Originally posted by BloodRain@Moo/DP- Not really. The number from the increase [from gorons size to Dangoro's] is would be how much the volume is increased by, from multiplying Gorons weight by that number would show what a goron of Dangoros size would weight. He only resembles a sphere.
Sorry, when did I disagree with what you did? >__>
I was just letting Moo know that LxWxH did in fact deal with Volume.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Only sphere-like.Tripping a biped isn't hard, but there's a time and place for that. Only said 100 tons 'cause you said 100 <.< then him being a 60 tonner, still wouldn't put him that far from Link. Either way that enforces the ''At worst he would have a little less freedom.'' remark.
Gonna look at this race as just that; What can Link or Link at 3/4 strength and clawed hands do.
@Moo/DP- Not really. The number from the increase [from gorons size to Dangoro's] is would be how much the volume is increased by, from multiplying Gorons weight by that number would show what a goron of Dangoros size would weight. He only resembles a sphere.
It is when that Biped is a giant super strong rock, who's been made more giant and moar super strong.
Kain is not sitting on 3/4 of Link's strength, even this early on. To put it bluntly, the boots together weigh more than Kain could lift over his head with his entire body. (Around 70 tons, if we discount that they can shift the entire platform in the Dangoro fight as well.) For him to actually lift a single foot with more than half what his entire body can lift seems implausible to me.
Also, the magnetic floor on that platform has insane grip. The strength required to lift a foot would be atleast doubled, since the magnets are strogn enough to pull Link to the ceiling with the boots on. Link walks on these floors with the same easy he walks around normally. (Read, I have my doubts how much trouble the boots actually cause Link.)
If Dangoro weighed sixty tons, a neat comprimise, and Link threw him about 10 m/s, Link's strength that early in the game was atleast: 2 721 554 joules. Compared to Kain.
2 721 554
...200 000
Yeah. 😐 Let's go ahead and use your 50 tons.
2 267 961
...200 000
Nope, still way stronger. Using that number, Link's overhead lifting strength when he throws Dangoro is: 555.5 short tons... Yeah.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It is when that Biped is a giant super strong rock, who's been made more giant and moar super strong.Kain is not sitting on 3/4 of Link's strength, even this early on. To put it bluntly, the boots together weigh more than Kain could lift over his head with his entire body. (Around 70 tons, if we discount that they can shift the entire platform in the Dangoro fight as well.) For him to actually lift a single foot with more than half what his entire body can lift seems implausible to me.
Also, the magnetic floor on that platform has insane grip. The strength required to lift a foot would be atleast doubled, since the magnets are strogn enough to pull Link to the ceiling with the boots on. Link walks on these floors with the same easy he walks around normally. (Read, I have my doubts how much trouble the boots actually cause Link.)
If Dangoro weighed sixty tons, a neat comprimise, and Link threw him about 10 m/s, Link's strength that early in the game was atleast: 2 721 554 joules. Compared to Kain.
2 721 554
...200 000Yeah. 😐 Let's go ahead and use your 50 tons.
2 267 961
...200 000Nope, still way stronger. Using that number, Link's overhead lifting strength when he throws Dangoro is: 555.5 short tons... Yeah.
Still a biped, a slight shift in body weight [especially by its body shape and makeup] trips rather easy.
I just realised this. Yeah, if Kain is a 60 tonner and the boots are at a weight above what his whole body can lift... he can still find a way to clear the first phase if nothing more imo.
Originally posted by NemeBro
If Link really only had 200 pounds added to his weight with the boots, I could pick him up and walk with him.Hell, Bo is like seven feet tall if I recall right, with his muscle and fat build-up he may very well be approaching 400 pounds as it is.
If Bo is heavy enough to rival Dangoro's weight, who apparently is only 400 pounds, why would he need them for the smaller Gorons?
So could I....
