Originally posted by Liberator
Ah yes how could I have forgotten those Hamas bastards.I was just confused, the article made no mention of the thousands of rockets Israel sends into the Gaza Strip.
Hamas has something in common with Hitler; They both want to exterminate the Jews. Don't confuse the right of a state to defend its people by killing its mortal enemy, with a terrorist group organization with genocide as their goal.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Don't confuse the right of a state to defend its people by killing its mortal enemy,
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
with a terrorist group organization with genocide as their goal.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Oh, you mean the palestinians rights to defend against Israelis?Like the conservative side of Israel's government?
If the Palestinians wished to have peace, they could of had that years ago.
The conservative side of Israel's government? When faced with extremism, extremism is the natural outcome.
How do you deal with someone who will NEVER except peace? The only way is to NEVER give in.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Hamas has something in common with Hitler; They both want to exterminate the Jews. Don't confuse the right of a state to defend its people by killing its mortal enemy, with a terrorist group organization with genocide as their goal.
You want to talk about extermination?! What about the countless Palestinians that have been exterminated by the Israeli's simply for being Palestinian?
Originally posted by Liberator
no they couldn't of... the Israeli's want control over Palestine.I don't agree with Hamas but I do see some points with the PLO (not everything mind you).
Sure, I don agree with everything Israel has done or is doing, but I think there is a legitimate reason why the Israeli's want control over Palestine. Every time Israel gives up even the smallest amount of land or control, they get attacked. The only way to keep Hamas from attacking Israel is to keep weapons out of their hands. If you let ships brake the blockade, then weapons WILL be smuggled in and Israel WILL be attacked again. There is no good option at this point in time.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Hamas has something in common with Hitler; They both want to exterminate the Jews. Don't confuse the right of a state to defend its people by killing its mortal enemy, with a terrorist group organization with genocide as their goal.
what a silly uneducated thing to say. They don´t want to exterminate the Jews they just want them to leave the land they stole and continue to steal from the Palastinians. And what really annoys them even more is that the Israeli government has fabricated a huge prison reminisent of the one in the movie "escape from new york", where a lot of people are sufferning.
Originally posted by Bicnarok
what a silly uneducated thing to say. They don´t want to exterminate the Jews they just want them to leave the land they stole and continue to steal from the Palastinians. And what really annoys them even more is that the Israeli government has fabricated a huge prison reminisent of the one in the movie "escape from new york", where a lot of people are sufferning.
You want to change the past? There is only one way to do that, and that is to kill all the Jews. We cannot go back to 1945, and to use that as an argument is like saying the US has to give America back to the Native Americans. Therefore, your point is the ignorant and uneducated one.
Wrongs of the past cannot be undone by wrongs of the present.
Actually, Palestinians like starving in walled slums of bombed out concrete shells. Guarded with mile long trenches, barbed wire and guard towers. Thats traditional Palestinian interior decorating.
(btw...who are the Nazis again?)
Hamas would not be in power if every Palestinian didnt feel persecuted by Isreal. Hamas builds schools and hospitals, smuggle you food and medicine, and on top of that they launch rockets at the people who killed your family because they just damn well wanted to. Thats a win-win-win-win.
A civilian Palestinian government did none of those things. Why? Israel wouldn't let them. And a bunch of guys with homemade explosives are not a giant threat to one of the most modern militaries on the planet. The bottom line is Israel is a hypochondriac state, the SINGLE party not agreeing to a globally sponsored 2-state solution. They don't care if you are a civilian, foreign or domestic or a militant, they will bomb your house, they will shoot you in the face, evict you by force, and cut off supplies to your settlement.
Israel was belligerent LONG before Hamas ever existed. Israel, a real state hopped up on the aid/military teet of the US, has the responsibility to end the conflict and they are directly refusing to do so. Both sides use shitty tactics, but I can understand the Palestinian cause and the direct oppression they endure. Hamas doesn't oppress Israel. Hamas isn't the one disagreeing to the UN-US-EU solution. Palestinians are the people living in squalor.
At the end of WWII the German's lived in bombed out cities and surrounded by death. Should we have told the allies to go back home and stop killing German people? Or was the condition they lived in their fault for allowing the Nazis power?
If the Palestinians wanted peace, they could of had peace years ago.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Should we have told the allies to go back home and stop killing German people?
Absolutely, screwing over the Germans after defeating them in WWI was the spark for WWII. Not to mention that after you win you're supposed to stop killing people, if you do that you're clearly nuts.
I think he meant should we have told them to go back home BEFORE the war was over. As in, the destruction of Germany was justified in the circumstances.
Sadly, SC, the other issue with what you say is that WWII would not have happened if Europe had been MORE strict with Germany. So not a good one to raise here. Trying to keep the peace was the disaster.