Oh thats not fair, I dont ignore them. I just take the actual weight of iron which is a metal we know the factual weight for in this quantity. Their calculations are based on things we dont know factually within a fictional world where the creature their trying to label as 100 tons or so bounce off the lava.
If they want to count everything in this game as fact then you cant ignore the real weight of iron. You cant disagree with that just because some rock appears to be heavy.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Oh thats not fair, I dont ignore them. I just take the actual weight of iron which is a metal we know the factual weight for in this quantity. Their calculations are based on things we dont know factually within a fictional world where the creature their trying to label as 100 tons or so bounce off the lava.
No, they're not. It's really quite simple. The quantity of iron that would be in the boots came out around 200 pounds, right? However, that weight puzzle in the Temple of Time proves that the boots are over five times Link's weight, which would require them to be over 600 pounds. And we know the weight of those things because we could compare their weight to Link.
The Iron Boots have come out to heavier than iron.
If they want to count everything in this game as fact then you cant ignore the real weight of iron. You cant disagree with that just because some rock appears to be heavy. [/B]
Double standard. You're saying that iron has to be iron, but rock does not have to be rock. What's with that? We can't ignore the real weight of rock, either.
Oh I dont know, the only canon statements, claims and the only factual weight on my side is a pretty strong argument compared to a few blind fans getting upset over having their fanon collapsed.
Canon statements = Heavy Boots. That's on our side.
Factual weight = less than that of the Iron/Heavy Boots. Also on our side.
Blind fanboys = not us.
It does not supercede anything dear boy unless the developer officially states the Iron boots as a wrong translation. Him just naming them something else in what looks like an answer to a small part of the game does not account for anything.
You just said it yourself: The creator named them something different. The translation team changed the name that he used. Since he is Word of God, his name is more canon than the name of a couple of guys that translate words.
Think about it logically. If the math says that iron weighs less than the Iron Boots, and the creator never uses the word "iron" to refer to the boots, then it can be logically concluded that the boots are not iron. It's rather simple.
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Again...That is far more than 400 lbs. The platform is completely stable and stationary and Link's weight walking on to it didn't even budge it at all. Thus the chains are obviously not straining to hold on to the weight of that massive platform, and only snap off when Dangoro jumps up from maybe 50 ft up in the air on to it.
And when he does land, the chains don't even snap off immediately.
Raziel moves around thin pillars and then struggles to tip them over. Even if they are 100 tons, that would not put Raziel as a high 100 tonner, Kain is on Raziel's level of strength, and he was somewhat stronger than Raziel before Defiance, but tipping over tonnage with difficulty is a big stretch from wearing a big fraction of said tonnage on your two feet.
Can you walk around and run in shoes that weigh 30% each of your dead lifting potential?
Originally posted by CosmicComet
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Again...That is far more than 400 lbs. The platform is completely stable and stationary and Link's weight walking on to it didn't even budge it at all. Thus the chains are obviously not straining to hold on to the weight of that massive platform, and only snap off when Dangoro jumps up from maybe 50 ft up in the air on to it.
And when he does land, the chains don't even snap off immediately.
Raziel moves around thin pillars and then struggles to tip them over. Even if they are 100 tons, that would not put Raziel as a high 100 tonner, Kain is on Raziel's level of strength, and he was somewhat stronger than Raziel before Defiance, but tipping over tonnage with difficulty is a big stretch from wearing a big fraction of said tonnage on your two feet.
Can you walk around and run in shoes that weigh 30% each of your dead lifting potential?
400 pounds? how do you know? 400 pounds is damn heavy and more importantly it being stable when links walking on it sort of proves it not giving to his weight. This does not disprove having 400 pounds leaping on it from a high angle would not break it. As you point out, that platform looks heavy and massive, chances are the chains are not made to have 400 pounds jumping on it from a great height.
Which proves that the chains were strained too far their limit, not suddenly snapped because of the incredible weight you belive Dangoro is.
Raziel moves around pillars and fat blocks with ease, his lightest push can send it scraping meters along the ground and Kain overpowers raziels pushing strength with just his arms. Kains full body strength would be far in excess of 400 pound boots on his feet.
Originally posted by The Scenario
No, they're not. It's really quite simple. The quantity of iron that would be in the boots came out around 200 pounds, right? However, that weight puzzle in the Temple of Time proves that the boots are over five times Link's weight, which would require them to be over 600 pounds. And we know the weight of those things because we could compare their weight to Link.The Iron Boots have come out to heavier than iron.
Double standard. You're saying that iron has to be iron, but rock does not have to be rock. What's with that? We can't ignore the real weight of rock, either.
Canon statements = Heavy Boots. That's on our side.
Factual weight = less than that of the Iron/Heavy Boots. Also on our side.Blind fanboys = not us.
You just said it yourself: The creator named them something different. The translation team changed the name that he used. Since he is Word of God, his name is more canon than the name of a couple of guys that translate words.