Not sure where you got 7ft tall from...this is a probability, we dont actually knoiw his weight.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Edit: Math says 48.9 tons for Kain. Might as well just call him a 50 tonner.
your math says (very different to actual math) based on one block Raziel is a 50 tonner. Raziel can move two blocks just as easily using his body and arms and Kain can mandhandle Raziel with ease. Kains likely in the 100-200 range. A few hundred pounds on each foot would be easy.
@BloodRain:
I can agree with Kain potentially dragging himself forward a hundred meters, it might just mean he has to use his entuire body to help himself lift each foot for each step. Might be exhausted before the end of the first phase, though. 😛
Eh, it's weight combined with the strength it would resist with make this feat particularly impressive. It's different from sneaking up on someone and snatching their leg, it's more like.. Well imagine trying to pull the leg of say, Andre the Giant from beneath him, and magnify this a million times.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtYou'll note I'm a lot better at math than you are, and physics too. If you remember, I accounted for Raziel pushing those two blocks, know how fast he pushed them? Not very. If Raziel could lift 45 tons over head, he'd be able to push 100 tons slowly, so sayeth the mighty numbers. And all he did with the two blocks was that, push them slowly.
So could I....Not sure where you got 7ft tall from...this is a probability, we dont actually knoiw his weight.
[b]your math says
(very different to actual math) based on one block Raziel is a 50 tonner. Raziel can move two blocks just as easily using his body and arms and Kain can mandhandle Raziel with ease. Kains likely in the 100-200 range. A few hundred pounds on each foot would be easy. [/B]
Lol@Kain being a 100-200 tonner.
Raziel does not have to push them fast to be able to beat their weight+friction, fact is Raziel is not that heavy so obviously doing it quickly at the angle he was doing it is impossible. He still pushed 100 tonnes, he still pushed against Kain with far more anger and proposed effort...who still with a movement of his arms threw Raziel back with ease and launched him across the room.
Kain is easily over 100 tonnes, if not nearer to 200 considering the great amount of ease.
Kains running with these boots on in canon terms, and walking easily through this gauntlet even in your fanon. I would like to see Link lifting your 70 tonnes boots on his legs through this gauntlet, it would be quite funny watching him tear his kneecaps off trying to move.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Raziel does not have to push them fast to be able to beat their weight+friction, fact is Raziel is not that heavy so obviously doing it quickly at the angle he was doing it is impossible. He still pushed 100 tonnes, he still pushed against Kain with far more anger and proposed effort...who still with a movement of his arms threw Raziel back with ease and launched him across the room.Kain is easily over 100 tonnes, if not nearer to 200 considering the great amount of ease.
Kains running with these boots on in canon terms, and walking easily through this gauntlet even in your fanon. I would like to see Link lifting your 70 tonnes boots on his legs through this gauntlet, it would be quite funny watching him tear his kneecaps off trying to move.
Hell, he struggles shuffling just one.
Furthermore: tons = short tons, = 2000 lbs. Tonnes = metric. Get it right.
And another thing; Kain caught an airborne Raziel. IE, no matter how strong Raziel is, he's still a human sized mass moving at relatively low speed.
Short, shuffly legs with that weight that only needs to lean forward without support.. it's say it could be in a peak humans potential to trip that.
If Kains a 200 tonner he'll be walking with 30% of his whole strength on his legs, 60% if he's a 100 tonner (with boots at 60 tons together). Just showing the scale. Will be hard.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Short, shuffly legs with that weight that only needs to lean forward without support.. it's say it could be in a peak humans potential to trip that.If Kains a 200 tonner he'll be walking with 30% of his whole strength on his legs, 60% if he's a 100 tonner (with boots at 60 tons together). Just showing the scale. Will be hard.
No peak human is tripping this. 😐
Originally posted by BloodRainKeep in mind Dangoro's tiny spindly legs are strong enough to launch his gigantic ass fairly high, Fyrus is a larger, stronger, heavier, magicly enhanced super Goron that's ON FIYAH!
....Ok maybe not peak, but you only have to be stronger then one legs normal downwards stride strength.
Tripping him is pretty awesome for something you do so early in your development.