Originally posted by Slash_KMCBesides, we presume that malak is draining jedi to replace lost stamina. If im not wrong, dooku himself was drawing evergy on the force itself to replace lost stamina in his duel with anakin skywalker. I think this is from the ROTS novel.We do not know the full details, we do not know any details. The draining of the Jedi is not a detail nor is the outcome of the battle.
Originally posted by Slash_KMC I think everyone is aware that Revan can use the Force. But do we know that he only uses the Force? Obi-Wan also primarily uses the Force and a lightsaber, but how did he defeat Grievous?
Regarding Revan: He also fought against some powerful non-Jedi foes.
Revan defeated Mandalore - The Ultimate in what has been termed as hand-to-hand combat (A fair contest?). And this was the guy who could knock out a Jedi without much difficulty.
Against Yusanis - It was pointed out in his description in KoTOR that in spite of his own great fighting capabilities, he fell to the powers of Darth Revan.
For Revan's final duel, see below.
This is not the first time you tell me to ask the creators for more facts. As long as they haven't given the information, it doesn't exist.Most characters from the comics and games are well developed. Galen Marek has a novel supporting the Force Unleashed in which a lot more details are given than anything that supports Revan's battles.
We do not know the full details, we do not know any details. The draining of the Jedi is not a detail nor is the outcome of the battle.
Shadows and Light reveals Revan standing near fallen Malak with his Lightsaber ignited. This indicates that Revan had a Lightsaber duel with Malak and managed to land a killer blow.
Yes! We do not have full details but we do know that Malak was well prepared and yet Revan defeated him.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLets use your own logic by interpreting pictures. Did the picture show Malak decapitated? Lightsabers tend to slice things apart on contact and we didn't see malak decapitated, how do you know Revan didn't pull out a blaster or dropped a few mines during the duel along with using his lightsaber? How do you know the picture is even accurate?Shadows and Light reveals Revan standing near fallen Malak with his Lightsaber ignited. This indicates that Revan had a Lightsaber duel with Malak and managed to land a killer blow.
Yes! We do not have full details but we do know that Malak was well prepared and yet Revan defeated him.
How do you know that picture, which was simply a vision of that jedi even turns out to be accurate? The image shows the redeemed revan in his sith armor and mask, the TOR website shows him in a regular jedi robe during the star forge incident with a hood and without a mask. Thats a direct contradiction, and the latter seems to make much more sense than the former considering all post jedi civil war Revan pics show him in a brown jedi robe without a mask.
Originally posted by Alistair Lets use your own logic by interpreting pictures. Did the picture show Malak decapitated? Lightsabers tend to slice things apart on contact and we didn't see malak decapitated, how do you know Revan didn't pull out a blaster or dropped a few mines during the duel along with using his lightsaber? How do you know the picture is even accurate?
That picture is a vision of a Jedi and visions of future events can be true.
And you don't see Revan armed with a blaster or do you?
Originally posted by Alistair How do you know that picture, which was simply a vision of that jedi even turns out to be accurate? The image shows the redeemed revan in his sith armor and mask, the TOR website shows him in a regular jedi robe during the star forge incident with a hood and without a mask. Thats a direct contradiction, and the latter seems to make much more sense than the former considering all post jedi civil war Revan pics show him in a brown jedi robe without a mask.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Ever heard of word "stabbing"? (For example: Darth Maul stabbed Gui-Gon to death.)That picture is a vision of a Jedi and visions of future events can be true.
And you don't see Revan armed with a blaster or do you?
Do you have anything that proves Revan stabbed Malak? How do you know he stabbed him? How do you know he was stabbed? How do you know he didn't hide a blaster or a grenade within his robes? Too many variables.
Future events can be true, but that doesn't mean everything is identical in the vision physically, especially when one vision shows a redeemed revan in dark side armor when external more credible sources show him in Jedi robes and different armor.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDYes it does, one image shows him in his original dark side armor, the other shows him in a jedi robe and brown armor and other images like the redeemed Revan shows him without a mask.
