Kain v.s. The Iron Boots

Started by LLLLLink7 pages
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You were a fat kid, huh?

Hell no. Just a strong mo-fo. You didn't have the job I had at that age and not be strong.

Meh, I'm happy. I managed to arrange a thread where a character lost to an item.

Haha. You're one spitey bastard, eh?

Well, no, but no one on Kain's side provided any evidence.

You know what you did.

K, the thing with the puddles, and the magnetic floor was kinda spitey. >_> But no one even bothered proving Kain could walk the first hundred meters.

Normally I would give a reason just to push things along but there isn't a definitive weight given for the boots. Not even a general ''between x and y''. We got 200 lbs each that I think BT says, just over or under 20 tons each to equal or be over Dangoro's weight, well over 70 tons as said above.

I'm going to go by a Link who can lift a 40+ ton rocky entity being able to walk with the boots like he does. I'm sure Kain is above the 40 ton mark so what Link (with the strength he had then at least) does with them in-game would be like how Kain would use them. By that:
1. Clears the first one.
2. 3ft hops may be much (being a normal step with them are half that) unless he were to use a lot of energy to make a large step, with the changes of falling in still there. Low chance of passing this hurdle.
3. Not upside down? Yeah. Asking how strong the magnets are would lead back to the 'Boot weight' issue.
4. This is where I see it 9/10 ending. Not only because of the weight, well mostly the weight, but also as he can only dig his hand claws in with his legs hardly being ably to do much besides hope for a large, strong rock pointing out to step on.

At the fanon weight Kain still easily clears it. Even if he cant jump with them on he just walks through the puddles unless they can be proven to be extremely deep, then we have the magnets which will simply be the same as the first part.

I assume link climbed the rockface with the boots on or did the final part never happen? in which case Kain simply uses claws to dig himself a ramp and walks to Darbus assuming the rockface has no outcroppings for him to climb up naturally.

Ofc the real weight of about 400 pounds would be easy.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Meh, I'm happy. I managed to arrange a thread where a character lost to an item.

In threads where your argument has crumbled you recite the same old nonsense and "Ive alredy wonz!" rubbish so much that its almost like your trying to convince yourself, either that or your incredibly insecure.

Well the OP did state that the puddles were 3ft deep.

Oh ok then missed that....Kain can walk through them then so I dont see puddles being a problem.

If Link really only had 200 pounds added to his weight with the boots, I could pick him up and walk with him.

Hell, Bo is like seven feet tall if I recall right, with his muscle and fat build-up he may very well be approaching 400 pounds as it is.

If Bo is heavy enough to rival Dangoro's weight, who apparently is only 400 pounds, why would he need them for the smaller Gorons?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Normally I would give a reason just to push things along but there isn't a definitive weight given for the boots. Not even a general ''between x and y''. We got 200 lbs each that I think BT says, just over or under 20 tons each to equal or be over Dangoro's weight, well over 70 tons as said above.

I'm going to go by a Link who can lift a 40+ ton rocky entity being able to walk with the boots like he does. I'm sure Kain is above the 40 ton mark so what Link (with the strength he had then at least) does with them in-game would be like how Kain would use them. By that:
1. Clears the first one.
2. 3ft hops may be much (being a normal step with them are half that) unless he were to use a lot of energy to make a large step, with the changes of falling in still there. Low chance of passing this hurdle.
3. Not upside down? Yeah. Asking how strong the magnets are would lead back to the 'Boot weight' issue.
4. This is where I see it 9/10 ending. Not only because of the weight, well mostly the weight, but also as he can only dig his hand claws in with his legs hardly being ably to do much besides hope for a large, strong rock pointing out to step on.

CONGRATULASHUNZ.
You're the first one to actually debate this for Kain. *Hands trophy*

Now:

The boots are pretty obviously heavier than Dangoro himself, as they can unbalance the platform, lifting him and the far edge. (This is ignoring the weight of the platform itself.)

Having recently remathed it thanks to someone's different number pointing out there'd been an error in my BEDMAS(Turns out even I can screw up math. 🙁), I got 70 tons for Dangoro's weight. This is with a density far too light to be made of stone, or unbalance the gigantic platofrm they're on like he can, or snap the chains like he does.

