Thanos with infinity gems vs Anti monitor

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Did you even read my post?

I'm not saying the IG could manipluate any size of it's energies but there are many ways to stop UN before it is even fired.Or simply tank the blast and then leave as I have said before.

But see that IG wasn't a manifrstation of IG's true power.Same for UN but the only difference was size.It wouldn't nullify it to a greater extent.And if you include the reality gem it could even make it so it just made everything it touched turn to bubbles or even make it do nothing.

A tiny expanding ball of what?IG's power?Thats not even how it works.Thats how UN's powers work not IG's.And UN can be defeated by UN in many different ways. Too bad they were killed.Read the comic.

But none of your arguments apply to the scene given or the actual argument I'm having with quanchi112. So having seen your post now, it's actually off-point. The scene in Infinity War isn't proof of the IG's superior versatility because Quasar wasn't even aware of an active IG and the IG initiated an attack first.

Silver Surfer can have hundreds of different ways of beating someone, but if someone like World Breaker Hulk clubbed him in the back of the head with his strongest punch and Surfer wasn't even aware of his impending attack, is that any measure of World Breaker Hulk's superior versatility? Obviously not. That scene in Infinity War is proof that if an IG user can attack a UN user first... and the UN user isn't even aware of an impending attack, let alone an activated IG, than the IG user will win. Because that's what happened.

Arguing that my mirrored example doesn't apply because that's not how the IG works is wrong. The IG can create a slowly expanding tiny ball of fire. It can do other things as well. If the UN phucked that tiny expanding ball of fire, it wouldn't illustrate crap between the respective power/superiority between the two artifacts. UN doesn't have to manifest its power as a slowly expanding marble-sized null sphere. It can manifest them in several different ways. So acting like that's the only thing the UN could do in such a situation is wrong as well.

These are all red herrings. All of them. Magus w/ IG > Quasar w/ UN, with the stipulation that Magus shoots first and Quasar doesn't know Magus has an IG. I agree with that much because that's what happened on-panel. Stretching that into arguments of versatility or hierarchies of cosmic power levels is several steps too far that absolutely makes no sense as soon as you reverse the situations evenly.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, I didn't see your post actually.

But none of your arguments apply to the scene given or the actual argument I'm having with quanchi112. So having seen your post now, it's actually off-point. The scene in Infinity War isn't proof of the IG's superior versatility because Quasar wasn't even aware of an active IG and the IG initiated an attack first.

Silver Surfer can have hundreds of different ways of beating someone, but if someone like World Breaker Hulk clubbed him in the back of the head with his strongest punch and Surfer wasn't even aware of his impending attack, is that any measure of World Breaker Hulk's superior versatility? Obviously not. That scene in Infinity War is proof that if an IG user can attack a UN user first... and the UN user isn't even aware of an impending attack, let alone an activated IG, than the IG user will win. Because that's what happened.

Arguing that my mirrored example doesn't apply because that's not how the IG works is wrong. The IG can create a slowly expanding tiny ball of fire. It can do other things as well. If the UN phucked that tiny expanding ball of fire, it wouldn't illustrate crap between the respective power/superiority between the two artifacts. UN doesn't have to manifest its power as a slowly expanding marble-sized null sphere. It can manifest them in several different ways. So acting like that's the only thing the UN could do in such a situation is wrong as well.

These are all red herrings. All of them. Magus w/ IG > Quasar w/ UN, with the stipulation that Magus shoots first and Quasar doesn't know Magus has an IG. I agree with that much because that's what happened on-panel. Stretching that into arguments of versatility or hierarchies of cosmic power levels is several steps too far that absolutely makes no sense as soon as you reverse the situations evenly.

No it does not show superior versiltility.But surfer has shown to have higher versitility then WBH just like IG most defintitly has higher versitility then UN.I don't think that is even debateable.

It still confuses me because thats not how either work.Yes IG can create a fireball but the UN nullify a fire ball?Confusing much?Yes it can manifest it in many different ways.I have never doubted that.But IG has many ways to beat UN because the UN needs a user and he can easily overcome the user.

How does him not knowing it was active make a difference?It wouldn't have made him nullify IG to a greater extent.And he wouldn't have made it any larger.It's possible he simply could have tanked the blast.I'm not streching into versitility i'm just doing it because it's because of versitility that IG wins.UN>IG in sheer power but IG wins due to much higher level of versitility.

^ Who cares. Galactus can apparently easily teleport the UN effortlessly out of people's hands. What does that superior "versatility" have to do with how powerful the UN is compared to Galactus or to the IG?