Revan could have been wearing an armor and a mask while confronting Malak. As far as the holocron is concerned, it does not contradicts with the vision of Duron because Revan is wearing a hood and an armor, as you can see here. We can't see the mask though.
And why would he change into his sith armor just to fight malak? It doesn't make sense, especially when one image show him in a jedi robe/armor.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDEver heard of slicing out someone's knee cap and capping them in the heart with a blaster bolt fired from a gun you tucked back in to your robes?
Ever heard of word "stabbing"? (For example: Darth Maul stabbed Gui-Gon to death.)
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDKeyword: can. "Always in motion is the future."
That picture is a vision of a Jedi and visions of future events can be true.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDAnd you don't see Malak dead from a saber wound or do you?
And you don't see Revan armed with a blaster or do you?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDA.) That picture has Bastila present in that fight when she was not present. It's validity is shattered with that alone. B.) Regardless of its validity, even if Bastila wasn't in it, it still shows Revan in loose-fitted free-flowing skirt. That vision of Qel-Droma's has him in a billowing cloak. So which is it? The ambiguous vision or the non-canon drawing?
Revan could have been wearing an armor and a mask while confronting Malak. As far as the holocron is concerned, it does not contradicts with the vision of Duron because Revan is wearing a hood and an armor, as you can see here. We can't see the mask though.
@Enyalus: Mandalore the Ultimate and Malak are nowhere near the level of Dooku. If he killed them with a blaster, it really says nothing about what he could do with a blaster against Dooku.
Revan was faster than Malak. He very possibly ran circles around malak,turning around to fire every ten seconds or so, never allowing Malak (a very STUPID opponent, if I might add) to get close enough to swing his lightsaber. Dooku is NOT stupid, and has never been potrayed as stupid, so such a strategy would never work with him.
How many instant heal health packs did Revan take during his fight with Malak? I'm guessing more than a few. Since it would be really unfair to give revan instant heal health packs and not give them to dooku, Revan is going to have a heck of a time winning without them.
Originally posted by truejedi
@Enyalus: Mandalore the Ultimate and Malak are nowhere near the level of Dooku. If he killed them with a blaster, it really says nothing about what he could do with a blaster against Dooku.Revan was faster than Malak. He very possibly ran circles around malak,turning around to fire every ten seconds or so, never allowing Malak (a very STUPID opponent, if I might add) to get close enough to swing his lightsaber. Dooku is NOT stupid, and has never been potrayed as stupid, so such a strategy would never work with him.
How many instant heal health packs did Revan take during his fight with Malak? I'm guessing more than a few. Since it would be really unfair to give revan instant heal health packs and not give them to dooku, Revan is going to have a heck of a time winning without them.
Originally posted by truejedi
@Enyalus: Mandalore the Ultimate and Malak are nowhere near the level of Dooku. If he killed them with a blaster, it really says nothing about what he could do with a blaster against Dooku.Revan was faster than Malak. He very possibly ran circles around malak,turning around to fire every ten seconds or so, never allowing Malak (a very STUPID opponent, if I might add) to get close enough to swing his lightsaber. Dooku is NOT stupid, and has never been potrayed as stupid, so such a strategy would never work with him.
How many instant heal health packs did Revan take during his fight with Malak? I'm guessing more than a few. Since it would be really unfair to give revan instant heal health packs and not give them to dooku, Revan is going to have a heck of a time winning without them.
**** it.
It won't work right.
Originally posted by truejedi
@Enyalus: Mandalore the Ultimate and Malak are nowhere near the level of Dooku. If he killed them with a blaster, it really says nothing about what he could do with a blaster against Dooku.How many instant heal health packs did Revan take during his fight with Malak? I'm guessing more than a few. Since it would be really unfair to give revan instant heal health packs and not give them to dooku, Revan is going to have a heck of a time winning without them.
Mandalore was....Mandalore. And a Taung, no less. Mandalores are always a match for a Jedi, and if Revan killed him with a blaster through his lightsaber-resistant armor, exactly what makes you think Dooku would do any better? Mace had serious difficulty deflecting Jango's shots, proving that a skilled sharpshooter is a dangerous opponent...and Mace's style is much more suited to blocking blaster bolts than Dooku's is.
