Killer Croc vs Captain America (Without Shield)

Originally posted by darthgoober
What kinds of scans are you wanting to see? I mean what would support his being enhanced past "human" levels in your opinion?

I believe I was pretty precise with this statement:

Originally posted by namorsubby
Some scans that support your argument that Cap is evolved and enhanced past "human" levels, would immediately result in my concession, honestly.

That's what I wanna see. In other words, if Cap is evolved, show me comic evidence supporting it, not hyperbole. If cap is a metahuman or low superhuman, show me something supporting it.

Originally posted by namorsubby
I believe I was pretty precise with this statement:

That's what I wanna see. In other words, if Cap is evolved, show me comic evidence supporting it, not hyperbole. If cap is a metahuman or low superhuman, show me something supporting it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Like what though? Are you looking for feats or what because it seems like you write off anything indicating that Cap is beyond a human's capabilities as PIS or hyperbole. So just give me an example of what will prove the point to you beyond the shadow of a doubt and I'll see what I can do to accomidate.

What do you mean? What exactly has even been shown for me to write off? Not examples proving Cap is a metahuman or an evolved human, that's for sure.

I don't wanna see high-end feats of Cap punching some class whatever or healing fast. That doesn't prove he is a meta. Why? because many peak human characters have those same high end feats that are really impressive but no ones throwing a fit about the fact that they should be low superhuman or meta. They stay peak humans and no one complains. Everyone knows these guys do things humans could never do, but only Cap deserves to take that step up to the next rank. Why?

Originally posted by namorsubby
What do you mean? What exactly has even been shown for me to write off? Not examples proving Cap is a metahuman or an evolved human, that's for sure.

I don't wanna see high-end feats of Cap punching some class whatever or healing fast. That doesn't prove he is a meta. Why? because many peak human characters have those same high end feats that are really impressive but no ones throwing a fit about the fact that they should be low superhuman or meta. They stay peak humans and no one complains. Everyone knows these guys do things humans could never do, but only Cap deserves to take that step up to the next rank. Why?

b/c its bn stated in his own titles by enemy scientist and files like shield as well as other meta's that acknowledge cap being more then human..

the fact that these other guys who survive or heal tend to have things like chi amp which cap does not..

the fact that his metabolism is beyond human and has bn shown repeatedly means he is not "peak" human but more.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Well then what do you want dude? I'm asking you strait out "what do you want to see exactly". Just give me an example...

1. Where is cap stated metahuman or low superhuman? Cap feats that some deem worthy of metahuman status because of impressiveness is not enough. In that case Batman,DD,Nightwing,Elektra, etc etc etc are all low metas.

2. Show me a scan that says Cap is really an evolved human due to the SSS and only the SSS itself isn't responsible for his attributes directly.

Originally posted by King Castle
b/c its bn stated in his own titles by enemy scientist and files like shield as well as other meta's that acknowledge cap being more then human..

the fact that these other guys who survive or heal tend to have things like chi amp which cap does not..

the fact that his metabolism is beyond human and has bn shown repeatedly means he is not "peak" human but more.

1. Show me.

2. I guess some do, but so what? That doesn't go for everyone but Cap.

3. examples please? Hopefully not the headwound or virus related scans, because.......I'll just wait till you show em.lol

you bn told and shown repeatedly.. a virus related scan?
you mean the biological gas that he walked through where he was the only one not effected while others were including she hulk?

how about the nazi scientist that captured cap in the sub stated he had the strength of ten men,, or bucky(cap) stating that cap was three times faster and stronger then himself..

or wolverine saying that cap is the energizer bunny of the costume set that he does more then any one human can do with apparent no powers he just keeps on going.

the fact that cap has stated repeatedly that the SSS enhances his metabolism to where he cant get drunk or that his sight allows him to see bullets or whatnot...

or that he has jumped from a hovering helicopter and cracked the pavement creating a small crater with his feet without injury..

or how about every high lvl brick hit he has consistently taken seeing as how you like to rely on this lvl of logic with slade as proof as superiority?

how about that he was once poison with a costum poison which he survived and ripped through chains and escaped as his metabolism only slowed down... this would have killed bats.

ppl like shang or IF if they survive its through mystic means and they have survived similar things but has always bn clear that they meditate and tap into chi a mystic ability in marvel...but keep laughing and dismissing his feats he is consistent in his showings..

Originally posted by namorsubby
Am I really being that vague? Short of describing a hypothetical scene that would prove Cap is meta and evolved, I've been pretty precise.

1. Where is cap stated metahuman or low superhuman? Cap feats that some deem worthy of metahuman status because of impressiveness is not enough. In that case Batman,DD,Nightwing,Elektra, etc etc etc are all low metas.

2. Show me a scan that says Cap is really an evolved human due to the SSS and only the SSS itself isn't responsible for his attributes directly.

Originally posted by darthgoober
So let me get this strait just so there's no question later on, if I can round up a scan where it's said that Cap is superhuman/metahuman or a scan that says Cap was evolved by the SSS you'll conceed the point and acknowledge that he's beyond "peak human"?

Originally posted by namorsubby
Sure, but let's not present a scan that needs some "colorful" interpretation to amount to that. I've seen a lot of that. hyberbole, etc are out.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap handles poison.
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Originally posted by darthgoober
No no now, no talk about hyperbole. I want to know what it will take to make you accept it as NOT hyperbole. Don't be afraid to be specific, I want the next scan I post for you on the matter to be the last.

