Originally posted by OneDumbG0Though on panel he never proved superiority and the bio is referring to his intentions and it never confirms he's superior to the ig and we saw later far less killed him. What even bios you don't understand.
^ All too easy:You love your precious handbooks now, don't you? After all: kinda
quanchi112: Stop rambling. Although I must concede that your incoherence is a result of your lip bein pimp-slapped by the scan.
If you didn't jabber so incessantly and so unthinkingly , you might have seen this coming. Get over it. By your quandards, Maelstrom w/ Anomaly was immune to the IG's power, operated outside of its prescience and was superior both on-panel and within your precious handbooks confirming as much.
Chew on it for a while. Because its your own tail you chased in circles and finally caught up with here.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0It's not immune to it's effects and we saw far less than what Thanos took on beat Maelstrom.
quanchi112: Stop rambling. Although I must concede that your incoherence is a result of your lip bein pimp-slapped by the scan.If you didn't jabber so incessantly and so unthinkingly , you might have seen this coming. Get over it. By your quandards, Maelstrom w/ Anomaly was immune to the IG's power, operated outside of its prescience and was superior both on-panel and within your precious handbooks confirming as much.
Chew on it for a while. Because its your own tail you chased in circles and finally caught up with here.
The handbook backed up the story when Malestrom went around talking smack because he felt he was superior and later in the story we saw him anything but superior to the ig. You fail yet again and your bio backfired because you didn't understand it again.
^ First, I'm arguing with his double-standards. Second, Quasar didn't defeat Maelstrom at that point. Maelstrom's own manifestation of power, the supermassive blackhole that all the Abstracts were watching, was what defeated Maelstrom.
Originally posted by quanchi112By your logic, it's plain as day that Maelstrom was immune to IG's power. On-panel. Not only that, but the IG's omniscience couldn't even perceive who or what Maelstrom was. On-panel. What we saw on-panel was that Maelstrom w/ Anomaly was superior to Thanos w/ IG:
It's not immune to it's effects and we saw far less than what Thanos took on beat Maelstrom.
Originally posted by quanchi112The handbook backed up the story that Maelstrom was superior. He talked smack because he was immune. You asked for handbook verification and opened your mouth wide for it. That uncomfortable feeling in your jaw is your own rhetoric being repeatedly crammed down through your teeth. This is plain English, and frankly, you asked for it:
The handbook backed up the story when Malestrom went around talking smack because he felt he was superior and later in the story we saw him anything but superior to the ig. You fail yet again and your bio backfired because you didn't understand it again.
After all, we all know what you think about your precious handbooks:
Originally posted by quanchi112Why have a problem with it? kinda
If a handbook confirms what we saw on panel why have a problem with it?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
IG was activated first. On-panel. Magus might very well have caused Quasar to fire the UN upon himself unwittingly. Just because I give you a free pass most of the time when entertaining your idea that Magus manipulated the UN's marble-sized sphere doesn't mean you've proved so. And in any case, Magus activated the IG's power first before the UN's power was activated.Alternate universe. Non-canon. And it only erased Death from that alternate universe from that moment forward. Any argument to the contrary can be met with fierce rebuttal and scans. Don't compromise yourself like that. Size is completely irrespective of nullification potency. Because a blast or laser beam or sphere can nullify an entity's physical form or can nullify that entity's complete past, present and future. Accordingly, I've produced evidence that potency changes irrespective of size. Was it Greunwald's intention to show that Maelstrom w/Anomaly was superior to IG in a vs. matchup? You can answer your question and my question in the same breath with the same answer. Just don't selectively choose where your logic takes you for conveniency's sake. And if you happen to do so, you're not fooling me with your red herrings or deflections. Apply your standards equally or take your self-serving double-standards and stow it. If I didn't read comics, the Ultimate Nullifier would mean sh1t in my hands against Cyclops because I wouldn't know how to use it. Doesn't mean that the Ultimate Nullifer's ultiamte power is stripped of relative meaning compared to Cyclops' power. Stop reaching.
The fact that you all have to argue so strenuously to make a point against my position with one strand of reasoning... and then completely and utterly ignore that same reasoning as it applies to your own position reveals only one thing: you're wrong from the get-go.
Well my friend, you said the IG ATTACKED first, which was my contention. I don't care who activated what first, what matters is, the UN fired and IG (on panel depiction and narration) turned the energies back onto quasar. That is what matters. If the IG fired first quasar would be a box of Sees candy for Magus to eat, anything less would be PIS.
