Mr Master: Also... (having now read more closely) how did you justify the UN only nullified the 616 universe when it nullified Abraxas instead of nullifying the Multiverse... when Abraxas was causing Multiversal damage outside the 616 universe?
This is a separate inquiry aside from all the contradictions and inadequacies that your argument presents.
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616 Eternity has been an entity with the power over UniverseS
since way back in the day:
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late 70's
Dr Strange would know, he met and witnessed 616 Eternity's grandeur:
Eternity is Time incarnated ...
When he raises a Hand which holds whole universeS withIN it,
Past Present and Future"
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Undeniable proof that 616 Eternity, is the same Eternity from the Dormammu arc!
Eternity asks:
"Who dares intrude ... upon Eternity" ~~~> No "multi" no "mega" no "omni" just Eternity.
Dormammu answers:
"It is I ... Dormammu"
Eternity replies:
"We have met BEFORE"
hm
And when did Dormammu ever met Eternity?
** Back in the day when Dormammu dared face 616 Eternity ***
** And yes, it's confirmed in 616 Eternity official Marvel Handbook bio of 2006 ** (and any other year you wish to summon)
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** So WHAT'S the BIG DEAL about this 616 Eternity in the Dormammu arc **
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"This is the blood of one who is perhaps the single most powerful entity in all the Multiverse!"
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Dormammu transcends from the Dimension of Manifestations, into the 616 Reality.
What is the power of 616 Eternity?
"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"
(Infinity is part of this, but sometimes she's depicted, sometimes not, many times Eternity is both)
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Make no mistake ... Dormammu is speaking about conquering the Multiverse,
by conquering 616 Eternity. ✅
"It always comes down to
conquering The Universe ... well, Multiverse in my case.
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In fact, ALL UNIVERSES!!! (by conquering 616 Eternity)
"I will soon be lord of All Universes"
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Is this a surprise?
Of course not ..
Roma, the Omniversal Guardian clearly explained that Eternity The Universe contains ...
(well, read for yourselves) ... from the Abraxas arc ...
"To comprehend The Universe is no easy task,
suffice to say, I tend to a creature known as Eternity
within it Exists ALL That Ever Was, Ever Is, or Ever Will Be"
^ Great. More spam, still no substance. Very revealingly, no scans from Infinity Gauntlet itself. 616 Eternity = 616 universe. Any Eternity that obviously represents the Multiverse = Multi-Eternity. Any Eternity that obviously represents a single universe = Eternity of that single universe.
Who shows up in Infinity Gauntlet and Infinity War? 616 Eternity.
How does the Eternity that shows up in Abraxas not represent Multi-Eternity? Blatant ignorance.
And still no explanations for the deficiencies pointed out.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThis is nice and all but, Why can't one just beat Eternity 616 who is the axis and most powerful of all abstracts and there by use his power beat all other eternities? Still not the Multi Eternity. Makes no sense for a singular 616 being to be the multiverse. Why are there 616 versions of beings like Galactus and Thanos if the universe they belong to is really a multiverse?
.................................................................................................** [b]So WHAT'S the BIG DEAL about this 616 Eternity in the Dormammu arc
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"This is the blood of one who is perhaps the single most powerful entity in all the Multiverse!"
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Dormammu transcends from the Dimension of Manifestations, into the 616 Reality.
What is the power of 616 Eternity?
"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL This -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"(Infinity is part of this, but sometimes she's depicted, sometimes not, many times Eternity is both)
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Make no mistake ... Dormammu is speaking about conquering the Multiverse,
by conquering 616 Eternity. ✅"It always comes down to
conquering The Universe ... well, Multiverse in my case..................................................................................................
In fact, ALL UNIVERSES!!! (by conquering 616 Eternity)
"I will soon be lord of All Universes"
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Is this a surprise?
Of course not ..
Roma, the Omniversal Guardian clearly explained that Eternity The Universe contains ...(well, read for yourselves) ... from the Abraxas arc ...
"To comprehend The Universe is no easy task,
suffice to say, I tend to a creature known as Eternity
within it Exists ALL That Ever Was, Ever Is, or Ever Will Be" [/B]
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Now for anybody else who has read Infinity Gauntlet or its companion pieces, I'd imagine that underlined fact is blatantly obvious. But maybe you don't have it front of you, or your memory is dim, or you just simply want scans. So here are a select few, among hundreds, that (a) characterize the Infinity Gauntlet as universal, (b) referenced Thanos and Warlock when they possessed the 616 IG as supreme beings of the [616] universe, and (c) define the Eternity that appeared as a universal 616 Eternity.
^ Great. More spam, still no substance. Very revealingly, no scans from Infinity Gauntlet itself. 616 Eternity = 616 universe. Any Eternity that obviously represents the Multiverse = Multi-Eternity. Any Eternity that obviously represents a single universe = Eternity of that single universe.Who shows up in Infinity Gauntlet and Infinity War? 616 Eternity.
(i) From the very first page of Infinity Gauntlet #1, Thanos' own monologue states outright "Anything you wish, is. Nothing in this universe dares challenge that claim." (ii) Later on, while describing the IG's power, it is "More powerful than any force in the universe."
(iii) How does Epoch reference the crisis in Infinity Gauntlet #2? "One who has made clear to me just how perilous this universe's current situation is!" (iv) How does Warlock characterize the peril? "One who may be able to save your reality from the insanity that is Thanos. . . . The only hope your universe has is the banding of all champions..." (v) And just how is IG-Thanos' status described later on in that very same issue? "The supreme being of this universe and reality."
