Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusIf you read the series you'd realize people exaggerated the crap out of all these characters. Thanos doesn't need a spear.
Humor? That was dependent on your answer. It was mostly a roundabout way of me asking whether or not you clung to the ridiculous argument that Lucifer would lose to a being of a certain level (Thanos for example) because he was hurt by a spear.
Why on earth do people still consider Lucifer being at ground zero as some kind of durability feat I'll never understand. It was his job.. it was a power give to him to accomplish a task by the presence. Any creation story is about CREATION not tanking some symbolic explosion used to describe how things expand outward to create all. Durability feat.. nah.
As stated 616 Eternity greater than all others and the 616 is the corner stone for all of the Marvel Multiverse. The same Eternity is the Abraxas saga is the same in the IG saga i.e. multi-eternity.
All this being said... the UN won't nullify Lucifer.... I think Lucifer is above such nullification.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Why on earth do people still consider Lucifer being at ground zero as some kind of durability feat I'll never understand. It was his job.. it was a power give to him to accomplish a task by the presence. Any creation story is about CREATION not tanking some symbolic explosion used to describe how things expand outward to create all. Durability feat.. nah.As stated 616 Eternity greater than all others and the 616 is the corner stone for all of the Marvel Multiverse. The same Eternity is the Abraxas saga is the same in the IG saga i.e. multi-eternity.
All this being said... the UN won't nullify Lucifer.... I think Lucifer is above such nullification.
Lucifer tanked Michael's magic saw performance, and it was the first (and only) time he did so. Neither he nor Michael created the original DC Multiverse, that was the work of the Presence.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I read his entire series and have no other reason to believe otherwise.
So, are we talking about overpowering him, or outsmarting him?
The stuff Lucifer did without his powers didn't impress, at all? The schemes against heaven, the way he tricked those Japanese gods without any powers...?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I read his entire series and have no other reason to believe otherwise.
Yeah, I'll take your word for it... 🙄
Originally posted by cdtm
So, are we talking about overpowering him, or outsmarting him?The stuff Lucifer did without his powers didn't impress, at all? The schemes against heaven, the way he tricked those Japanese gods without any powers...?
Does it really matter what he thinks? Thanos can't even stand with Odin, and Odin's small-fry compared to Lucifer.
Originally posted by cdtmI think his opponents were stupid most of the time. He did outmaneuver them but I don't see Thanos letting him off the hook. he was also aided various times and outplayed.
So, are we talking about overpowering him, or outsmarting him?The stuff Lucifer did without his powers didn't impress, at all? The schemes against heaven, the way he tricked those Japanese gods without any powers...?
Originally posted by Johnny SorrowWhat did he do to suggest I am incorrect here. Odin would dominate him as well.
Yeah, I'll take your word for it... 🙄Does it really matter what he thinks? Thanos can't even stand with Odin, and Odin's small-fry compared to Lucifer.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think his opponents were stupid most of the time. He did outmaneuver them but I don't see Thanos letting him off the hook. he was also aided various times and outplayed.What did he do to suggest I am incorrect here. Odin would dominate him as well.
If you read the series, you would know how much more powerful he is than Odin. Odin is a skyfather, and Lucifer is above the Endless in power.
He was only outsmarted by Izanami, temporarily.
Originally posted by Black bolt zThat's just too off topic.
Quan not trying to be off topic but what do you think the strongest character thanos can beat without prep or amps is?
Originally posted by Johnny SorrowI did read the series and I saw his brother dominate him and then get taken out because his back was turned. Their durability wasn't the greatest.
If you read the series, you would know how much more powerful he is than Odin. Odin is a skyfather, and Lucifer is above the Endless in power.He was only outsmarted by Izanami, temporarily.
What have the endless done combat wise to make you so in awe of them?
He was outplayed by Fenris and Amenadiel but he had help.
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
If you read the series, you would know how much more powerful he is than Odin. Odin is a skyfather, and Lucifer is above the Endless in power.He was only outsmarted by Izanami, temporarily.
And in terms of prep, Thanos isn't entirely without his help or lucky breaks either.. If not for Death, he wouldn't have found out about the Infinity Well, or assembled the Infinity Gauntlet.
Yeah, Lucifer had his lucky breaks and help, but he also made a lot of his own luck. The aborted fetus guardian and Japanese monster for starters.
He was resourceful, managing to use and abuse anyone and anything to get what he wanted. Even used Elaine Belloc as a "Get out of becoming The Presence" card, and took some time to groom her beforehand, so it wasn't a whim..
Originally posted by cdtmTrue, but when his goal was made nothing stood in his way whereas Lucy has characters stand in his way whereas Thanos just goes through them.
And in terms of prep, Thanos isn't entirely without his help or lucky breaks either.. If not for Death, he wouldn't have found out about the Infinity Well, or assembled the Infinity Gauntlet.Yeah, Lucifer had his lucky breaks and help, but he also made a lot of his own luck. The aborted fetus guardian and Japanese monster for starters.
He was resourceful, managing to use and abuse anyone and anything to get what he wanted. Even used Elaine Belloc as a "Get out of becoming The Presence" card, and took some time to groom her beforehand, so it wasn't a whim..
I feel his lack of competition really hurts him against Thanos because his universe was nowhere near as nasty or competitive as marvel's.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That's just too off topic. I did read the series and I saw his brother dominate him and then get taken out because his back was turned. Their durability wasn't the greatest.What have the endless done combat wise to make you so in awe of them?
Uh, he killed Michael at the World Tree. Are you talking about when he was possessed by Fenris' blood, because he wasn't "dominated" then either.
Taken out by who? Noema? He pulled the knife out of his back and kept fighting.
Is Eternity greater than Odin? Yes. Does he have as many feats? No.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He was outplayed by Fenris and Amenadiel but he had help.
You're not even showing proof that you finished the story, let alone a page.
Lucifer conserved his power until he was in the ideal position to clinch victory. He admits as much immediately afterwards. By doing so he played Fenris and Noema simultaneously, since the latter tried to kill him during and after the fight. She broke her side of the bargain and would have been toast if he hasn't used her to contact the Presence outside of reality.
Every time Amenadiel had a full house, Lucifer pulled a four of a kind.
Originally posted by Johnny SorrowHe killed Michael because he was weakened and held back against his brother due to fenris' actions.
Uh, he killed Michael at the World Tree. Are you talking about when he was possessed by Fenris' blood, because he wasn't "dominated" then either.Taken out by who? Noema? He pulled the knife out of his back and kept fighting.
Is Eternity greater than Odin? Yes. Does he have as many feats? No.
You're not even showing proof that you finished the story, let alone a page.
Lucifer conserved his power until he was in the ideal position to clinch victory. He admits as much immediately afterwards. By doing so he played Fenris and Noema simultaneously, since the latter tried to kill him during and after the fight. She broke her side of the bargain and would have been toast if he hasn't used her to contact the Presence outside of reality.
Every time Amenadiel had a full house, Lucifer pulled a four of a kind.
I can't recall his name off hand and am too lazy to look it up. It was the older looking one who stabbed him right in the back and took him prisoner for all those years.
Eternity is far greater than Odin and also went toe to toe with the ig. Big diff.
Says the guy who seems to be leaving out the context behind Lucifer's win over his brother whose wings were badly damaged and stopped attacking. Those are major details. Wow, did you read the series?
Lucy was aided and later prevailed against fenris. I am talking out prior to when he fled battle to buy himself time. Fenris had him dead to rights and he fled.
Lucy had help against Amenadiel. That's the only reason he prevailed.