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Find Your Own Fire
Originally posted by marwash22
So, in short... no. You have no evidence is what you're saying. If this were court, your client would be phucked 'cause you're proving to be a piss poor lawyer.The way we calculate statistics and make legitimate assertions is by looking at feats. I think we can agree that DBZ character's biggest weapon, is energy attacks.
And those energy attacks do crap to relatively more powerful people and they don't even defend with shields. So if Roshi's greatest energy attack busted a moon and his energy attacks wouldn't do absolute utter sh1t to SSJ Vegeta, then SSJ Vegeta is durable enough to take a moon-busting attack. And when SSJ Vegeta is able to utterly shrug off a moon-busting attack, but can't shrug off Android 18's physical punches and kicks (which were the only attacks she used to damage him), then oh well, your rhetoric falls apart. Stop falsely distinguishing between physical and energy attacks.
Originally posted by marwash22
Just saying "Oh, well, so and so DBZ character is a planet buster"... is nonsense for three reasons. 1 being that, they bust planets, not using physical strength, but by using energy attacks. 2nd reason being that, everyone (that can use ki) in the history of that series is a planet buster, 'cause any amount of energy you shoot into a planet's core, will blow up the planet. 3rd reason is, in a fight against someone who absorbs and redirects energy at a higher level of strength and speed than it was fired, it's irrelevant and asinine to even bring energy feats into the conversation.
First off, your argument that they only bust planets because they overload the core completely applies to comic characters as well. Unless you want to assert double-standards? No... ? Good. Your rhetoric thus stands revealed. Second, I'm not willing to take your double-standards, so why would I take your no-limit fallacies regarding Mjolnir's energy absorption/deflection capabilities?
Originally posted by marwash22
Now, on to physical strength, endurance and stamina... Thor has the advantage in every way. If you can't provide feats that legitimately backup you assertion that Cell/vegeta/Goku, etc, are superior... you lose by default. This is how a debate works, saying "nuh-uh" and using just 'cause logic, doesn't work. Unlike DBZ advocates, the people who support Thor have feats that support the claim that he can shatter mountain with a punch.Vague assumptions based on nonsensical abc logic has never won an debate for anyone, you need facts. Until you can prove that a DBZ character has strength equivalent to someone who can lift creatures who are larger than a planet... you have no argument.
"Nuh uh" and "just 'cause" is actually an accurate characterization of your logic. You can't possibly argue that the Dragonball characters don't outclass each other with each incarnation and powerup... several dozen times over. And at the very low levels you already had planet busters running around.
Each character/incarnation that was more "unbeatable" than the last was stronger, faster, more powerful and more durable than the last. The exceptions were Android 17 who was faster than some, Android 16 who was arguably slower than some, and Super Vegeta/Trunks who specifically sacrificed speed for strength/power. In any case, you can safely assume that weakest-form Frieza was weaker, slower, less powerful and less durable than SSJ Vegeta by several magnitudes. And that perfect-form Cell was stronger, faster, more powerful and more durable than them by several magnitudes.
That isn't a difficult deduction. And I invite you to prove otherwise that any of the characters who proved more "unbeatable" than the last as the series progressed were somehow diminished in any of those statistics (aside from those mentioned). By all means.
Finally, power levels logically take into account strength, speed, power and durability. Goku's different levels of Kaiou-ken came with a concomitant increase in all areas and registered accordingly with the power radars used up through the Frieza saga.