons and every other mass group without a face.

BTW, angels are creatures of spirit. They don't have inherent physical durability or anything like that. Kind of pointless to talk about Michael's durability when he's not truly a physical being in the first place.

Lowballing FTW, eh, Quan?

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
It still doesn't show anything suggesting that Lucifer is greater or lesser than Michael; it certainly doesn't show Lucifer being deposed. It shows that Michael pushed Lucifer's forces to the edge of heaven. Considering his power it would have been disappointing if he couldn't accomplish that. Go find the scans that show the meeting between the Presence and Lucifer, with him accepting the rule of Hell. Lucifer and Michael are fighting evenly, and the Presence intervenes with a third option. Clearly, the scans you're showing occur after that transaction.

It was neither luck nor 100% his own will and effort. He had plans to reform Hell, but he couldn't have taken over by himself. He was lucky to be released from his torment, and Duma handed him the key to Hell.

Originally posted by cdtm
Susceptible to weapons from angels and gods though. Angelic weapons.

They should harm Odin as well. One of Michaels swords harmed Spectre.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
haermm2

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Yeah, most angels are cannon fodder. Kind of like Parademons and every other mass group without a face.

BTW, angels are creatures of spirit. They don't have inherent physical durability or anything like that. Kind of pointless to talk about Michael's durability when he's not truly a physical being in the first place.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lowballing FTW, eh, Quan?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It says flat out he could end them all with a gesture. A gesture and yet you say it doesn't prove he's more powerful. Wow.

It's also been stated in-comic that Lucifer could annihilate the legions of Hell with a thought. He can do pretty much the exact same thing. Considering that you're relying on in-comic statements from his opinion, it's ironic that you ignore how the comic deliberately sets up the brothers as equals in power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yep. So Michael is canon fodder now?

Trying to twist my words? Hardcore fail. Most angels are written as cannon fodder. The Spectre, Michael, and such are on another entire level.

Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
It's also been stated in-comic that Lucifer could annihilate the legions of Hell with a thought. He can do pretty much the exact same thing. Considering that you're relying on in-comic statements from his opinion, it's ironic that you ignore how the comic deliberately sets up the brothers as equals in power.

Trying to twist my words? Hardcore fail. Most angels are written as cannon fodder. The Spectre, Michael, and such are on another entire level.

No one had infinite power and one had infinite will. You didn't read it at all.

So he was beaten by a canon fodder one then because he hesitated.