Think about it logically. If the math says that iron weighs less than the Iron Boots, and the creator never uses the word "iron" to refer to the boots, then it can be logically concluded that the boots are not iron. It's rather simple.
I think Moo mathed them at 200 pounds, we do not know links weight, Links height is even debatable as Sin a LoZ fan does not believe Link is 6 ft tall, Link could actually be much smaller and I recall 4 ft from another forum so Link may not weigh in as much as being assumed. You cant try and bend the logic of what iron is based on a few statues, an in-game puzzle is not necesserily accurate either for weight. The puzzle if assumed to be correct only gives a rough estimate of 500-600 pounds to the weight of the iron boots.
We dont know the real weight of rocks, rocks and other structures can be hollow. In the case of iron boots, we know the weight of iron and we know the form of the boots. Technically we dont know if a rock is hollow, made of a very light rock etc. A rock can be far more varied in size, density and form than iron in the form of a pair of boots.
Wrong, every statement by a creator is not canon fact. If a Blizzard employee started refering to Deathwing as "the evil aspect" or an old LoK writer refered to Kain as "The ancient vamp" the canon of the series would not simply mold and change based on simply that conversation. This is not canon.
Oh, I am sorry but you are quite blind, or at least shortsighted.
The Creator did not "name" them canonically according to your source, he just refered to them under another name in what looks like some kind of FAQ on the water temple 😉
The math is from blind fanboys who make a list of daft assumptions on the weight of various blocks, if the math was from the development team then you would be going somewhere. The whole canon behind the boots says their iron, an off-hand comment by the creator does not suddenly refute the canon as we know it from the games...
400 pounds? how do you know? 400 pounds is damn heavy and more importantly it being stable when links walking on it sort of proves it not giving to his weight. This does not disprove having 400 pounds leaping on it from a high angle would not break it. As you point out, that platform looks heavy and massive, chances are the chains are not made to have 400 pounds jumping on it from a great height. Which proves that the chains were strained too far their limit, not suddenly snapped because of the incredible weight you belive Dangoro is. Raziel moves around pillars and fat blocks with ease, his lightest push can send it scraping meters along the ground and Kain overpowers raziels pushing strength with just his arms. Kains full body strength would be far in excess of 400 pound boots on his feet.
Again. The platform is completely stable. It's not even swaying a little bit under its sole means of suspension--before or after Link steps on it. There is no strain on those chains, that platform has been there for who knows how many centuries.
Dangoro's metal plates alone would come out to be over 400 lbs total. You aren't stupid enough to really believe that Dangoro's make up is less dense than a human's. No human of that size would be a mere 400 lbs.
If it was a mere matter of the chains being at their limits already, then the platform would have simply collapsed immediately. That's not what happened, there was some sway and then the chains broke one by one.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Again. The platform is completely stable. It's not even swaying a little bit under its sole means of suspension--before or after Link steps on it. There is no strain on those chains, that platform has been there for who knows how many centuries.Dangoro's metal plates alone would come out to be over 400 lbs total. You aren't stupid enough to really believe that Dangoro's make up is less dense than a human's. No human of that size would be a mere 400 lbs.
If it was a mere matter of the chains being at their limits already, then the platform would have simply collapsed immediately. That's not what happened, there was some sway and then the chains broke one by one.
Why would it sway when the platform itself is far more heavy than Dangoro or Link? by itself the platform is huge, its weight alone would not allow it to sway on those chains which look as you said "stable" because they are holding it from several angles. But clearly the chains are not made to take Dangoro or 400-500 pounds extra than that platform because they broke.
I dont know about that, I cant see the entire 360 degree view of his plates. They could not be as thick as one would belive. Assuming ofc they are iron and not some lighter, less dense metal. I am not stupid enough to belive that Dangoro's tiny legs can allow it to jump any distance or bounce across lava in pain like a cartoon that its apprently supposed to be immune/resistant to but these things happen.
Immedialtey at what? thats only if the chains were very weak at that point, if they were as stable as they appear to be then its all likely that they strained at the weight of Dangoro falling on them and broke off now that they were weakened.
Why would it sway when the platform itself is far more heavy than Dangoro or Link? by itself the platform is huge, its weight alone would not allow it to sway on those chains which look as you said "stable" because they are holding it from several angles. But clearly the chains are not made to take Dangoro or 400-500 pounds extra than that platform because they broke.Just gonna highlight how you're contradicting yourself here.
you freely admit that the platform is large and heavy, but somehow believe, even though Link's 200+ pound body and equipment cannot even make it notice his weight, that adding 200 more pounds suddenly gives him the weight to outweigh Dangoro and shift the entire platform. haermm Impossible. The boots,as we keep telling you, weigh atleast 70 tons.
Find a strength feat, or Kain loses at stage one: He can't even walk in them.