Originally posted by brownqkThe only instances I can recall in which Lucifer was stabbed is when he was either: a.) not at full power, or b.) when he was stabbed by a weapon of 'Heavenly' origins, to which we do not know the particulars behind.
There is no such context explaining how/why Lucifer got speared.
But what should discredit the notion that a full power Lucifer can simply be 'stabbed to death', is his feat of tanking (ie. being unfazed by) a multiversal big bang at ground zero. Multiversal big bangs >g_infinity stabbing weapons.
Originally posted by brownqk
Uh, wasn't Drax resurrected, twice to boot, specifically to kill Thanos? That's important context which doesn't diminish Thanos' durability feats. There is no such context explaining how/why Lucifer got speared.
And the heaven weapons have feats like stabbing to death a fetus monstrosity that ate up old gods. And the basanos, taking the form of tarot cards yet possessing power that makes even Lucifer near full power pause, is an example of the kind of technology Heaven is capable of making. This gives context to the sorts of items they'd employ in a war.
Not to mention, there's simple common sense.. Michael and Lucifer can tackle and absorb attacks from two beings with the power of The Presence, and are two of the most powerful beings in existence, and we're really going to assume they can be taken out with something Leonidas's would use??
Or put another way, if Superman gets taken out by a space gun, I take that as proving that space gun is really powerful. We don't know anything about the space gun, and so have no reason to doubt this is it's normal operating power, as this is the ONLY showing from the space gun.
With heaven weapons, we have Michael being stabbed through, a fetus demon being killed, and Fenris being wounded. There's really no reason to doubt the weapons are in fact this strong, since these are not Earth weapons and have no basis for compasion with Earth weapons, and all of their showings are decently high end ones.
Originally posted by cdtm
And the heaven weapons have feats like stabbing to death a fetus monstrosity that ate up old gods. And the basanos, taking the form of tarot cards yet possessing power that makes even Lucifer near full power pause, is an example of the kind of technology Heaven is capable of making. This gives context to the sorts of items they'd employ in a war.Not to mention, there's simple common sense.. Michael and Lucifer can tackle and absorb attacks from two beings with the power of The Presence, and are two of the most powerful beings in existence, and we're really going to assume they can be taken out with something Leonidas's would use??
Or put another way, if Superman gets taken out by a space gun, I take that as proving that space gun is really powerful. We don't know anything about the space gun, and so have no reason to doubt this is it's normal operating power, as this is the ONLY showing from the space gun.
With heaven weapons, we have Michael being stabbed through, a fetus demon being killed, and Fenris being wounded. There's really no reason to doubt the weapons are in fact this strong, since these are not Earth weapons and have no basis for compasion with Earth weapons, and all of their showings are decently high end ones.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by Galan007Incorrect he warped Michael's power but can't just redirect any attack thrown his way. Michael let loose his power to create when he died and Lucy had the power to do with it as he would but to say he could just pwn Michael in actual battle is another matter entirely. The un's erasing powers aren't the same as the powers to create which resulted which Lucy manipulated.
UN or not, Galactus can't do shit. Lucifer could literally warp anything sent his way.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankIt was an angelic spear but not one of specific importance. While Michael had the power to defeat them all with but a gesture he could also be hurt by them if his guard wasn't up. This is consistent with how he was portrayed in the actual comic.
The lowballing of Lucifer here is ridiculous.Regardless of whether or not you think Galactus w/ the UN beats him, to actually try to suggest ordinary spears can harm him is beyond stupid. And yet, I'm sure as hell not surprised when I read some of the posts made in this thread.
Originally posted by quanchi112So now you're trying to limit Michael's power solely to creative energies? *sighs* sometimes your ridiculousness knows no bounds... Here is on panel PROOF (not your personal opinion) that Michael's powers are almost entirely destructive unless acted on by an outside source (ie. Lucifer.)
Incorrect he warped Michael's power but can't just redirect any attack thrown his way. Michael let loose his power to create when he died and Lucy had the power to do with it as he would but to say he could just pwn Michael in actual battle is another matter entirely. The un's erasing powers aren't the same as the powers to create which resulted which Lucy manipulated.
"Reflect a moment. Michael is a vessel for divine power. If he dies -- if that vessel cracks -- the worlds will be scoured clean of life. There will be nothing left":
"There is a power within me. The Dunamis Demiurgos. God's power. When I die it will pour out of me and overwhelm everything that exists":
And just for the hell of it, here's Lucifer warping the shit out of Mike's Demiurgic/destructive energies:
And here's proof that those energies were ultimately sufficient for Lucifer to mold a multiverse out of:
Again, on panel proof trumps your opinion. No amount of dodging will change that fact, I'm afraid.
Originally posted by Galan007
So now you're trying to limit Michael's power solely to creative energies? *sighs* sometimes your ridiculousness knows no bounds... Here is on panel PROOF (not your personal opinion) that Michael's powers are almost entirely destructive unless acted on by an outside source (ie. Lucifer.)"Reflect a moment. Michael is a vessel for divine power. If he dies -- if that vessel cracks -- the worlds will be scoured clean of life. There will be nothing left":
"There is a power within me. The Dunamis Demiurgos. God's power. When I die it will pour out of me and overwhelm everything that exists":
And just for the hell of it, here's Lucifer warping the shit out of Mike's Demiurgic/destructive energies:
And here's proof that those energies were ultimately sufficient for Lucifer to mold a multiverse out of:
Again, on panel proof trumps your opinion. No amount of dodging will change that fact, I'm afraid.
oh hai thur
Do you have the scans of God clearly and blatantly intervening in the Lucifer/Michael fight and giving Lucifer control of hell?
Originally posted by Galan007
^ It was actually Lucifer/Gabriel..
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Sorry about the mistaken identity. But a fellow forum goer was saying that Lucifer was kicked out of heave, and I didn't recall it that way.
Originally posted by Galan007They are just that massive creative energies. Lucy controlled or tempered them. Yes, they can overwhelm reality unless focused or controlled by someone else such as himself or elaine.
So now you're trying to limit Michael's power solely to creative energies? *sighs* sometimes your ridiculousness knows no bounds... Here is on panel PROOF (not your personal opinion) that Michael's powers are almost entirely destructive unless acted on by an outside source (ie. Lucifer.)"Reflect a moment. Michael is a vessel for divine power. If he dies -- if that vessel cracks -- the worlds will be scoured clean of life. There will be nothing left":
"There is a power within me. The Dunamis Demiurgos. God's power. When I die it will pour out of me and overwhelm everything that exists":
And just for the hell of it, here's Lucifer warping the shit out of Mike's Demiurgic/destructive energies:
And here's proof that those energies were ultimately sufficient for Lucifer to mold a multiverse out of:
Again, on panel proof trumps your opinion. No amount of dodging will change that fact, I'm afraid.
Lucy can't just send away whatever destructive forces he decides to send his way in battle since he was bested already by Michael and it was as easy as a gesture had he wanted to do so.
You are taking one feat out of context and falsely applying it to how Lucy was portrayed the entire series. He wasn't simply able to rechannel any foes power sent his way. I see a lot of posters try in vain to do so.
