Originally posted by Q99Which was pretty much shown to us in Nightwing issue.. 117 maybe? Where Slade was just leaning against the wall, because Dick sent for his help and Dick ran over and started attacking him and shit while he was casually standing there. Slammed his head through a mirror, one single return kick had Dick sprawled across the floor in submission.
Nightwing's gotten really good at running away from him 🙂 The stalemate time I can think of when Slade captured Man-Bat, was basically Dick lept at him and got a little surprise, landed a nice combo, then leapt away, inner-monologing about how if he gave Deathstroke the slightest opening that'd be it.
Originally posted by Juntai
When he was baiting her to introduce her to the new Ravager, she had inner dialogue mentioning that he was simply too fast for her and she was only keeping up because he was letting her, and that her body reading skills didn't work on him because of this.
She didn't say too fast, she said he moved like a 'choir' with enough voices he was hard to read (though she didn't say they didn't work at all, just that he made it difficult). She sensed that he was holding back, but keep in mind she was outwardly winning and got a sword to a fice. Cass knew that she wasn't really winning, that's all.
Even Cass seems to understand she wouldn't be a threat if he had the agenda to put her down.
He tried that in their first fight, and their third didn't go much better for him either, where he as much admitted he couldn't take her down as well.
She didn't say that he could beat her, just that he was letting her do better than it looked as part of a lure.
Which is pretty impressive on his part still, in terms of reading the flow of the fight and predicting what'd happen.
Slade is not fast enough to surprise or outreact SM, flash or WW unless they are crippled by CIS, PIS or WIS. These people have lightspeed, or close to it, reaction times, he has jobber aura. Most of the titans individually could crush him, but they have CIP and PIS preventing them. Flash is a moron.
That time slade danced arround in front of SM putting himself in front of a truck while giving a lecture? It was a joke. SM, who just stood there looking like a dope: "oh no he'll kill himself", could have gone tot he moon and back before Slade hit the ground. "His brain and reflexes are so superdooper awesome, he can keep up with wonder woman" sigh... And people complain about wolverine wanking by fans and writers.
DS can successfully employ his powerset and skillset against other street levellers, and is a top tier in the street level that's for sure. But using his PIS filled feats against top tiers, sometimes in groups, to prove that is bullshit. Wolverine has ripped count nefaria a dozen new assholes, guess that proves he can kill slade while tied up in under a second.
Back to the fight. She wins the first, he probably wins the second and third, but she has some chances in them too.
Originally posted by 753With all his interaction with street level peak humans people tend to forget that Slade himself is a meta.......a meta with superhuman reflexes( A generally undefined level at that).Not only that, but superhumanly fast perception and a distinct power of superfast deduction and calculation. that has thrwated some of the fastest characters and allowed him to engage several opponents at one time close quarters.
Slade is not fast enough to surprise or outreact SM, flash or WW unless they are crippled by CIS, PIS or WIS. These people have lightspeed, or close to it, reaction times, he has jobber aura. Most of the titans individually could crush him, but they have CIP and PIS preventing them. Flash is a moron.That time slade danced arround in front of SM putting himself in front of a truck while giving a lecture? It was a joke. SM, who just stood there looking like a dope: "oh no he'll kill himself", could have gone tot he moon and back before Slade hit the ground. "His brain and reflexes are so superdooper awesome, he can keep up with wonder woman" sigh... And people complain about wolverine wanking by fans and writers.
DS can successfully employ his powerset and skillset against other street levellers, and is a top tier in the street level that's for sure. But using his PIS filled feats against top tiers, sometimes in groups, to prove that is bullshit. Wolverine has ripped count nefaria a dozen new assholes, guess that proves he can kill slade while tied up in under a second.
Back to the fight. She wins the first, he probably wins the second and third, but she has some chances in them too.
I think the problem is so many people want to lump him together or only slightly above those street levelers who he has occasionally battled.......thing is, slade is on another level altogether.
Originally posted by namorsubby
I think the problem is so many people want to lump him together or only slightly above those street levelers who he has occasionally battled.......thing is, slade is on another level altogether.
I think the problem people have is this.
