Originally posted by Mindsetwell, no one is saying because vegeta is more powerful than nappa, therefore he beat thor
Within the DBZ universe.
what we're saying is that if nappa was able to catch machine gun fire, then vegeta, a superior saiyan is capable of the same. I don't see whats wrong with that.
Originally posted by Starscream MBecause you're saying more than that, which leads to deductive fallacies.
well, no one is saying because vegeta is more powerful than nappa, therefore he beat thorwhat we're saying is that if nappa was able to catch machine gun fire, then vegeta, a superior saiyan is capable of the same. I don't see whats wrong with that.
Originally posted by Mindsetno, I'm not saying more than that. I'm saying exactly that.
Because you're saying more than that, which leads to deductive fallacies.
And I'm opposed to using abc logic for unique powers, ie buu's scream breaking reality is a unique power that doesn't mean that mystic gohan (a being more powerful than buu) could replicate
jake is just being stubborn
Yeah, Vegeta's Arm gets broken easily by a weak ass kick, he's far more durable than Thor. There's no way Mjolnir, one of the most powerful weapons in the world, wielded by one of the most powerful beings in the world, would break Vegeta's neck or cave in his entire chest.
Originally posted by Starscream M
jake is just being stubborn
By holding all these fictional characters by the same basis and method of debating?
Or by showing and mentioning dozens of feats that show Thor being superior to Cell or Vegeta?
Originally posted by marwash22
YouTube videoYeah, Vegeta's Arm gets broken easily by a weak ass kick, he's far more durable than Thor. There's no way Mjolnir, one of the most powerful weapons in the world, wielded by one of the most powerful beings in the world, would break Vegeta's neck or cave in his entire chest.
That was a weaker Vegeta than what would be used in a debate (assuming he begins powered up at maximum) to be fair. Still, Thor's striking power with Mjolnir is going to mess up the Z Fighters. Pretty sure Celestials are more durable than people like Cell and the others.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankWeakest-form Frieza casually busted a planet. Just because Android 17 never did, doesn't mean he can't. I hope nobody's making the argument that Android 17 somehow has less powerful energy attacks/stamina than weakest-form Frieza...
Did 17 ever casually bust a planet? And I assume you mean via energy attacks. Attacks that, yep, Thor can stop.
^ DBZ characters have affected each other more with physical attacks than with energy attacks at times. This false distinction between physical force and energy force doesn't hold water.
And yes, the DBZ warriors did get more physically durable as time went along. There were times when a punch by pre-SSJ Goku would have drawn blood from pre-SSJ Vegeta. Arguing that same punch would in any way hurt SSJ2 Vegeta is nonsense.
^ I haven't taken the time to measure just how respectively strong they are against each other. Because doing so to sufficiently satisfy the inexplicably exacting standards Dragonball critics have would involve a painstaking process of measuring levels of various characters (and their own respective incarnations) in the areas of power, speed, durability, and strength on top of something that we have on-panel directly measured, i.e., planet busting weakest-form Frieza, machine gun bullet-catching Roshi.
It's not like we have anything to give us a rough measure of just how strong these Dragonball characters are compared to a normal human... like... a numerical-based power level system... pssh...
Originally posted by marwash22
YouTube videoYeah, Vegeta's Arm gets broken easily by a weak ass kick, he's far more durable than Thor. There's no way Mjolnir, one of the most powerful weapons in the world, wielded by one of the most powerful beings in the world, would break Vegeta's neck or cave in his entire chest.
Weak ass kick? 18 was stronger than Vegeta 😐 When you say "world" do you mean Marvel Earth? 18 was well above Vegeta and Trunks.