As for a Dark Lord of the Sith empowered directly by the Star Forge and the drainage of multiple Jedi Knights to further fuel that power being 'nowhere near the level of Dooku'....I disagree.
Also, instant heal packs? In the game, maybe. In-universe, there's no such thing. C'mon.
Originally posted by EnyalusThats malak on the SF, a vjun empowered dooku was powerful enough to tool a force user powerful enough to give ROTS anakin a run for his money by lifting a finger.
As for a Dark Lord of the Sith empowered directly by the Star Forge and the drainage of multiple Jedi Knights to further fuel that power being 'nowhere near the level of Dooku'....I disagree.
And we have absolutely no idea how skilled Revan is with a blaster.
truejedi
Revan was faster than Malak. He very possibly ran circles around malak,turning around to fire every ten seconds or so, never allowing Malak (a very STUPID opponent, if I might add) to get close enough to swing his lightsaber. Dooku is NOT stupid, and has never been potrayed as stupid, so such a strategy would never work with him.How many instant heal health packs did Revan take during his fight with Malak? I'm guessing more than a few. Since it would be really unfair to give revan instant heal health packs and not give them to dooku, Revan is going to have a heck of a time winning without them.
Stop it now.
Alistair
Thats malak on the SF,
Alistair
a vjun empowered dooku was powerful enough to tool a force user powerful enough to give ROTS anakin a run for his money by lifting a finger.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Mandalore was....Mandalore. And a Taung, no less. Mandalores are always a match for a Jedi, and if Revan killed him with a blaster through his lightsaber-resistant armor, exactly what makes you think Dooku would do any better? Mace had serious difficulty deflecting Jango's shots, proving that a skilled sharpshooter is a dangerous opponent...and Mace's style is much more suited to blocking blaster bolts than Dooku's is.
And why would Dooku do better than a mandalorian with no combat feats or stated abilities? Is that a real question? Did you see AOTC kenobi vs. "the most dangerous bounty hunter in the galaxy?"
As for a Dark Lord of the Sith empowered directly by the Star Forge and the drainage of multiple Jedi Knights to further fuel that power being 'nowhere near the level of Dooku'....I disagree.
Okay, i'll bite. Please prove that Malak is near Dooku's power level. Dooku was in the top 2 or 3 Jedi of the "golden age of the Jedi" He then became more powerful when he became a Sith.
He defeated Kenobi, who was able to defeat the chosen one. He laid Assajji Ventress low with a finger flick. Better than Grievous...
These are actual things he has done against substantiated opponents.
What's Malak got?
Also, instant heal packs? In the game, maybe. In-universe, there's no such thing. C'mon.
So no game mechanics? Is that what you are saying? (please please please say yes)
So name one force power that Revan knew that doesn't require a ritual and multiplie sith. From the first Bane book, we know he knew force storm and the thought bomb. These require help. Can you name one power that he DEFINITLY knew?
Originally posted by truejedi
Where is it stated that mandalores are always matches for Jedi?
Originally posted by truejedi
And why would Dooku do better than a mandalorian with no combat feats or stated abilities? Is that a real question? Did you see AOTC kenobi vs. "the most dangerous bounty hunter in the galaxy?"
Jango doesn't have lightsaber resistant armor unlike the Mandalore Revan beat with, apparently, a blaster? Unless your argument is that blaster > lightsaber.
Originally posted by truejedi
Okay, i'll bite. Please prove that Malak is near Dooku's power level. Dooku was in the top 2 or 3 Jedi of the "golden age of the Jedi"
Originally posted by truejedi
He defeated Kenobi, who was able to defeat the chosen one. He laid Assajji Ventress low with a finger flick. Better than Grievous...
Originally posted by truejedi
So no game mechanics? Is that what you are saying? (please please please say yes)
Originally posted by truejedi
So name one force power that Revan knew that doesn't require a ritual and multiplie sith. From the first Bane book, we know he knew force storm and the thought bomb. These require help. Can you name one power that he DEFINITLY knew?