Tell you what DB, Why don't you just post why you believe Cap is a meta and/or evolved and we go from there. Me being dreadfully specific so you can try and find a feat to play off my exact words doesn't interest me. I believe I was specific enough with my first post. Something that shows Cap is evolved and/or superhuman/meta, how much more specific do you want?

Cap breaks his jaw and send him back to Gotham crying and begging batman to go beat up Cap for him, but to his surprise batman Changes the subject every time he says caps name.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Something that shows Cap is evolved and/or superhuman/meta, how much more specific do you want?

*sigh* dude, i can't believe you posted this here today , after you've had a 5 week debate on this very subject in your own thread, which contains vast amounts of evidence to suggest Cap is a low level super.

'meta' doesn't exist in the MU of course we wont find a direct quote there. But we will find people that call him 'super' and 'enhanced beyond..blah blah' Pulling the truck through the desert, jumping from the choppa, outracing a bullet, deflecting bullets after being fired, staggering Hulk, fighting ANY version of Namor. The punishement from Iron Man, toe to toe with Ironspidey, braking Thors arm, bending one of Wolverines adamanium claws under his own strength, choking out colossus, punching through Sue Storms forcefield..i mean it's all there dude, seriously you just have to look. 😛

ok seriously, i know your response will be "someone like batman has feats just like that - HE must be super too then" well, thats DC's hang up, it's a different verse with different bar set. Back to topic, if you can stagger Hulk and KO namor, and handle ironspidey..then you can take killer croc to the cleaners.

Originally posted by Juk3n
*sigh* dude, i can't believe you posted this here today , after you've had a 5 week debate on this very subject in your own thread, which contains vast amounts of evidence to suggest Cap is a low level super.

'meta' doesn't exist in the MU of course we wont find a direct quote there. But we will find people that call him 'super' and 'enhanced beyond..blah blah' Pulling the truck through the desert, jumping from the choppa, outracing a bullet, deflecting bullets after being fired, staggering Hulk, fighting ANY version of Namor. The punishement from Iron Man, toe to toe with Ironspidey, braking Thors arm, bending one of Wolverines adamanium claws under his own strength, choking out colossus, punching through Sue Storms forcefield..i mean it's all there dude, seriously you just have to look. 😛

ok seriously, i know your response will be "someone like batman has feats just like that - HE must be super too then" well, thats DC's hang up, it's a different verse with different bar set. Back to topic, if you can stagger Hulk and KO namor, and handle ironspidey..then you can take killer croc to the cleaners.

Like I've said a million times, Cap is not meta or superhuman anywhere but in the hearts and minds of his biggest fans.

I don't understand how you people can see a difference between his outstanding feats and those of peak humans in both universes, not just DC.

His legit feats still stand whether he's called superhuman/meta or not, so I really don't know why you guys keep stressing this. It's basically irrelevant.

Cap's not a classified meta, he's a "peak human" character who performs a "superhuman" type feat every other issue, just like any other well-known, grade A peak human. I don't see why a few people want Cap to be an exception, then again, there seems to be an overflowing and frankly, overwhelming affinity for Rogers around this particular site.

Oh, and Steve Rogers FTW

And Slade isn't superhuman he just does a superhuman feat every other issue like every other A-list Street character......LOL at your logic.

And no he's not just peak human he's the peak of human potential unlike the rest of the so called peak human's that you clasify.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
And Slade isn't superhuman he just does a superhuman feat every other issue like every other A-list Street character......LOL at your logic.

1.You can't just reverse my statement for slade, seeing as he is an actual stated/classified superhuman/meta. And FYI, when I say "stated/classified" I don't mean by a handful of irrational fanatics.

2.When I say Cap performs "superhuman" feats, I mean feats that are obviously not humanly possible in the real world. I thought that was self-explanatory, but I forgot who I was dealing with.

LOL at your........well, I can't really call it logic.

Originally posted by Daredevil1

And no he's not just peak human he's the peak of human potential unlike the rest of the so called peak human's that you clasify.

1.Peak of human potential - Peak human........do I seriously have to explain how the phrase relates to the term?

2. I don't classify anything. You can despise the messager all you want, but I didn't lay out the standards......those directly involved with these comics did.

You can't reverse my statement for Cap since he's been classified as as superhuman/super-man/preternatural/super-soldier/evolved human/peak of human potential.................LOL.

No wonder many are arguing against you logic. Your right you didn't lay out the standards thats why the comics show your logic at fault.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
You can't reverse my statement for Cap since he's been classified as as superhuman/super-man/preternatural/super-soldier/evolved human/peak of human potential.................LOL.

No wonder many are arguing against you logic. Your right you didn't lay out the standards thats why the comics show your logic at fault.

You clearly don't understand what "classified" means, but I won't hold it against you.

Many? You mean a handful of neanderthals, right?

lol, Which comics exactly?

Why don't you try showing proof of him being classified as these things you claim. See what you do is when you make a statement in a debate, and then you use evidence to support it. The evidence presented is called an arguement

Fact of the matter is Slade isn't true superhuman. And you haven't showed any proof that he's >> then Cap.

Slade just does what other street level characters do every other issue. he he he he he.

Seriously thats your logic and can be easily used against you. Metahuman even Static shock is classifed that and yet his stats are not that great. Slade just classified to be different like a mutant. No wonder he was titled almost superhuman.