Originally posted by OneDumbG0I still have yet to get a hold of the actual comic but from the scans it didn't look very clear to me.I could be completely wrong but as far as reed nullifying the multiverse I didn't see it.I saw him nullify eternity but wouldn't that only be one universe.
^ Are you not satisfied with the actual illustration of it occurring?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I know theres a lot of debate about that multi-eternity thing.And it really doesn't even specifically show one.Whoever is talking just says that a multi-eternity "would" ensure a boundless multiverse.
^ Multi-Eternity. As introduced/explained for the first time in the comic Abraxas first appeared in:
Also where does it say reed nullified multi-eternity/multiverse.I'm not saying it can't i'm just wondering where it has and personally I haven't seen enough proof to believe it.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That was like the first and only time we've seen the term Multi-Eternity used since. Seems like they thought this was a just a bad idea.. .since we have 616 Eternity who gives birth to ALL universeS and is all universeS at once. Kinda sounds multi huh.
The 616 Universe isn't the Marvel Multiverse in of itself, that would just be a retarded belief to hold.
Nor does taking over the 616 Universe and supplanting 616 Eternity make you master of the Multiverse.
Originally posted by Black bolt zYou want a statement instead of a simple illustration. That statement can be found in the five comics that comprise the Abraxas storyline. Read the comics.
I know theres a lot of debate about that multi-eternity thing.And it really doesn't even specifically show one.Whoever is talking just says that a multi-eternity "would" ensure a boundless multiverse.Also where does it say reed nullified multi-eternity/multiverse.I'm not saying it can't i'm just wondering where it has and personally I haven't seen enough proof to believe it.
If you don't think the most obvious pieces of the narrative -- that is (i) Captain Universe explaining on-panel that there's one Eternity for each universe and a Multi-Eternity for the Multiverse, (ii) Reed stating outright on-panel that the UN will destroy the Multiverse when it first enters the story, (iii) Abraxas literally causing the entire Multiverse to fold over on itself on-panel, (iv) the FF navigating the Multiverse on-panel to find the UN, (v) alternate incarnations of heroes from all over the Multiverse arriving to fend off an army of Novas at the climax on-panel, and then (vi) Reed on-panel destroying and recreating the Multi-Eternity that was revealed four issues prior to illustrate the magnitude of the story -- don't completely abrogate the need for Reed to dumb it down to the audience and say, "Hey. BTW, in case you weren't following, we just destroyed the Multiverse. Snoogins." then you're vastly underestimating the intelligence of the audience.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThe Abraxas storyline is the only time we truly see a Multi-Eternity because of how obviously multiversal the entire storyline is. That's the point.
That was like the first and only time we've seen the term Multi-Eternity used since. Seems like they thought this was a just a bad idea.. .since we have 616 Eternity who gives birth to ALL universeS and is all universeS at once. Kinda sounds multi huh.
How other posters are now trying to pigeon-hole the Abraxas storyline's resolution as being a universally relevant one... and then taking an obviously universal story like Infinity Gauntlet and reverse-projecting it into a multiversally relevant one is beyond me. It's completely ass-backwards.
^ I just want to see somewhere where it says in the comic something specifically about reed nullifying the multiverse or multi-eternity.I believe that the nullifier can nullify the multiverse I would just like to see where it says the nullifier did nullify the universe or multi-eternity.Just somewhere where multi-eternity even speaks specifically stating it is multi-eternity.I even believe there is a multi-eternity I just want to be shown if it was nullified.
^ Reed does the actual deed in the third to last page of the storyline. I know what you want. You want the narrative to dumb itself down to the audience, and instead of focusing on the damage done to the entire Multiverse being repaired and settling on the human story of the FF's family being reunited, you wanted Reed or Uatu to spend the last two pages explaining, "By the way. Remember the concept of Multi-Eternity that Captain Universe introduced us to four comics ago? We just destroyed him. And if you've forgotten, that Multi-Eternity represented a Multiverse. That's exactly what I just did a page ago, people. Mark it in your books."
That's about as stupid as Captain America beating Red Skull in the third to last page of a comic and then the writer spending a page for Cap to say, "By the way. I just defeated Red Skull physically through superior strength, resolve, agility and fighting skills. He is defeated now. Unconscious, even. In case you weren't just paying attention to when I just knocked him out on the prior page."
This is what is expected? Honestly?
Well I have yet to get a hold of abraxas as no comic book stores anywhere near me have it.
I wouldn't want it dumbed down but I would want it to say something like the watcher saying specifically multiverse.I know at least a universe but I just didn't specifically see the word multiverse for being nullified.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Those are inventive comparisons...