You have NOT ONCE showed that potency of nullification changes with size. There is not one shred of evidence that states this, in fact, all that does change with size is scope and scale NOT potency of nullification. If you feel you have any scan that describes potency changing please post it. You won't and haven't because it doesn't existed.
You keep acting like Maelstrom vs. Thanos is the same as Magus IG vs. Quasar Un but tha is a faulty comparison. First, Maelstrom didn't prove SUPERIOR to Thanos because he tanked one blast. Thanos fired one blast and it seemingly had no effect. Cool, but doesn't prove superiority. Now compare that to.. Quasar fired the UN.... Magus and the IG manipulate the nullification sphere and turn it back on Quasar. Those two situations are vastly different, and you're reaching trying to compare them. In order for it to be sound and comparable, Thanos would have had to fire at Maelstrom.. Maelstrom then reverses that blast and kills Thanos. Then you would have a logically sound comparison, as it is, you're just reaching.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThat is totally crazy. That's like saying the surfer absorbing the Hulk's energy is the same as Absorbing a star's energy. The Potency changes just because of the end results. The Results are what tell us the potency changes. Damn. How hard is that to understand?
Well my friend, you said the IG ATTACKED first, which was my contention. I don't care who activated what first, what matters is, the UN fired and IG (on panel depiction and narration) turned the energies back onto quasar. That is what matters. If the IG fired first quasar would be a box of Sees candy for Magus to eat, anything less would be PIS.You have NOT ONCE showed that potency of nullification changes with size. There is not one shred of evidence that states this, in fact, all that does change with size is scope and scale NOT potency of nullification. If you feel you have any scan that describes potency changing please post it. You won't and haven't because it doesn't existed.
You keep acting like Maelstrom vs. Thanos is the same as Magus IG vs. Quasar Un but tha is a faulty comparison. First, Maelstrom didn't prove SUPERIOR to Thanos because he tanked one blast. Thanos fired one blast and it seemingly had no effect. Cool, but doesn't prove superiority. Now compare that to.. Quasar fired the UN.... Magus and the IG manipulate the nullification sphere and turn it back on Quasar. Those two situations are vastly different, and you're reaching trying to compare them. In order for it to be sound and comparable, Thanos would have had to fire at Maelstrom.. Maelstrom then reverses that blast and kills Thanos. Then you would have a logically sound comparison, as it is, you're just reaching.
Originally posted by lightyeargee
That is totally crazy. That's like saying the surfer absorbing the Hulk's energy is the same as Absorbing a star's energy. The Potency changes just because of the end results. The Results are what tell us the potency changes. Damn. How hard is that to understand?
I see, so you're supporting the notion that something is nullified more potentially because the scale or scope is increased. Of course, I'm sure you have proof of this right? Ooo wait that is right, you nor odg do... Your guys theory is... if you nullify a star and only and star... that is a less potent nullification of said star if you're also nullifying two more stars with that one star.... 😱 The lack of logic in that line of thought is astounding. So the more you nullify the more potently stuff is nullified 😆
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I see, so you're supporting the notion that something is nullified more potentially because the scale or scope is increased. Of course, I'm sure you have proof of this right? Ooo wait that is right, you nor odg do... Your guys theory is... if you nullify a star and only and star... that is a less potent nullification of said star if you're also nullifying two more stars with that one star.... 😱 The lack of logic in that line of thought is astounding. So the more you nullify the more potently stuff is nullified 😆
You're dodging the actual arguments being made and trying to strawman the opposition by projecting unreasonable positions that they have never adopted.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
No ones arguing that, only that power input MUST as a rule of logic increase accordingly as output increases. Ergo the power that goes into nullifying a Multiverse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the power that goes into nullifying a marble. Also the power required to overcome a Multiverse sized Nullification effect must be greater than the power required to overcome a Marble sized effect. So to say that overcoming a Marble effect would be the same as overcoming a Multiverse sized effect is well...retarded.You're dodging the actual arguments being made and trying to strawman the opposition by projecting unreasonable positions that they have never adopted.
Nobody is dodging a thing, and in fact, I've conceded long ago and in fact never argued the point (others haven't) that power input must increase. That stands to reason, if you're nullfying more.. power must be increased to compensate for said increase in scale. Show me one place I argued this point. They are arguing that the nullification properties change somehow.. and stuff is nullified more potently. When in fact, there isn't a shred of evidence supporting this notion. The increase in power is for the increase in volume/area not for increasing the nullification properties.
