Originally posted by Black bolt zHow does that translate into being more skilled?
Batman is just an uber skilled human.Cap was biologically/genetically enhanced.
Only difference between Bruce and Steve:
Steve was a weakling who took super-steriods to reach the peak of human potential.
Bruce was a weakling who trained and worked to the peak of human perfection.
"peak of human perfection" and "peak of human potential", I don't know how anyone distinguishes which is superior, but many have for the latter. I guess they figure since Steve's juiced like Slade, he's "enhanced". In a sense he certainly is, but IMO a different sense, and not the "enhanced" that is used in the categorizing of power rankings.
Originally posted by namorsubby
How does that translate into being more skilled?Only difference between Bruce and Steve:
Steve was a weakling who took super-steriods to reach the peak of human potential.
Bruce was a weakling who trained and worked to the peak of human perfection.
"peak of human perfection" and "peak of human potential", I don't know how anyone distinguishes which is superior, but many have for the latter. I guess they figure since Steve's juiced like Slade, he's "enhanced". In a sense he certainly is, but IMO a different sense, and not the "enhanced" that is used in the categorizing of power rankings.
This has been true sinces he came out which is why it the super soldier serum and not the peak of human perfection program.
No human can achieve capt level through training he is enhanced beyond that.
same reason who people put power dampers on him. if he was simply peak of human such dampers would do nothing to him.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
You dont get it, Capt as good as humans will ever become he what humans may one day evolve into which is a concept you seem unable to grasp.This has been true sinces he came out which is why it the super soldier serum and not the peak of human perfection program.
No human can achieve capt level through training he is enhanced beyond that.
same reason who people put power dampers on him. if he was simply peak of human such dampers would do nothing to him.
I can scarcely understand you, BH. The concept is fine.
"peak of human potential" doesn't mean next step in "evolution", I've heard Cap refered to before as if he were, but it was hyberbole, like calling Batman "the most dangerous man in the world" or "unbeatable", which he has been refered to as. many have.
Cap is as good as a human can be in all areas, yes.
Therefore Cap has qualities that no one seems to have, because no human is perfect, right?(it may have something to do with the fact that these are comics, as well.).
Well, Batman "has trained to the peak of human perfection". I don't see how the fact that in a completely seperate comic universe it is the common view that no one can train to that level, because in DC, you can, and Bruce did.
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I admit, marvel seems to take the more "realistic" approach. Training to perfection in most likely not possible in the real world, but neither is half the stuff any human does in comics
Originally posted by namorsubby
I can scarcely understand you, BH. The concept is fine."peak of human potential" doesn't mean next step in "evolution", I've heard Cap refered to before as if he were, but it was hyberbole, like calling Batman "the most dangerous man in the world" or "unbeatable", which he has been refered to as. many have.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Cap is as good as a human can be in all areas, yes.
Therefore Cap has qualities that no one seems to have, because no human is perfect, right?(it may have something to do with the fact that these are comics, as well.).
Originally posted by namorsubby
Well, Batman "has trained to the peak of human perfection". I don't see how the fact that in a completely seperate comic universe it is the common view that no one can train to that level, because in DC, you can, and Bruce did.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
it not hyperbole, it wa sstated write when he came out, that he was the next step in human evolution. He beyond what any human can become, which is something you dont seem able to grasp, you cant train to get to his level, this is a fact.again he as good as humans will one day become, wtf don't you get? there a reason why people need to put dampers on him and he can friggin take bullets to the skull.
DD did that too, DD is a peak human, but he still admitts capts simply better, DD as strong/fast ect as human can become but he still a step behind capt. Hell in a cross over batman even admitts capt edges him in every area. That he simply better. This again was to nod at the fact capt is enahnced.
you can't train to perfection in the MU, it's "unrealistic". DCU, different universe, different story. Batman trained to human perfection, which can be interpreted in all sort of ways, but I figure if you're humanly perfect, you're as good as a human can be.
You say "power dampener" as if Cap has some superpower that needed to be supressed. Weren't they just weight, when he got shot, I mean Real humans have taken bullets to the skull and survived. Obie Trice was shot in the head, retained consciousness, checked himself into the hospital, and checked himself out a few hours later with the bullet still in his skull.
DD must be as fast and strong as a trained human can become in the MU, which is not human perfection.
Batman has said or even implied no such thing in any crossover, ever. This I know for a fact.
This infamous misconception was born out of this innocent statement from Bruce to Steve:
"It is possible that you could beat me, avenger, but it would take a long time"
completely irrelevant and totally not in support of the "concept"
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Some scans that support your argument that Cap is evolved and enhanced past "human" levels, would immediately result in my concession, honestly.
Batman started training at what age, 8? 6?
Imagine what would've happened if he had started earlier, the anwer would be he would be better than he is, then the idea of him training to perfection is a fallacy. Batman is the best anyone can be and then some, by being Bruce Wayne. He's still Bruce Wayne and is still limited to Bruce.
Captain's serum erased the "Steve Rogers" part of his limitation, he became more than Steve could really be, no matter if he trained everything in his life, he's just beyond himself, beyond human.
Foolish logic. Could and long time somehow translate to Cap's victory?
Batman is the more dangerous opponent for Croc. He's smarter than Cap, every bit a good an in-battle tactitian, applies better use of stealth, and carries a much more versatile arsenal of equipment. Not to mention he's dealt with Croc countless times.
Here, Cap is without his only weapon.