Boots, imho, are at a minimum, 35 tons a piece. Also, Link would be a lot stronger than someone who could lift 40 tons at this point, as not only did he walk on the magnetic floors (the ones on the ground would more than double the weight of the boots themselves) he actively throws Dangoro and over-powers Fyrus. Link's strength is moot, though, because he isn't here.

Kain would need to be able to prove ether of his legs can lift that much weight. (His entire body's total lifting strength when working in unison is estimated around 100 tons.) Could Kain maybe shuffle the first hundred meters? Welll... If the boots are the bare minimum of 35 tons each, maybe.

The first in 5 pages.. >_>

I found Dangoro to be 40-50 tons. (6/7x [by lxwxh] normal Gorons size who weigh about 7 tons) Meh. The way I see it if Link, who can walk like he does with them, is in the 50 or 70 ton area 'at that time', Kain being a 100 tonner (thus making him around Links general strength when he uses them then) would have the same-ish movement as him. Unless their body strength % is completely different but I don't see a reason to think that.

At worst he would have a little less freedom.

Originally posted by BloodRain
The first in 5 pages.. >_>

I found Dangoro to be 40-50 tons. (6/7x [by lxwxh] normal Gorons size who weigh about 7 tons) Meh. The way I see it if Link, who can walk like he does with them, is in the 50 or 70 ton area 'at that time', Kain being a 100 tonner (thus making him around Links general strength when he uses them then) would have the same-ish movement as him. Unless their body strength % is completely different but I don't see a reason to think that.

At worst he would have a little less freedom.


I used 4/3 pi r^3 131

Neh, disagreed. Link overpowering Fyrus and walking on the magnetic floors alone puts him above Kain's proven strength level. (Which.. In reality, is just rounding Raziel's strength level up to account for lack of Kain's own feats.)

200 000 joules, IIRC. How this turned Kain into a 100 tonner, I have no idea, since it was agreed that Raziel's strength was enough for him to lift 45 tons over his head, Kain being slightly stronger would only be around a 60 tonner, tops. 😐

Conversely, Link actually throws Dangoro, and overpowers Fyrus, proving, even at this early stage of the game, he is far stronger than Kain.

I have yet to see proof for Kain being a 100 tonner. 😐

Originally posted by NemeBro
I have yet to see proof for Kain being a 100 tonner. 😐
SNIPED. In force.

Edit: Math says 48.9 tons for Kain. Might as well just call him a 50 tonner.

Yeah, Bloodrain, I think your formula would be incorrect. Length x Width X Height is like, surface area. You need volume. And frankly, it's just plain easier to to calculate his weight as a sphere.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Yeah, Bloodrain, I think your formula would be incorrect. Length x Width X Height is like, surface area. You need volume. And frankly, it's just plain easier to to calculate his weight as a sphere.

Length X Width X Height is the formula for Volume of a Cuboid >__>

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

200 000 joules, IIRC. How this turned Kain into a 100 tonner, I have no idea, since it was agreed that Raziel's strength was enough for him to lift 45 tons over his head, Kain being slightly stronger would only be around a 60 tonner, tops. 😐

This.

Kain doesn't have 100 ton feats.

Oh yeah. >_>

<--- bad with mathematics.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I used 4/3 pi r^3 131

Neh, disagreed. Link overpowering Fyrus and walking on the magnetic floors alone puts him above Kain's proven strength level. (Which.. In reality, is just rounding Raziel's strength level up to account for lack of Kain's own feats.)

200 000 joules, IIRC. How this turned Kain into a 100 tonner, I have no idea, since it was agreed that Raziel's strength was enough for him to lift 45 tons over his head, Kain being slightly stronger would only be around a 60 tonner, tops. 😐

Conversely, Link actually throws Dangoro, and overpowers Fyrus, proving, even at this early stage of the game, he is far stronger than Kain.

Only sphere-like.

Tripping a biped isn't hard, but there's a time and place for that. Only said 100 tons 'cause you said 100 <.< then him being a 60 tonner, still wouldn't put him that far from Link. Either way that enforces the ''At worst he would have a little less freedom.'' remark.

Gonna look at this race as just that; What can Link or Link at 3/4 strength and clawed hands do.

@Moo/DP- Not really. The number from the increase [from gorons size to Dangoro's] is would be how much the volume is increased by, from multiplying Gorons weight by that number would show what a goron of Dangoros size would weight. He only resembles a sphere.