Mosque at Ground Zero

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
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Islam didn't destroy the WTC. Radical people did.

Ridiculous. The fact that he keeps drawing a connection between The bombings and Islamic beliefs is so lame. Almost any muslim you ask will condemn the bombings

Well, what else are they gonna say? They kinda have to condemn the bombings, if they want Americans to keep attending their convenience stores.

Their belief in the Muslim afterlife is what gave them courage to do the acts. Mohammed Atta's luggage never made it on the plane, so when the Feds recovered it they found a hijacker's manual where he says Islam completely justifies and absolves their actions.

That implies that you think all Muslims are in on some sort of conspiracy of silence, which is absurdly paranoid talk. If you cannot see the distinction between a religion's mainstream and its lunatic wing, you have a problem.

To quote West Wing, Islamic Fundamentalism is to Islam is what the KKK was to Christianity.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We don't really know that. That is as much of an assumption as those people who claim that the mosque is being placed there for nefarious reasons.

with the exception being one is an easily supportable assertion backed by all available evidence, the other is highly unlikely and has no evidence backing it.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Well, what else are they gonna say? They kinda have to condemn the bombings, if they want Americans to keep attending their convenience stores.

So you're saying most muslims do believe that the WTC bombings were justified religiously but they're afraid to say so out of fear of persecution?

Their belief in the Muslim afterlife is what gave them courage to do the acts. Mohammed Atta's luggage never made it on the plane, so when the Feds recovered it they found a hijacker's manual where he says Islam completely justifies and absolves their actions.

Anyone can justify anything to themselves. Just because the terrorists think that they were justified in doing what did doesn't mean that most of the religions' followers share those same sentiments.

Originally posted by amnesia
[B]talking to me?

Yes.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Well, what else are they gonna say? They kinda have to condemn the bombings, if they want Americans to keep attending their convenience stores.

Al Qaeda has commited more attacks against Muslims than Americans.

No reason really.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
That implies that you think all Muslims are in on some sort of conspiracy of silence, which is absurdly paranoid talk. If you cannot see the distinction between a religion's mainstream and its lunatic wing, you have a problem.

To quote West Wing, Islamic Fundamentalism is to Islam is what the KKK was to Christianity.

You're quoting a tv show for credibilty?

The KKK was never founded in the name of Christianity, it was a grassroots organization whose original aim was to Resurrect the Confedracy. I've encountered Klan members before, and they're definitely not relgious warriors.

Originally posted by inimalist
Al Qaeda has commited more attacks against Muslims than Americans.

Because that's all there is in Afghanistan. There isn't really a huge Christian population for them to attack.

It's certainly a whole lot more credible and intelligent than your statement above- that was an absurd generalisation.

And the KKK was a deeply religious organisation. Were the crosses not a clue?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's a very reasonable assumption- far more so than the contrary. Honestly, you are now just looking as if you are being awkward for the sake of it.

No, I have a very different point. I said it when I first posted, and have not changed. All I am trying to do is make people realize that we are making a big deal out of nothing. Even if the guy in the video is absolutely correct, Islam cannot concur the US. They don’t want to concur the US, in the first place. We would only corrupt their religion. What they want is obvious. They want us out of their land. But America has a policy of sticking their noise into other peoples business. I think that sucks, but I understand why. The why is history. Are we really destined to repeats our selves?

I think what you are noticing is that fact I am not spending a lot of time explaining myself. I multitask all day long, and I’ve not been attentive. I will try to do better. 😄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
We don't really know that. That is as much of an assumption as those people who claim that the mosque is being placed there for nefarious reasons.

If they wanted to do it for other reasons they wouldn't be offering to help non Muslims understand their religion or reaching out to them by saying that other religions can make use of the facility... because if they were doing it to spite America or people of different religions they wouldn't be reaching out to them in this way.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, I have a very different point. I said it when I first posted, and have not changed. All I am trying to do is make people realize that we are making a big deal out of nothing. Even if the guy in the video is absolutely correct, Islam cannot concur the US. They don’t want to concur the US, in the first place. We would only corrupt their religion. What they want is obvious. They want us out of their land. But America has a policy of sticking their noise into other peoples business. I think that sucks, but I understand why. The why is history. Are we really destined to repeats our selves?

I think what you are noticing is that fact I am not spending a lot of time explaining myself. I multitask all day long, and I’ve not been attentive. I will try to do better. 😄

Right... basically, it looks like most of your posts to him, then, were a waste of time. Your querying of the reasons for the construction went nowhere. I think you must brace yourself for criticism if you post like that.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Because that's all there is in Afghanistan. There isn't really a huge Christian population for them to attack.

do you actually think most muslims support Al Qaeda?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's certainly a whole lot more credible and intelligent than your statement above- that was an absurd generalisation.

And the KKK was a deeply religious organisation. Were the crosses not a clue?

You mean when they burn crosses in the front yards of Black houses? That's a terror tactic. The KKK also belives Jesus had blonde hair and blue eyes. It may have religous members, but it was never intended to be based around relgion, despite some rhetoric and literature written by certain members. It's a white nationalist organization who wants the US to be one color.

Originally posted by inimalist
do you actually think most muslims support Al Qaeda?

No, I know most don't. I may be a barrio Mexican, but I'm not a complete idiot.

that is totally untrue, I'd suggest "Them" by Jon Ronson as a good indication of the religiosity of the Klan

Well I am afraid you are in error there, QM. The KKK is precisely a protestant terror organisation using biblical teachings in support of its message. Feel free to go look up how its entire early 20th century schtick was entirely about attacking Jewish and Catholic migrants. It's always nice to learn a bit of history, then you won't look so ignorant in a deabte like this.

Whilst you are there, go look at their mission statement on their website front page.

http://www.kkk.com/

Now we have trashed this weird idea that the KKK is not a religious organisation, as forms a basic part of all informed debate on the society, I feel we can move on from silly statements about all Muslims staying silent.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
No, I know most don't. I may be a barrio Mexican, but I'm not a complete idiot.

then why did you insinuate that a muslim might be lying when they condemned the 9-11 attacks?

as I said earlier, explaining the gravity of the death toll actually made one of the plotters spill the beans to interrogators, if Lawrence Wright's "looming tower" (i think) is to be believed. (it was that or 1% doctrine)

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Right... basically, it looks like most of your posts to him, then, were a waste of time. Your querying of the reasons for the construction went nowhere. I think you must brace yourself for criticism if you post like that.

I have no problem with criticism.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Well I am afraid you are in error there, QM. The KKK is precisely a protestant terror organisation using biblical teachings in support of its message. Feel free to go look up how its entire early 20th century schtick was entirely about attacking Jewish and Catholic migrants. It;s always nice to learn a bit of history, then you won;t look so ignorant in a deabte like this.

Whilst you are there, go look at their mission statement on their website front page.

http://www.kkk.com/

Now we have trashed this weird idea that the KKK is not a religious organisation, I feel we can move on from silly statements about all Muslims staying silent.

I already know all of that. I know what they publicly claim (I've seen their rallies in person), but do you think the prime incentive for members to join is a love for Jesus, or a hatred of black people?

Do you honestly believe their thousands of members are all loyal church-goers, who read the Bible daily? C'mon. Its a hate group that tries to sugarcoat what they're all about. They exist to spread hate and have an itching trigger finger to kill Blacks, Mexicans and Jews.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have no problem with criticism.

That's not necessarily a laudable position. Try to cut it out in future.