(vi) How does Adam Warlock describe himself when he had the IG in Warlock and the Infinity Watch #1? "My very status as this reality's supreme being assures my perfection." (vii) And ruminating on it later in issue #2, "My period as this reality's supreme being has been a shattering experience." And again in issue #3, "I, Adam Warlock, once this plane of existence's end-all and be-all."
And moving on to Eternity... what exactly is Eternity in this storyline of clearly universal significance as CLEARLY illustrated above? Does he represent the 616 universe? Or does he represent the entire Marvel Multiverse from the 134 universe to the 9150 universe? (viii) Let's take a look at the first time he actually shows up to duel IG-Thanos in Infinity Gauntlet #5. "To reclaim that which is mine and myself. Control of this reality!"
(ix) What did Thanos do after beating him? "Thanos has now thoroughly usurped Eternity's rightful position as the center of all reality in this sphere. . . a valiant effort to save this plane of existence has failed."
(x) Later on in Warlock and the Infinity Watch #1, how does Eternity again describe himself? "Do I not represent all that is this universe?"
(xi) And again, "Am I not the embodiment of all there is in this universe? Who better to have complete control of this reality?"
Can any of these scans be translated as if the IG was supreme power over every single alternate universe? Any mention of Multiverse? Any mention that Eternity represents universeS? Or the Multiverse? Seriously? And the above-scenes from the Infinity Sagas are supposed to be multiversally relevant, while Abraxas isn't? That's a phucktarded level of ass-backwards.
Infinity Gauntlet clearly dealt with a universal threat, a universal artifact, and an Eternity that represented the single 616 universe. Abraxas clearly dealt with a multiversal threat, a multiversal artifact, and an Eternity that represented all alternate universes, i.e., Multi-Eternity.
That's all there is to it. No amount of wishful thinking, misguided minsinterpretation or wordplay crusades changes the plain presentation of both storylines.
I thought it was obvious that:
a) The Infinity Gauntlet in that arc was for all purposes Universal.
b) That the Eternity that appeared during that arc was the embodiment of the 616.
Marvel even recently showed that each Universe has an Infinity Gauntlet and that a Universes Infinity Gauntlet power is limited to it's own Universe. I believe it was during the Council of Reed Richard's arc in Fantastic Four.
616 is the main and most important sphere.
back to the thread......
if the ig is indeed powerless, are you guys arguing that it will be powerless in the arena or that AM is somehow superior to it's power?
hopefully not the latter cause that may be wrong if the thing is still functional, not saying he beats AM with a snap or whatever, but he could still do damage per coie fight, let alone the "current" anti-monitor being a pale version of his 80's one
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Indeed, the concept of the 616 IG giving control over all universes
was actually introduced by Starlin himself during Infinity Gauntlet:
Thanos clearly pointed out "THIS" (616) and "and All Other" (UniverseS) ...
So ... flip a coin or choose a side.
(I'll lean towards the IG ruling all Universes,
especially since it's the power of the 616 IG which created the Omniverse to begin with)
(This took place withIN the Multiverse that houses the 616 Reality)
This truth was even stated in another entirely separate Multiverse:
(This took place withIN the Multiverse that houses the Ultraverse Reality)
** Enough with this IG is but a Universal drivel **
Originally posted by lightyeargeeThis pretty much seals the deal. The Ig is clearly universal.
Magus created a Duplicate 616 Universe with 5 CCUs.
Then Magus began to merge the 616 Universe, with this Duplicate 616 Universe.
(it would've taken hours he said) using the CCUs
So ...
Then Magus used the IG to instantly merge the 616 Universe, with the Duplicate.
(from a third separate Universe FAR away from 616) ... the Magus' stronghold.
That feat alone stomps the 616 IG being "universal" bull shit
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingYou're getting confused here. Quasar was not the only one who's inexperience here with their weapon at hand. Magus' has just gotten the IG to operate when Quasar pulled the trigger. An inexperienced Magus with an incomplete IG, with but a mere thought, prevented the Nullification energy from erasing his citadel and confining it to just Quasar. Quasar pulled the trigger and did everything right, the IG gave Magus' power over the nullification energy.
There is no short comings in that fight. Both were inexperience (with Magus having an incomplete weapon), and the point of those panels were to show off the IG's power. It even states it on there that "a champion learns the word ULTIMATE carries little weight in this current contest of titans." The UN words to concentrating on your target and pulling the trigger, making sure that's all you think about. Anything else would result in a mushroom effect.
Funny thing being PG Thor couldn't even get pass Thanos, who himself couldn't get pass a skyfather. And Zom? Zom was binded by Eternity and Dormammu. Where does it say Zom lay waste to Eternity? Zom got blown away like the wind just at the presence of LT.
Adept IG users have pimp slapped Eternity and every other cosmics save LT.
LOL. What's the limitation again? That he's never used it before? Like Reed has ever used it before. And why are you scuffing at him merging two universes? 5 Cubes that created a universe along with 25 other Cubes were still below the IG. Let's ignore that as well.
His goal was to fire it and destroy the Magus' stronghold and only it. What does that look like to you in these scans? He fired it.
Quasar #40 ... Infinity Gauntlet #5