A swiss army knife has more versatility than the UN. Hooray?

IG needs a user too. UN can instantly nullify that user's past which is an easy way to overcome the user. UN's greater versatility is proven how now?

Had Quasar known (and not been such a schnook), he could have shot first and have the effect be instant. He could have shot someone else like Thanos and erase his past, which would erase Magus. And in any case, any red herrings about versatility to save some face for the IG in the face of the UN's exponentially greater power is inapposite to the arguments I'm having with quanchi112.

Wait wait wait how did the IG fire first? What are you talking about here? If that were true then how did the IG manipulate the UN energies back onto quasar? If the IG fired first there would be no quasar or he would be a basketball, take your pick.

You can talk about the size of the nullification all you want, but all you're doing is deflecting from the clear presentation of the comic. Not only that, you're forgetting that an EVEN SMALLER SIZED SPHERE than the one fired at magus, erased Death from ALL universeS. A smaller sized sphere. What does that tell us…. That nullification is nullification and there is nothing you have ever said that changes this fact. Produce one ounce of evidence that the nullification potency changes with size and you may have a point. The problem is you and I both know this is not the case. You can deflect and straw-man all you want but it doesn't change the clear presentation of the comic.

Let me ask you this… do you think Starlin's intention was to show that the IG is superior to the UN in a vs. matchup? You may not like it but that seems clear as day. There weren't the excuses named in the comic you are naming now. Nowhere did it say… if the sphere was larger in size it would've worked on Magus…. Magus beat quasar, the IG didn't beat the UN….potency changes with the size of the nullification sphere. Nothing you have said was ever said in the comic at hand. However, what was said and clear as day, were the following lines that child could comprehend…. Quasar finds out that the word Ultimate has no meaning in this battle… with but a THOUGHT the IG turns the universe most powerful weapon on its user. It couldn't be any more clear than those lines a child could understand. None of the lines (excuses) you mention were ever said, yet what was said, makes it clear which is the superior weapon. Not user on user.. the superior weapon.

I'm sorry if the IG were the Universe's most powerful weapon then why would it say that the UN was?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Your inability to come to grips with your double-standards has everything to do with your reasoning. You make a bald-faced statement that the IG > UN, when the UN is clearly a multiversal power of high order. Of course, the only thing that actually happened in the story they both appeared was IG > UN's marble-sized sphere. And this is the feat you're trying to use to make your argument that the Anti-Monitor loses to the IG? Idiocy.

It's like people arguing that Doom beats MJJ because one time he turned off noob Wanda's hex power back in the day... which means he could just turn off the Omniversal Chaos Wave and therefore, he beats MJJ. Idiocy.

What don't you get about how embarassing your arguments are? Stop ignoring context selectively.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Did you even read my post?

I'm not saying the IG could manipluate any size of it's energies but there are many ways to stop UN before it is even fired.Or simply tank the blast and then leave as I have said before.

But see that IG wasn't a manifrstation of IG's true power.Same for UN but the only difference was size.It wouldn't nullify it to a greater extent.And if you include the reality gem it could even make it so it just made everything it touched turn to bubbles or even make it do nothing.

A tiny expanding ball of what?IG's power?Thats not even how it works.Thats how UN's powers work not IG's.And UN can be defeated by UN in many different ways. Too bad they were killed.Read the comic.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
All hail Mr Master notworthy

🙂

Thanos with ease.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Wait wait wait how did the IG fire first? What are you talking about here? If that were true then how did the IG manipulate the UN energies back onto quasar? If the IG fired first there would be no quasar or he would be a basketball, take your pick.

You can talk about the size of the nullification all you want, but all you're doing is deflecting from the clear presentation of the comic. Not only that, you're forgetting that an EVEN SMALLER SIZED SPHERE than the one fired at magus, erased Death from ALL universeS. A smaller sized sphere. What does that tell us…. That nullification is nullification and there is nothing you have ever said that changes this fact. Produce one ounce of evidence that the nullification potency changes with size and you may have a point. The problem is you and I both know this is not the case. You can deflect and straw-man all you want but it doesn't change the clear presentation of the comic.

Let me ask you this… do you think Starlin's intention was to show that the IG is superior to the UN in a vs. matchup? You may not like it but that seems clear as day. There weren't the excuses named in the comic you are naming now. Nowhere did it say… if the sphere was larger in size it would've worked on Magus…. Magus beat quasar, the IG didn't beat the UN….potency changes with the size of the nullification sphere. Nothing you have said was ever said in the comic at hand. However, what was said and clear as day, were the following lines that child could comprehend…. Quasar finds out that the word Ultimate has no meaning in this battle… with but a THOUGHT the IG turns the universe most powerful weapon on its user. It couldn't be any more clear than those lines a child could understand. None of the lines (excuses) you mention were ever said, yet what was said, makes it clear which is the superior weapon. Not user on user.. the superior weapon.