He can A) either legitimatley outreact SUPERMAN and FLASH
or B) be given trouble fighting NIGHTWING 😐
If he's 'A' then 'B' is impossible, and vice versa. The two cannot possibly co-exist. One must be false.
Alot of people believe he is 'B'. And why shouldnt they?
Originally posted by Juk3n
I think the problem people have is this.He can A) either legitimatley outreact SUPERMAN and FLASH
or B) be given trouble fighting NIGHTWING 😐If he's 'A' then 'B' is impossible, and vice versa. The two cannot possibly co-exist. One must be false.
Alot of people believe he is 'B'. And why shouldnt they?
Nightwing once paid DS off rather than trying to take him down because he knows he can't beat DS one on one. For a while there was a widespread belief on this board that streetlevel MAs could beat Spider-Man due to a perceived lack of skills and some poor showings with Fancy ****ing Dan. Now obviously DS isn't exactly like Spider-Man but just like Spider-Man he's being lowballed and being hoisted by some shitty showings/exaggerations of shitty showings.
Being a Metahuman is a part of DS's character. He has at least 10x human stats in virtually all areas of physical and mental development.
So while DS shouldn't be able to casually outreact Superman or tag the Flash he also shouldn't be thought of as a mere streetlever or someone that Top Tier MAs with no superhuman abilities/gear can beat/stalemate one on one.
Originally posted by namorsubby
With all his interaction with street level peak humans people tend to forget that Slade himself is a meta.......a meta with superhuman reflexes( A generally undefined level at that).Not only that, but superhumanly fast perception and a distinct power of superfast deduction and calculation. that has thrwated some of the fastest characters and allowed him to engage several opponents at one time close quarters.I think the problem is so many people want to lump him together or only slightly above those street levekers who he has occasionally battled.......thing is, slade is on another level altogether.
Guess I am one of those people cause I just dont see it.
Again, the fact that he is a meta, not a peak, means nothing. It's not the label of peak human that defines what these characters can do, it's their feats that define what peak human means.
Problem lies exactly in how poorly defined his superspeed and reflexes are: His speed feats dealing with more objectively measurable things such as bullet dodging, specially after bullets have been fired, blitzing others and racing are not on a league apart from the other elite battle machine street levellers (meta or peak) with a focus on speed. He gets tagged by them all the time too. He is upper crust street leveller and pretty good with prep, sometimes convincingly so, other times not so much.
His feats outreacting Flash and SM on the other hand are just absurd because the flash has shown picosecond reaction times and SM is likely in the nanoseconds. It can only be explained by a blunder on their part or an atempt by the writer to make an exciting story and show a character as a threat. Such feats don't prove he is far above other bullet timers. A more reallistic depiction of how his fights with Impulse should have gone is the quicksilver/mr X fight.
To show this isn't bias, let me cite Logan as an example. He is also a meta and a pretty much indestructible superkiller, but he is still just street level elite like DS. Shove him up against a GL or the Flash and unless they blunder in incomprehensible stupidity, he'll be defeated almost instantly and do no damage at all.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
10x an average human doesnt exactly scream clear superhuman in the comics.. either.being 10x could still be perceived as simply peak human or very low superhuman
A Special Forces Soldier like Slade Wilson isn't an average human anyway. Ten times a Navy Seal/Army Ranger is pretty formidable and certainly above Peak Human.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
was the origin story staed that his powers were ten time his own base or was it said he was simply 10x average human? i am too lazy to look at his respect thread but i am pretty sure which one the scientist said
Either way that gives him superhuman senses, speed, and strength.
I'm pretty weak but if you multiplied me by ten I'd be Peak Human. Now I'm below average. Multiply the average human by ten and you're a fair bit above Peak human, enhanced level even. Slade Wilson meanwhile is a good deal above average. Look at some of the shit Special Forces soldiers pull off in Real Life, some of it approaches what guys like Batman and Cap do in comics. So multiply an Olympic decathlete by ten and you easily have a Metahuman.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
what was slade again recon army ranger? if that is it i am not impressed at all since their elite training and physical exams are below what basic marine training is.. 😱