Gideon
😕No one cares about any other time period but the movies and what's in between. Starkiller's there because most of the real powerhouses (and the ones who matter) are in this period.
The only redeeming quality of his placement in the timeline is the opportunity for a new relationship with Darth Vader, but I don't think a second treatise on how abominable a father figure Vader is was ever necessary.
Like I said, he could have been put to better use in a different time period.
And your movie fetish is disturbing. Stop it.
One of my biggest problems with the game is why did the sith pretend Galen Marek was Vader's secret apprentice? It would have worked far better, for the Sith at least, if he was simply another Dark Jedi and the Emperor/Vader have him make the Rebel Alliance like in the Game but this time he would no he was doing it so the Empire could kill all the traitors.
Originally posted by SWFan4Life
Why not?
Because the more powerful people you have the less unique and meaningful "powerful" becomes. The Skywalkers are supposed to be unique because they're more powerful then everyone else. Having a dozen people crop up who can equal them makes their heritage pointless.
It's like, for example, do you read DC comics? Back in like the 70's and 80's Superman was ridiculously powerful, he could blow up a solar system by sneezing and shit and fly to the other side of the galaxy in under a second, which is like 300 times faster then light lol. So he was so strong that DC decided to make other people who were as strong as him to make things "more interesting" and the result was a cluster****. The DC-verse was over-saturated with ridiculously powerful beings who were becoming more and more powerful to match each other, and it became so bad that DC was a joke. So in order to bring things back down to a sensible order, they had a massive multi-issue event called Crisis on Infinite Earth, which killed off a whole bunch of people and retconned the shit out of everything, and by the end of it Superman was watered down to a much less ridiculous level, as was everyone else, and 50 years of canon was changed.
Point being, when you create a bunch of uber powerful people simply for the sake of competing with other uber powerful people, it makes the whole setting look ridiculous.
By the way, Enyalus, feel free to clarify if I misconstrued something about the Crisis.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Because the more powerful people you have the less unique and meaningful "powerful" becomes. The Skywalkers are supposed to be unique because they're more powerful then everyone else. Having a dozen people crop up who can equal them makes their heritage pointless.It's like, for example, do you read DC comics? Back in like the 70's and 80's Superman was ridiculously powerful, he could blow up a solar system by sneezing and shit and fly to the other side of the galaxy in under a second, which is like 300 times faster then light lol. So he was so strong that DC decided to make other people who were as strong as him to make things "more interesting" and the result was a cluster****. The DC-verse was over-saturated with ridiculously powerful beings who were becoming more and more powerful to match each other, and it became so bad that DC was a joke. So in order to bring things back down to a sensible order, they had a massive multi-issue event called Crisis on Infinite Earth, which killed off a whole bunch of people and retconned the shit out of everything, and by the end of it Superman was watered down to a much less ridiculous level, as was everyone else, and 50 years of canon was changed.
Point being, when you create a bunch of uber powerful people simply for the sake of competing with other uber powerful people, it makes the whole setting look ridiculous.
By the way, Enyalus, feel free to clarify if I misconstrued something about the Crisis.
Well rest be assured, that it won't be a problem, as Galen can't be that powerful, because where the **** could he be from ANH and on? GL has to kill him off before the Classic Trilogy either way, otherwise, he has to carbon freeze him.
But not before he makes TFU III and IV, and makes maybe another extra billion or so....
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
By the way, Enyalus, feel free to clarify if I misconstrued something about the Crisis.
But yeah.
Gideon
Why does it bother you that Anakin, Palpatine, and Luke are more important (by far) than any other character in this whole mythos?
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
That makes it even more weird. >_>
It's a fair concern, but not that big of a deal as to what you described in DC. First off, Force-wielders can't control entire galaxies or move from one part of the universe to the other instantaneously. And they are mortal and still flesh and blood (except for the whole Darth Addendu holocron and essence transfer, and even then, the person can still be killed).
