Re: Killer Croc vs Captain America (Without Shield)
Originally posted by Starscream M
Who wins?
I like how this is turning into a Batman vs Cap thread. There's a large one of those already in existence, and it will never reach any consensus. Batman has feats to match anything you post for Cap, including accelerated healing using spiritual techniques.
That being said, Cap wins.
Slade isn't equal to Cap. Cap has a real evolved human healing. The guy is the next step in human evo. A real super man with all enhanced stats across the board.
Cap strength feats are better then Slade and a enhanced mind and senses to boot.
LOL you logic right back at you. Batman isn't equal to Cap.
Originally posted by Daredevil1lol, those little so-called healing feats you presented couldn't hold a candle to Slade's HF.
Slade isn't equal to Cap. Cap has a real evolved human healing. The guy is the next step in human evo. A real super man with all enhanced stats across the board.Cap strength feats are better then Slade and a enhanced mind and senses to boot.
LOL you logic right back at you. Batman isn't equal to Cap.
Steve Rogers is not evolved, he's juiced, like a bodybuilder and/or meth junkie, but better.
no, they're not, but okay.
"enhanced mind"? you mean like slade who uses 9x more brain power than humanly possible? no, of course not.
"enhanced senses" You mean he can see ant-man when he's microscopic? because Slade can see Atom. I bet he can detect shifts in the earth too right? yeah, sure.lol
"enhanced stats across the board"? yeah, that's why all of his stats are categorized within human level, instead of low meta, like Slade.
Yeah, they're exactly alike.
the one time BS of slade seeing atom is the only example you have for slades superior senses.. its BS and you know it no way in hell will giving some 9x superior eyesight would allow for that sh#$...
slade using 90% of his brain is also a choke b/c in real life he be retarded.. but lets say we give him 9X the mental boost of your average human what does that mean in comics its vague for a reason b/c you cant really attribute much to it.. slade has yet to do anything impressive to show of his 9x brain boost tha some one like cap hasnt done himself..
caps neural kinetics allow him to track bullets in flight obviously that is far above the normal peak human brain capacity,, is it 9x i dont know but neither has slades shtcik ever bn explained..
and slade sensing terra moving the earth beneath him isnt that impressive either something cap can do just as easily and doesnt even require super senses
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
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caps neural kinetics allow him to track bullets in flight obviously that is far above the normal peak human brain capacity,, is it 9x i dont know but neither has slades shtcik ever bn explained..
if being able to react a bullet after it's fired is above peak human... why do so many street level humans do it?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
the one time BS of slade seeing atom is the only example you have for slades superior senses.. its BS and you know it no way in hell will giving some 9x superior eyesight would allow for that sh#$...slade using 90% of his brain is also a choke b/c in real life he be retarded.. but lets say we give him 9X the mental boost of your average human what does that mean in comics its vague for a reason b/c you cant really attribute much to it.. slade has yet to do anything impressive to show of his 9x brain boost tha some one like cap hasnt done himself..
caps neural kinetics allow him to track bullets in flight obviously that is far above the normal peak human brain capacity,, is it 9x i dont know but neither has slades shtcik ever bn explained..
and slade sensing terra moving the earth beneath him isnt that impressive either something cap can do just as easily and doesnt even require super senses
There's more than one instance that diplays Slade's obviously superior senses, although I must say the fact that they are increased a thousandfold(self-stated) should speak for itself.
And who said because his brain capacity is 9x human level that his eyesight is limited to that as well? Why on earth would you even assume that?
lol, I always love when people try to use that arguement. Slade uses 90% of his brain capacity, humans use 10% of theirs. Someone somewhere once interpreted that to mean that Slade only uses 90% of a regular human's brain capacity, which would make him slow I guess. Either way, it's moronic.......read the text right people, and then you can make jokes concerning whatever inaccuracies you find in it.
amplified brain capacity is essentially what accounts for him being able to engage groups simultaneously, even without prep, which he has done several times. He can strategize his actions during a conflict better than most can do prep.
consistently taken on super-teams close combat, Cap hasn't done, BTW.
Many human characters are bullet timers, Cassandra would be an example. Elektra,Lady Shiva, etc. If you are trying to say that Steve has some sort of super-senss that enables him to dodge bullets, you'll have to provide some proof.
When the hell has Cap "detected subtle shifts in the earth", like the moving of tectonic plates? Why then, would you claim that is something Cap could easily do? This is the crap I'm talking about. Cap has never done a similar feat, but somehow you figure he can easily do it, and it's not that impressive? "You must be thinking this is something like simply feeling the ground move beneath him. no, not at all, Steve couldn't pull it off unless he had his senses increased a thousandfold like Slade.
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Slade is immortal. Slade has a healing factor. Slade has superhuman senses and brainpower, not to mention reflexes,durability, and strength. Slade is obviously a meta because he has actual powers, Steve doesn't. Therefore it makes sense that Deathstroke is a low-meta while Cap is not. In other words, they're not equal. The only way someone doesn't get that is if they choose not to. period.
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sigh.. sensing the shift of the earth isnt that impressive like i said any street lvler worth his salt could do the same and some have without being all traumatic and talking about how amplified their senses are well except maybe DD
and on your cap dismissin comment cap actually states to see the bullet other heroes dont see it in flight but rather anticipate its trajectory from their opponents movement
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
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sigh.. sensing the shift of the earth isnt that impressive like i said any street lvler worth his salt could do the same and some have without being all traumatic and talking about how amplified their senses are well except maybe DD
and on your cap dismissin comment cap actually states to see the bullet other heroes dont see it in flight but rather anticipate its trajectory from their opponents movement
1.What did posting that even prove? The feats in my thread, I've seen it.
