Re: Re: "Freedom Flotilla" Attacks
Originally posted by Mr Parker
Israel definetely came on shooting unprovoked.The UN should cut off aide to them as should we.
Clearly someone hasn't seen the footage of the attacks which clearly show the Israeli troops being beaten with iron bars before they've even unhooked from the rappel ropes.
Re: Re: Re: "Freedom Flotilla" Attacks
Originally posted by jaden101
Clearly someone hasn't seen the footage of the attacks which clearly show the Israeli troops being beaten with iron bars before they've even unhooked from the rappel ropes.
It was the Israelis using mind control to make the peaceful people on the ship act the way they did. Those evil Israelis. 😂
Re: Re: Re: "Freedom Flotilla" Attacks
Originally posted by jaden101
Clearly someone hasn't seen the footage of the attacks which clearly show the Israeli troops being beaten with iron bars before they've even unhooked from the rappel ropes.
If they hadn´t had illegally entered the boats like pirates there would have had been no need for defensive aggression.
If I had a ship and some people armed with paintball guns attacked my vessel I´d blow them away. They were actually lucky as any sailor will tell you most vessels especially yachts have arms on board.
Again, you cannot just call it illegal. It is actually legal to stop vessels entering a legally declared blockade, so long as you have made sure of their course (which they had).
It's extreme, but it is legal.
Meanwhile, if your pirates were in overwhelming military force nearby you, you'd still be bloody stupid for doing what you just said.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Again, you cannot just call it illegal. It is actually legal to stop vessels entering a legally declared blockade, so long as you have made sure of their course (which they had).It's extreme, but it is legal.
Meanwhile, if your pirates were in overwhelming military force nearby you, you'd still be bloody stupid for doing what you just said.
Do you remember when the three British Naval officers were arrested by the Iranians and were going to be put on trial for espionage?
It's hysterical how the Iranian Government condems the actions of the Israelis on the Floatilla and yet they forget their own wreckless actions.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosWere the people killed with the paintball guns?
And when you're out to kill people you don't arm your soldiers with paintball guns at all.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosWhich they had no rights to do in the first place. I didnt make anything up, the thing is - that's not an evidence, that's a short video that shows activists defending themselvs with a few PIPES and CHAIRS from military troops that boarded they ship and posted a conviniently edited video that in no way excuses a murder of several innocent people and does not prove their ridiculous claims about activists support terrosists and attacking them first for no reason.
First of all you can't base your ire on something you just made up. Secondly it doesn't make it look like they were attacked for no reason, it makes it look they were attacked for landing on the boat.Evidence? Because in this video shot by the activists themselves we see that them attack the soldiers before their feet even touch the deck.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosThe idea of them supporting terrorists is a myth.
The idea of them being peaceful is a myth.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos1. They didnt attack first. 2. Even if they did they had every right to do that seeing how the troops boarded their ships with no right to do so, a thing only some stupid pirates would do. 3. Doesnt make them any less innocent and in no way excuses what the troops did.
The fact they they attacked the soldiers first makes they a lot less innocent. Obviously the Israeli soldiers should have killed anyone but the facts shift things considerably away from Israel as some sort of murderous evil empire.
A state that claims equel rights to everyone but denies people their basic human rights, uses fear and weapons to achieve their goals, kill innocent people (including children) and peacufell demonstrants all the time saying they were "terrorists", destroy entire villages and does not give a rats ass about UN resolutions. It's not an evil empire, its a terrorist state.
Originally posted by Ordo😆 👆
That doesn't conflict at all with my statement. But since it was a dumb analogy that I tried to dismiss in my last post, its not worth continuing.The point is Isreal's deputy foreign minister described the aid group as: “The armada of hate and violence in support of Hamas, a terror organization, was a premeditated and outrageous provocation. The organizers are well known for their ties to global jihad, al Qaeda, and Hamas. They have a history of arms smuggling and deadly terror.â€
Note, this group included ships carrying humanitarian aid, human-rights workers, about a dozen doctors, some 30 journalists, two retired U.S. diplomats (Amb. Edward Peck and Ret. Col. Ann Wright), a Nobel Peace Prize winner (Mairead Maguire), a former U.N. assistant secretary-general (Denis Halliday), and several members of parliament from Ireland, Germany, Sweden, Turkey, and Malaysia.