Originally posted by Mr MasterMr Master I do take your word Sir..but one thing keeps bothering me.. was Sir James Jaspers trully inmune to the celestial nullifier? or was Merlyn afraid the entire Multiverse would colapse as Uatu said?
616 Eternity is the center of all reality,This is why 616 Eternity dies .. the Omniverse dies:
Uatu and the Watchers realized
that nanoseconds after the 616 Reality dies,
the Omniverse will die:
Quoted from Merlyn
"This version of Jaspers. Is too powerful, too dangerous. His counterpart could at least be halted, even if it meant destroying his entire continuum. This one is not so easily containable. And if he cannot be defeated, then the omniverse shall fall into chaos, and a new and hostile god shall play dice with matter."
and what would´ve happened if they fire that Thing on 616.... 😕
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nobody is dodging a thing, and in fact, I've conceded long ago and in fact never argued the point (others haven't) that power input must increase. That stands to reason, if you're nullfying more.. power must be increased to compensate for said increase in scale. Show me one place I argued this point. They are arguing that the nullification properties change somehow.. and stuff is nullified more potently. When in fact, there isn't a shred of evidence supporting this notion. The increase in power is for the increase in volume/area not for increasing the nullification properties.
I understand the argument ODG is trying to make but he is just using the malestrom incident.Just like quan only uses MM incident.The malestrom obviously wasn't a manifestation of IG's true power as we have seen IG take down far more powerful beings.The UN the only thing that is changing is size.I see no reason IG can't win.Ways are
1: Mind-Make the IG user fire on themselves.
2: Space-Teleport the nullification sphere to another universe.
3: Reality-Make the sphere make everything it touches turn to bubbles or simply make it do nothing.Or just manipluate the energies into an atom sized sphere and let it be.
4: Time-Freeze time and take the IG away from user before they fire.
5: Power-As I have said before my understanding is that it would nullify IG but he could simply have the power to leave oblivion.How exactly the UN works is just speculation but that is my understanding.
It seems that whichever person fires first the IG wins.Unless it is a very incompetent IG user I can't see the IG losing.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
I understand the argument ODG is trying to make but he is just using the malestrom incident.Just like quan only uses MM incident.The malestrom obviously wasn't a manifestation of IG's true power as we have seen IG take down far more powerful beings.The UN the only thing that is changing is size.I see no reason IG can't win.Ways are1: Mind-Make the IG user fire on themselves.
2: Space-Teleport the nullification sphere to another universe.
3: Reality-Make the sphere make everything it touches turn to bubbles or simply make it do nothing.Or just manipluate the energies into an atom sized sphere and let it be.
4: Time-Freeze time and take the IG away from user before they fire.
5: Power-As I have said before my understanding is that it would nullify IG but he could simply have the power to leave oblivion.How exactly the UN works is just speculation but that is my understanding.It seems that whichever person fires first the IG wins.Unless it is a very incompetent IG user I can't see the IG losing.
Also I hate how some try to use the incident to project the UN's latter feat from the Abraxas Arc onto the IG. ABC logic at its finest.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI have said before that IG<UN in sheer power but IG wins due to versitility.You also have to take into account that there is a user.The user of the IG has the powers of the IG.The user of the UN does not have the power of the UN.So would you care to say exactly how UN wins even if it fires before the IG?
Defeating a UN user isn't automatically indicative of superior power over the UN itself.Also I hate how some try to use the incident to project the UN's latter feat from the Abraxas Arc onto the IG. ABC logic at its finest.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
I have said before that IG<UN in sheer power but IG wins due to versitility.You also have to take into account that there is a user.The user of the IG has the powers of the IG.The user of the UN does not have the power of the UN.So would you care to say exactly how UN wins even if it fires before the IG?
Originally posted by Omega Vision
If an IG user was sucker-punched by the UN then he'd be Nullified. How do I know this? Well because the highest feat the IG has is supplanting Eternity (616 Eternity) and the UN Nullified the summation of ALL Eternities. At the height of its power the IG is just essentially=to Eternity which the UN can nullify.
Jesus Christ are you this dense really. IG is essentially = to Eternity WTF. I hope you're kidding. You are = to something that you WTF pwn with the greatest of ease. Put the crack pipe down buddy.