There were indeed some ludicrous Force-wielders, like Nihilus, who consumed life, and Traya, but come on, the Exile killed them. And based on what I have read and heard, the Exile had less potential than Revan (don't ask me to cite, because I don't remember the source).
The differences in powers and abilities that exist between Jedi/Sith from different times, coupled with the fact that they all die or are killed at some point (Yoda, Sidious, even a certain Jedi Master who is dead by 130 ABY, based on the Legacy comics); this takes care of keeping canon reasonable. Regarding TOR and SWG, MMORPGs are a gray area, not sure what level of canon those are (must be pretty low, IMO).
Originally posted by SWFan4LifeThat's why it's reasonable now. It's disappointing to know that Lucas gave his personal blessing and thumbs up to The Force Unleashed and its franchise. The big man himself is willing to allow someone like Marek to exist so close to ANH (and now we've got his f*ckin clone in there somewhere too [and considering how the developers need to make his story uber important, he'll affect the entire galaxy with his actions]). Chalk up the fact that Lucas has admitted to not really caring about the EU so long as it doesn't get in the way of his movies and TV shows, and you get a boss who's willing to let game companies do whatever they like to sell their product.
It's a fair concern, but not that big of a deal as to what you described in DC. First off, Force-wielders can't control entire galaxies or move from one part of the universe to the other instantaneously. And they are mortal and still flesh and blood (except for the whole Darth Addendu holocron and essence transfer, and even then, the person can still be killed).There were indeed some ludicrous Force-wielders, like Nihilus, who consumed life, and Traya, but come on, the Exile killed them. And based on what I have read and heard, the Exile had less potential than Revan (don't ask me to cite, because I don't remember the source).
The differences in powers and abilities that exist between Jedi/Sith from different times, coupled with the fact that they all die or are killed at some point (Yoda, Sidious, even a certain Jedi Master who is dead by 130 ABY, based on the Legacy comics); this takes care of keeping canon reasonable. Regarding TOR and SWG, MMORPGs are a gray area, not sure what level of canon those are (must be pretty low, IMO).
When Lucas really, and I mean really stops giving a shit, or when he dies, things like Galen Marek (and others not yet created) will set precedents for new levels of bullshit. We've already got Marek, time travel, Q-esque gods who play with space and time, Abeloth, Luke, Nihilus' Gigadrain, the immortal Sith Emperor, and the general bad storytelling of certain authors. Give Star Wars another decade or so and lets see how utterly f*cked up its become.
Eminence
As far as the historic impact of the time period covered by the movies - and all pertinent ancillary material - is concerned, I don't think Anakin or Luke are all that important.
I noticed you left Palpatine out, which means you concede he is the most important character in the mythos.
This pleases me. 🙂
Gideon
I noticed you left Palpatine out, which means you concede he is the most important character in the mythos.This pleases me. 🙂
And I noticed you decided not to respond to anything else in my posts, which means you concede everything.
This pleases me more.
Lotz more.
Originally posted by Eminence
I do not. The Sith Emperor > Palpatine. The latter is clearly the driving force behind the events of the trilogies - to understate it - but his far more brilliant, attractive, and long-lived predecessor shook the galaxy as much or more and for so much longer; he is easily the most impactful (and lovely) of all characters in the saga.And I noticed you decided not to respond to anything else in my posts, which means you concede everything.
This pleases me moar. teehee
The Sith Emperor is so NOT > Palpatine. The Sith Emperor needed hundreds of mini-Sith Lords to get to where he was. The fact that he lived longer is simply because he hadn't been killed yet, not because Palpatine didn't have the ability to transfer his essence (which he did).
And remaining hidden for 350 years, and then coming up out of the blue, with a built-up army? It took Sith Emperor 350 YEARS to do what Sidious did in less than 30 years...and Palpatine didn't even need to raise his own Sith army, he just used the Republic to build his Empire!! How is that not the ultimate deception?
Gideon help me out here.