2. I don't get how you don't understand that Slade is using his super-senses to detect tectonic movement, and no street leveler has done the same or can unless they have superhuman senses, which DD does BTW.
3. Cap dimissing? I simply asked that if you were trying to say Steve uses super-senses to track bullets to prove it.
Many characters that are human are bullet-timers, like I said. It's nothing unique only to Cap.
Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, those little so-called healing feats you presented couldn't hold a candle to Slade's HF.Steve Rogers is not evolved, he's juiced, like a bodybuilder and/or meth junkie, but better.
no, they're not, but okay.
"enhanced mind"? you mean like slade who uses 9x more brain power than humanly possible? no, of course not.
"enhanced senses" You mean he can see ant-man when he's microscopic? because Slade can see Atom. I bet he can detect shifts in the earth too right? yeah, sure.lol
"enhanced stats across the board"? yeah, that's why all of his stats are categorized within human level, instead of low meta, like Slade.
Yeah, they're exactly alike.
Enhanced mind that lets him recall 1000 years on military strategy or what was referenced as a Eidetic memory. Or lets him mind capable of mastering a alien martial art that other masters take decades in mastering? You mean that type of enhanced mind....LOL.
You mean low meta as in below true superhuman...LOL like Slade. Even Static Shock is a meta and yet he doesn't have superhuman strength. Oh wait Slade's strength has never been reference this huh?
"Preternatural" huh? Cap has look up the definition some time.
Lets face it your ignoring big time Cap/Slade strength comparisons and for good reason. Cap has feats of his ICBM shield throw, to breaking out of cryogenic freeze, to even impressing Thor/Ironman with his own strength. You do know that Cap's SSS healing even kept up with Logan in drinking. Yeah Slade is so off the charts compared to Cap..................not.
Also Slade elaborated on Shifting earth to it being shifting ground...LOL.
Shows your exaggerating some of his feats. Heck Cap has sensed the air vibrations in the air against BlackPanther in COC when they fought. To even speak of being able to see faster and slow down time in WW2 fights against the aliens. So again your Slade superiority is even less then what you thought it was to begin with.
Only I don't use these feats to categorize Cap as some be all and end all. Like you try to put Slade on that pedistal and end up failing.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Enhanced mind that lets him recall 1000 years on military strategy or what was referenced as a Eidetic memory. Or lets him mind capable of mastering a alien martial art that other masters take decades in mastering? You mean that type of enhanced mind....LOL.You mean low meta as in below true superhuman...LOL like Slade. Even Static Shock is a meta and yet he doesn't have superhuman strength. Oh wait Slade's strength has never been reference this huh?
"Preternatural" huh? Cap has look up the definition some time.
Lets face it your ignoring big time Cap/Slade strength comparisons and for good reason. Cap has feats of his ICBM shield throw, to breaking out of cryogenic freeze, to even impressing Thor/Ironman with his own strength. You do know that Cap's SSS healing even kept up with Logan in drinking. Yeah Slade is so off the charts compared to Cap..................not.
1.What are you lol-ing about? That doesn't make his mind superhuman, at least not in comics. Batman has feats like that, but Slade's mind is truly superhuman, and stated so, Cap's is not. Next....
2. no, not below true superhuman, that's human, like Cap.
That's what you don't seem to get. Let's say Slade=Cap physically, he'd still be low-meta and not Cap. The guy has powers for christ's sake. That being said, Slade does top him physically, and he has been referenced with super-strength. Pick up a slade comic, he's a meta.
His strength is preternatural, because he's juiced. that's not natural at all.lol
I'm not ignoring anything. You keep saying Cap is stronger, I simply disagree due to the fact that it's not true.
You're truly out of your mind if you think Cap could really press Ironman's or Thor's strength or take a feat like that seriously.
On the other hand, Slade has fought with class 100's mano e mano and inflicting damage with his bare hands. He made Donna Troy(wonder woman) bleed with a punch. He's stronger than Steve.
Cap's "healing factor" is no where near logan's or even Slade's. not even close.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Also Slade elaborated on Shifting earth to it being shifting ground...LOL.Shows your exaggerating some of his feats. Heck Cap has sensed the air vibrations in the air against BlackPanther in COC when they fought. To even speak of being able to see faster and slow down time in WW2 fights against the aliens. So again your Slade superiority is even less then what you thought it was to begin with.
Only I don't use these feats to categorize Cap as some be all and end all. Like you try to put Slade on that pedistal and end up failing.
you guys are so thick.
I know what Slade said, I posted the feat. Thing is, he detect subtle shifts with his super-senses. I don't know how you guys can't understand that that wouldn't be possible without his enhanced senses.
he sensed air vibrations in the air? WTF? that statement amounts to nothing, whatsoever. please be more precise when explaining a "feat".
he sees faster and slows down time? again, I'm gonna need you to be more precise, actually why don't you just post the feat?
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
thats what i was pointing out any street lvler can sense the ground moving for an incoming attack especially when the ground is shifting and what not and vibrating.. my point was that he was blowing it out of proportion
Originally posted by Daredevil1
subtle shifts of the ground....LOL. Seriously you just lost all credibility in this thread.
Subtle shifts only detectable through super-senses. earth shifts all the time, can you sense it? no, because it's not in the sense that you're mistaking it for. If Slade didn't have those powers, he couldn't sense it. You guys can't be too dense to understand that, can you?
