Mega Man X v.s. Dante

Started by Demonic Phoenix8 pages
Originally posted by BloodRain
True. Can he fight at 5+ constantly?
That slow-motion effect is widely used in DMC3. Eg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_53jO8Ht7Yt 2:28. And Mach 5 for an instant running down the Temen-ni-gru also supported by relative speed increase.

IIRC, he can if he wishes to. Mega Man has no problems hitting him as well.

Originally posted by BloodRain
IF he charge's it up ^^ Not important but how-ish tall is Mega?

5 feet 2 inches approx. Give a couple of inches since I think his height is slightly increased in Maverick Hunter.
His fully charged X-Buster shots are typically bigger than he is in terms of height. They change if he has different armors equipped.

Originally posted by BloodRain
No doubt that X's durability is higher, what I'm driving at is that Dante or his DT forms can take on strong hits unscathed (From Nero's punches to beams and power-pokes) so the hits that Mega lands wont be fatal.

They'll still hurt Dante. Not as much as they usually would though, seeing as Dante is drunk and all.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Was under that impression that he could only equipt one of those armours at a time, havnt seen him use several at once. Of what you mentioned only the gravity one poses a threat though there are counters. Timestop/timestop. Elements/elemental weapons and has faced the elements. Shields/Demon Aura or Royal Guard. Soul clones/Shadow clones. And Yamato has the 'can cut all' notion going for it against X' hide.
Lets pray he can hold his booze then.

Yeah, only one armor at a time, but he can change armors if he wants, or he can simply unequip his current armor and then equip a new one in a second.
His Falcon Armor gives him flight capabilities, but that's the X5 version.
If X has Zero's saber, he should have no problems cutting through anything Dante has as well.
With the Hyper (Max) Armor from X3, the range of the Saber is increased drastically, and it becomes a long-range weapon (sends out a cutting energy wave)
His Fourth Armor gives him access to the Nova Strike (a quick, long-reaching dash), during which he is completely invincible. His Ultimate Armor (X4-X6) gives him unlimited access to the Nova Strike, so if he equips the UA, all he technically has to do is to spam NS over and over again.
He can also teleport, though I don't know the specifics on that move. (How good is Dante's teleportation again?)

Dante has absolutely no means of hurting X at all.

None.

Originally posted by BloodRain
True. Can he fight at 5+ constantly?
That slow-motion effect is widely used in DMC3. Eg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_53jO8Ht7Yt 2:28. And Mach 5 for an instant running down the Temen-ni-gru also supported by relative speed increase.
Thank you for the vid. It does suggest a speed difference between Virgil and his enemies, but nothing that supports Mach 5+ movement speeds. Really, the slow motion seems applied to add style to the battle (like in the 300, MiII, and just about every other modern action movie).

Can you provide more information about Dante running down the tower?

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
5 feet 2 inches approx. Give a couple of inches since I think his height is slightly increased in Maverick Hunter.
By Mega Man X: Command Mission, X is about 5' 4". His body seems to possess the ability to grow taller and other reploids have demonstrated this as well the ability to age to physical maturity.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
His Fourth Armor gives him access to the Nova Strike (a quick, long-reaching dash), during which he is completely invincible. His Ultimate Armor (X4-X6) gives him unlimited access to the Nova Strike, so if he equips the UA, all he technically has to do is to spam NS over and over again.
There's also the X8 Ultimate armor and the Command Mission Ultimate Armor. The X8 UA allows him to use all his special weapons an unlimited number of times, including the charged versions. It also allows him to use a nigh-instant-kill (reduces the enemies life to 1 HP), invulnerable Nova Strike. The CM UA allows X to fly and shield himself, as well as fire more missiles and beam weapons than an entire sci-fi military.

And I should point out that a composite X would not only be able to access all his armors, but could stack the effects from his weapons. He could stop time, go intangible, switch gravity, and fire rapid fire charge shots.

Time for some durability questions. What are Dante's best durability feats? Has he survived a neutron missile detonation from ground zero? A nuclear missile? When has he taken the firepower of the energy weapons and sabers that are routinely thrown around in the X series?

That slow-motion effect is widely used in DMC3.
Yeah, it is a commonly used effect, even for characters who are nowhere near as fast as it implies. 😛 It's just not very concrete.