*facepalm*
FAIL.
Excuse # 1. The people on the ship had weapons and wanted to deliver them to hamas.
And we all know that Hamas (that gets millions of $ from Iran like every month) is completely helpless without 6 iron pipes and an army knife. 😂
Excuse # 2. Israel says it was a provocation. They also say that ships were full of gas bombs and guns.
And we all know that loading your ships full of bombs is the best way to set someone up. 👆
Truth: Israeli troops got on board, murdered several people with the "paintball guns", and posted a montage of other people defending themselvs with the iron pipes and chairs as a "proof" that they're the poor victim here and BAM - they're the good guys again. Well played.
Worded a bit roughly SamZED does make a good point in saying, "A state that claims equel rights to everyone but denies people their basic human rights, uses fear and weapons to achieve their goals, kill innocent people (including children) and peacufell demonstrants all the time saying they were "terrorists", destroy entire villages and does not give a rats ass about UN resolutions."
I'm surprised the media doesn't report on any of the other hundreds of horrors the Israeli's commit everyday in the Gaza Strip.
Regardless of who provoked who the end game is clear: Israel is indeed not afraid to kill people when they see it fit as being necessary, we all know and can agree to that.
This is just more fuel to the fire for Israel, they aren't helping themselves by massacring a bunch of activists.
Originally posted by Liberator
Worded a bit roughly SamZED does make a good point in saying, "A state that claims equel rights to everyone but denies people their basic human rights, uses fear and weapons to achieve their goals, kill innocent people (including children) and peacufell demonstrants all the time saying they were "terrorists", destroy entire villages and does not give a rats ass about UN resolutions."I'm surprised the media doesn't report on any of the other hundreds of horrors the Israeli's commit everyday in the Gaza Strip.
Regardless of who provoked who the end game is clear: Israel is indeed not afraid to kill people when they see it fit as being necessary, we all know and can agree to that.
This is just more fuel to the fire for Israel, they aren't helping themselves by massacring a bunch of activists.
Thanks, man. And agreed, it wasnt a wise thing for Israel to do.
Originally posted by Ms.MarvelPoint out parts of my post that are just my "opinion". I'll be happy to provide proofs and exact numbers in the next post.
wow. in all of that post, you didnt state a single thing that could be considered something thats more than just your opinion. 😐
Originally posted by SamZED
Were the people killed with the paintball guns?Which they had no rights to do in the first place. I didnt make anything up, the thing is - that's not an evidence, that's a short video that shows activists defending themselvs with a few PIPES and CHAIRS from military troops that boarded they ship and posted a conviniently edited video that in no way excuses a murder of several innocent people and does not prove their ridiculous claims about activists support terrosists and attacking them first for no reason.
The idea of them supporting terrorists is a myth.
1. They didnt attack first. 2. Even if they did they had every right to do that seeing how the troops boarded their ships with no right to do so, a thing only some stupid pirates would do. 3. Doesnt make them any less innocent and in no way excuses what the troops did.
A state that claims equel rights to everyone but denies people their basic human rights, uses fear and weapons to achieve their goals, kill innocent people (including children) and peacufell demonstrants all the time saying they were "terrorists", destroy entire villages and does not give a rats ass about UN resolutions. It's not an evil empire, its a terrorist state.
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Excuse # 1. The people on the ship had weapons and wanted to deliver them to hamas.
And we all know that Hamas (that gets millions of $ from Iran like every month) is completely helpless without 6 iron pipes and an army knife. 😂
Excuse # 2. Israel says it was a provocation. They also say that ships were full of gas bombs and guns.
And we all know that loading your ships full of bombs is the best way to set someone up. 👆
Truth: Israeli troops got on board, murdered several people with the "paintball guns", and posted a montage of other people defending themselvs with the iron pipes and chairs as a "proof" that they're the poor victim here and BAM - they're the good guys again. Well played.
well done.great post. 👆 you told it like it was.Yeah you did not make anything up.this is all true what you said.some people are naive around here though and will believe anything Isreal says. 🙄