The Concept of Death was erased from the 9777 Universe
with a nullification sphere the size of a five foot female skeleton.

Which still supports your point that it does not take a cosmic size null sphere,
to erase a Concept from the cosmos.

In fact, Mistress Death's M-body is infinitesimal in comparison with the 9777 Reality,
and yet by erasing her little M-body, Death across that entire Universe was rubbed out.

Eternity/Infinity's M-body are no more than 50' in size, even less really.

Originally posted by lightyeargee

I'm sorry if the IG were the Universe's most powerful weapon then why would it say that the UN was?

Originally posted by Mr Master

Perhaps because the UN is a weapon, while the IG is an artifact. 😖mart:

Originally posted by Omega Vision

An artifact that for most of its appearances is used almost exclusively to pwn people the user doesn't like...not unlike a weapon.

Just look at Dr Strange. 🙂

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wait wait wait how did the IG fire first? What are you talking about here? If that were true then how did the IG manipulate the UN energies back onto quasar? If the IG fired first there would be no quasar or he would be a basketball, take your pick.

You can talk about the size of the nullification all you want, but all you're doing is deflecting from the clear presentation of the comic. Not only that, you're forgetting that an EVEN SMALLER SIZED SPHERE than the one fired at magus, erased Death from ALL universeS. A smaller sized sphere. What does that tell us…. That nullification is nullification and there is nothing you have ever said that changes this fact. Produce one ounce of evidence that the nullification potency changes with size and you may have a point. The problem is you and I both know this is not the case. You can deflect and straw-man all you want but it doesn't change the clear presentation of the comic.

Alternate universe. Non-canon. And it only erased Death from that alternate universe from that moment forward. Any argument to the contrary can be met with fierce rebuttal and scans. Don't compromise yourself like that. Size is completely irrespective of nullification potency. Because a blast or laser beam or sphere can nullify an entity's physical form or can nullify that entity's complete past, present and future. Accordingly, I've produced evidence that potency changes irrespective of size.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me ask you this… do you think Starlin's intention was to show that the IG is superior to the UN in a vs. matchup? You may not like it but that seems clear as day. There weren't the excuses named in the comic you are naming now. Nowhere did it say… if the sphere was larger in size it would've worked on Magus…. Magus beat quasar, the IG didn't beat the UN….potency changes with the size of the nullification sphere. Nothing you have said was ever said in the comic at hand. However, what was said and clear as day, were the following lines that child could comprehend…. Quasar finds out that the word Ultimate has no meaning in this battle… with but a THOUGHT the IG turns the universe most powerful weapon on its user. It couldn't be any more clear than those lines a child could understand. None of the lines (excuses) you mention were ever said, yet what was said, makes it clear which is the superior weapon. Not user on user.. the superior weapon.

The fact that you all have to argue so strenuously to make a point against my position with one strand of reasoning... and then completely and utterly ignore that same reasoning as it applies to your own position reveals only one thing: you're wrong from the get-go.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
An artifact that for most of its appearances is used almost exclusively to pwn people the user doesn't like...not unlike a weapon.

Originally posted by _________
I have no double standards I am discussing one thing which was clearly presented and you deflect into another topic. You know I am right and you are wrong. I always go with the writer's intent whereas you argue based on what you like better.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

The ig can also effect maelstrom indirectly anyways. 😂

^ Yeah. It pretty much was the exact intent of Gruenwald. According to both the comic and the handbooks you love so much.

At least there, Maelstrom tanked a blast effortlessly without having to ambush him forthright and turn the IG back onto Thanos, who received a direct amp/protection to his person. Unlike Magus who ambushed Quasar and apparently couldn't tank nullification, and Quasar receiving no direct amp/protection to his person.

And now it escalates.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yeah. It pretty much was the exact intent of Gruenwald. According to both the comic and the handbooks you love so much.

^ You have the problem with Maelstrom w/ Anomaly's superiority over Thanos w/ IG as confirmed by your precious handbooks, not me.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You have the problem with Maelstrom w/ Anomaly's superiority over Thanos w/ IG as confirmed by your precious handbooks, not me.

^ All too easy:

You love your precious handbooks now, don't you? After all:

Originally posted by quanchi112
If a handbook confirms what we saw on panel why have a problem with it?