@DP: Limited. Gameplay shows it as 5m+ but fast with no before or after lag. Also be used in succession.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
Thank you for the vid. It does suggest a speed difference between Virgil and his enemies, but nothing that supports Mach 5+ movement speeds. Really, the slow motion seems applied to add style to the battle (like in the 300, MiII, and just about every other modern action movie).

Can you provide more information about Dante running down the tower?


Difference is that the surrounding are in slow motion while the person is at normal speed. If everything was slowed by the same amount then it would be like those movie scenes, that's not the case here when the ones in question are moving at normal speed when everything else seems to be at a fraction of its speed.

He starts by running faster then his dive freefall, 250~m/s, he then throws his sword while running and assuming its a human level 50m/s the sword was 300~m/s. Runs faster(300~) and shoots a bullet (400~) thats moving 700~m/s which hits the sword and pushes that along to 1000~m/s. (Mach3) Finally Dante runs near twice that when he catches up with it. Hence casually Mach5. Serious and in DMC4/2, the 5000 I said fits in right.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
By Mega Man X: Command Mission, X is about 5' 4". His body seems to possess the ability to grow taller and other reploids have demonstrated this as well the ability to age to physical maturity.

Kewl.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
There's also the X8 Ultimate armor and the Command Mission Ultimate Armor. The X8 UA allows him to use all his special weapons an unlimited number of times, including the charged versions. It also allows him to use a nigh-instant-kill (reduces the enemies life to 1 HP), invulnerable Nova Strike. The CM UA allows X to fly and shield himself, as well as fire more missiles and beam weapons than an entire sci-fi military.

And I should point out that a composite X would not only be able to access all his armors, but could stack the effects from his weapons. He could stop time, go intangible, switch gravity, and fire rapid fire charge shots.


Even if this composite form has access to all he armours he can only wear one at a time.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Time for some durability questions. What are Dante's best durability feats? Has he survived a neutron missile detonation from ground zero? A nuclear missile? When has he taken the firepower of the energy weapons and sabers that are routinely thrown around in the X series?

Well I don't think he's taken energy weapons from the X series as.... he's not from that series >.> Durability isn't on X's level, nor does Dante have many showings of it. (Usually doesn't get caught in those situations.) Resisting electrocution, being frozen, hell/fire and soul absorption. Only relevant one is taking 20ish Iwanttokillyou punches to the face by Nero who can hold back the entire Savior, and smirks when he takes it. Lets see, his Aura can swat away strong shots and disintegrate stone. And DT blah blah the question isnt if Dante's competes with Mega's, its if the attacks of X that manage to hit him can take him down before he heals back up. Like if he gets the chance to shoot him, he'll be healed back up long before he gets that second shot. (From below v Majin form doesn't take damage and Sparda makes the DT unlimited for what he can take.)

-> Was meant to go somewhere... or to someone <.<: Dante with the Sparda blades power in Majin form amped by Devil hearts+Wearing Gilgamesh for a charged Just attack at the same time using a charged Rebellion or more likely Yamato. Thats flight, large speed, durability and regen increase, massive strength increase, impregnable body with a strong aura cloaking him. With the sword that can pretty much cut anything.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Dante has absolutely no means of hurting X at all.

None.

More durability wanking 🙄

Dante can hurt X with:

Yamato (cuts virtually anything including fabric of dimensions)
Cerberus (can go absolute zero)
Gilgamesh (busted a gigantic monolith with it)
Ifrit (uses hellfire which is hotter than a volcano)
Charged Ebony & Ivory shots (killed high-level demons)
Pandora (wiped out a group of Dagons)
Sparda (including Devil Trigger attacks)

Originally posted by Acrosurge

Time for some durability questions. What are Dante's best durability feats? Has he survived a neutron missile detonation from ground zero? A nuclear missile? When has he taken the firepower of the energy weapons and sabers that are routinely thrown around in the X series?

Dante's greatest durability feat was when he was in his Sparda form. He got skewered by a couple of energy lances, got smacked into the ground by Mundus, and got struck by a barrage of meteors and still managed to be able to fight. Still not on X's level.

I just want to note that Neutron missiles are typically designed to destroy biological targets via neutron radiation, and not explosive force. They can leave building intact while killing everyone inside.