^ Reed does the actual deed in the third to last page of the storyline. I know what you want. You want the narrative to dumb itself down to the audience, and instead of focusing on the damage done to the entire Multiverse being repaired and settling on the human story of the FF's family being reunited, you wanted Reed or Uatu to spend the last two pages explaining, "By the way. Remember the concept of Multi-Eternity that Captain Universe introduced us to four comics ago? We just destroyed him. And if you've forgotten, that Multi-Eternity represented a Multiverse. That's exactly what I just did a page ago, people. Mark it in your books."That's about as stupid as Captain America beating Red Skull in the third to last page of a comic and then the writer spending a page for Cap to say, "By the way. I just defeated Red Skull physically through superior strength, resolve, agility and fighting skills. He is defeated now. Unconscious, even. In case you weren't just paying attention to when I just knocked him out on the prior page."
This is what is expected? Honestly?
Originally posted by Black bolt zYou wouldn't want it dumbed down "more" you mean? The FF actually go to alternate universes on-panel for several issues to find the Ultimate Nullifier, the Omniversal Guardian Roma is engaged in the crisis, Reed actually says the Ultimate Nullifier will destroy the combned realities of the Multiverse, Multiverse is mentioned a dozen times leading right up to the climax:
Well I have yet to get a hold of abraxas as no comic book stores anywhere near me have it.I wouldn't want it dumbed down but I would want it to say something like the watcher saying specifically multiverse.I know at least a universe but I just didn't specifically see the word multiverse for being nullified.
... and somehow you needed Uatu to say, "Reed. You just destroyed the Multiverse." As if... him not saying that suggests, "Well... forget everything that was just illustrated and stated for five entire issues, Reed... you only destroyed the universe." Really? The Abraxas story only had a universal resolution in spite of all the above... while Infinity Gauntlet that didn't involve alternate reality characters, didn't involve alternate universes, didn't even mention Multiverse once in its entirety or in any on-panel remembrances of it thereafter... that story had a Multiversal resolution?
Originally posted by Black bolt zI wouldn't want it dumbed down but I would want it to say something like the watcher saying specifically multiverse.I know at least a universe but I just didn't specifically see the word multiverse for being nullified.
There is No on panel or handbook reference (even an allusion)
that even remotely states that Reed nullified or did anything to the Multiverse directly.
What we do have is Reed stating that Abraxas can collapse the Multiverse with the UN,
NOT Reed himself.
Abraxas is Eternity's opposite,
so of course an entity of that magnitude can accomplish said feat.
What Reed did that was impressive was nullify Abraxas,
which in turn restored the Multiverse to its proper alignment
as the official Ultimate Nullifier Handbook bio states:
Reed with the UN NEVER destroyed/recreated the Multiverse.
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Abraxas' 2006 bio states that "Reed nullified the Universe itself,"
but then "the Universe RESTORED ITSELF to its previous normality"
Reed with the UN NEVER destroyed/recreated the Multiverse.
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That said:
This is from the Abraxas arc as well! "😉
Here's Roma talking about ... 'multi' Eternity ... or "Eternity"
or ... the Universe being 'multi' Eternity or Eternity is 'multi' The Universe. ... 🤨
"To comprehend The Universe is no easy task,
suffice to say, I tend to a creature known as Eternity
within it Exists ALL That Ever Was, Ever Is, or Ever Will Be"
Now, yea,
we know Roma means the Omniverse (all Marvel Universes)
cause that's what "ALL That Ever Was, Ever Is, or Ever Will Be" ... is to her.
Here we see Roma conjuring an image of the infinite Earths she's referring to:
Hey, no mention of "multi" "mega" or "omni" Eternity ...
just Eternity ... just The Universe
😐
** WHY? ***
Because there is no "multi" Eternity.
That name was given to Eternity by Captain Universe,
in order to differentiate Eternity from it's aspects.
But what some here have ignored, is that Captain Universe
called this so-called "multi" Eternity ... "Eternity"
he also called this so called "multi" Eternity .. "The Universe",
he did so, on the very SAME splash page where he calls 616 Eternity "multi" ...
Reed (in the Abraxas arc) also called 'multi' Eternity, ... just .... "Eternity"
crazy
^ No. Unfortunately, the only thing you're doing is you're now attacking the very basis for your very own reverse-projection that the IG is multiversal. That when Eternity is shown, it actually shows the representation/power of every Eternity across the Multiverse. Except, we don't discover this Eternity, that is actually Multi-Eternity, until the Abraxas storyline. And this Multi-Eternity is explained to us in quite a simple fashion. From Captain Universe's dumbed-down explanation to the Multiversal damage/adventures that take place... both of which occur during Abraxas.
You're now arguing that when Eternity is shown, it isn't a representation of every Eternity across the entire Multiverse... ? lolwut? How you ended up trying so hard to demolish the very basis for your own reverse-projection of the IG's multiversal relevane is a foray into the bizarre. No way I can take credit for that.
Or are you now just arguing that every Eternity we see -- except for the one we see in Abraxas -- is a representation of every Eternity across the entire Multiverse? Even though the Abraxas storyline is the only one that clearly explained that there is a Multi-Eternity that represents the Multiverse? How did you manage to do that?
Originally posted by Black bolt zOh. Here:
What?Just asking.Where can you show that reed nullified multi-eternity?