Just saying I would not expect it to kill a reploid.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I just want to note that Neutron missiles are typically designed to destroy biological targets via neutron radiation, and not explosive force. They can leave building intact while killing everyone inside.

Just saying I would not expect it to kill a reploid.

While this is true, a neutron missile detonation still produces between 146 terajoules and 209 TJ at the detonation point. X being able to walk through a 35 to 50 kiloton explosion completely untouched ain't bad at all. And less we forget, in Mega Man ZX, two humans were able to weather one of Protectus's nukes at ground zero when protected by X's DNA.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Dante can hurt X with:

Yamato (cuts virtually anything including fabric of dimensions)
Cerberus (can go absolute zero)
Gilgamesh (busted a gigantic monolith with it)
Ifrit (uses hellfire which is hotter than a volcano)
Charged Ebony & Ivory shots (killed high-level demons)
Pandora (wiped out a group of Dagons)
Sparda (including Devil Trigger attacks)


It came to me that Ifrit being hellfire (centre of the Earth temperature) would be above what Megaman's taken heat wise. Others are effective as well.

Seems like X is the new top dog of the Games VS forum.

X's versatility is what gives him the edge in this fight.
He's got loads of armors he can equip, and countless hax power-ups.

I don't see Dante's speed as a problem for 'im since he can stop time for a short period, just enough time for him to spam Dante with his Nova Strike if he was donning his Ultimate Armor.
Though I think the Ultimate Armor is overkill.

Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
More durability wanking 🙄

Dante can hurt X with:

Yamato (cuts virtually anything including fabric of dimensions)
Cerberus (can go absolute zero)
Gilgamesh (busted a gigantic monolith with it)
Ifrit (uses hellfire which is hotter than a volcano)
Charged Ebony & Ivory shots (killed high-level demons)
Pandora (wiped out a group of Dagons)
Sparda (including Devil Trigger attacks)

-Lol get that shit outta here. It couldn't even cut through the Rebellion sword, which has no special abilities whatsoever.

-Example of this temperature usage. Not convinced of its effectiveness being on par with actual absolute zero on claim alone.

-Less than a nuclear explosion by far.

-Not as hot as a nuclear explosion.

-'high-level demons'. Don't title wank. They have nothing to demonstrate as impressive durability wise.

-Pandora. That useless shit. Nuclear explosion > that.

-Nuclear explosion > Sparda.

Only some armours are effective here and time stop vs time stop is pointless so his speed is still a large edge here. With that speed he'll be getting many more changes to score a fatality.

Though I think Dante can win this, overall Megaman is probably in the top list in the VG world. (Besides deities)

I really don't see how he can win this at all.

Pretty sure Quickman >>>>>>>>>> Dante, and X is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quick Man.

Are referring to who's faster or who can beat who? Is confusing.

Because Quickman can't beat/isn't faster then Dante, but X can beat Quickman but isn't faster.

When did Dante move at Mach 5?

Posted the examples on page 1 or 2.

Edit: Goes Mach 5 casually, can go past 15 when serious. And all in his weakest form and before he was awakened. Mach 15 easy.. (And without using DT that makes him faster.)

So it's based on casual Dante vs serious Dante? That's lame as hell. 😐

You're not also basing this on some rain thing are you?

..where is it suggested that it based on that? It's an observation. When he's normal he shows movements at Mach 5. When he's serious (vs Vergil) he moves at 15. The casual/serious thing is for those that doubt the rain scene based on him not doing it all the time.

Yes, I am. Problem?

All of that is pretty lame. Dante vs Vergil is supposed to be Mach 15?

Edit: So, I just watched a Dante vs Vergil battle. None of it looked that fast, but I can't see shit on that video, so, yeah. Then I see something where it looks like he's falling, but I assume that was the running down the wall thing you pointed out, which looks like he just broke the sound barrier. So, Mach 1.

Calculations have been done by a few people on the scene where they move at human speed when the rain appears to have stopped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_FPrVcnauY 1:05
5m/s rain. (When 10m/s is what rain really falls at and should be used.)
Moving in the scene at 0.001m/s.
5/0.001=5000.

When running down he was moving around 2000m/s (worked out by speed relativity), well above Mach 1. Has moved faster that 'Mach 1' several times. And again, this is DMC3 pre-awakened Dante. Post DMC2 Dante would be far above even this... but to be fair I'll leave it as it is..