Mosque at Ground Zero

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I already know all of that. I know what they publicly claim (I've seen their rallies in person), but do you think the prime incentive for members to join is a love for Jesus, or a hatred of black people?

Do you honestly believe their thousands of members are all loyal church-goers, who read the Bible daily? C'mon. Its a hate group that tries to sugarcoat what they're all about. They exist to spread hate and have an itching trigger finger to kill Blacks, Mexicans and Jews.

It's a hate group that uses religious texts to support its message and does what it does in the purported name of God. It is directly and absolutely comparable with Islamic fundamentalism in that regard, and your attempts to deny that look a bit silly.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I already know all of that. I know what they publicly claim (I've seen their rallies in person), but do you think the prime incentive for members to join is a love for Jesus, or a hatred of black people?

Do you honestly believe their thousands of members are all loyal church-goers, who read the Bible daily? C'mon. Its a hate group that tries to sugarcoat what they're all about. They exist to spread hate and have an itching trigger finger to kill Blacks, Mexicans and Jews.

You could really say the same thing about Al-Qaeda. They're much more anti-West than pro-Islam.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I already know all of that. I know what they publicly claim (I've seen their rallies in person), but do you think the prime incentive for members to join is a love for Jesus, or a hatred of black people?

Do you honestly believe their thousands of members are all loyal church-goers, who read the Bible daily? C'mon. Its a hate group that tries to sugarcoat what they're all about. They exist to spread hate and have an itching trigger finger to kill Blacks, Mexicans and Jews.

The KKK has a problem with people who don't attend church regularly or read the bible...

and cross burning was not originally done on the lawns of black people, but in the forest as a religious ritual.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You could really say the same thing about Al-Qaeda. They're much more anti-West than pro-Islam.

Isn't their ultimate goal World Wide Sharia? And the American way of life flies in the face of that. So the reason they're Anti-West, is because the West and America are both conflicting ideologies and therefore must be dealt with accordingly.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's a hate group that uses religious texts to support its message and does what it does in the purported name of God. It is directly and absolutely comparable with Islamic fundamentalism in that regard, and your attempts to deny that look a bit silly.

They both use religion to justify they're acts, but their goals are different. One world Muslim govt. and an all white nation. So yeah, they're comparable in that one regard (they also both hate Jews), but that's where similarities end. The KKK was founded way before Radical Islam was ever a thought.

And I've actually talked to and gotten into fights with Klansmen, you just know what you've seen on tv and the internet. I'm telling you, they're not religious warriors. They exist to hate people with different skin colors.

Originally posted by inimalist
The KKK has a problem with people who don't attend church regularly or read the bible...

and cross burning was not originally done on the lawns of black people, but in the forest as a religious ritual.

A ritual that they made up.

A long with thinking that Jesus was a blonde Aryan, they believe that Nordics, not Jews, are the Chosen People.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
They both use religion to justify they're acts, but their goals are different. One world Muslim govt. and an all white nation. So yeah, they're comparable in that one regard (they also both hate Jews), but that's where similarities end. The KKK was founded way before Radical Islam was ever a thought.

And I've actually talked to and gotten into fights with Klansmen, you just know what you've seen on tv and the internet. I'm telling you, they're not religious warriors. They exist to hate people with different skin colors.

A ritual that they made up.

A long with thinking that Jesus was a blonde Aryan, they believe that Nordics, not Jews, are the Chosen People.

Why do you keep thinking that the opinions or beliefs of a few people = the opinions or beliefs of the majority? You made that same mistake a few posts up with the whole "Most muslims think A but say B out of fear" thing. How do you know that? Because you've talked to a couple?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Isn't their ultimate goal World Wide Sharia? And the American way of life flies in the face of that. So the reason they're Anti-West, is because the West and America are both conflicting ideologies and therefore must be dealt with accordingly.

this is not really correct. Does Al Qaeda really state world wide sharia as a goal?

either way, radical Islam is inherently anti-western, to its core. It developed as an ideology opposed to colonialism, and is as much about the political struggle of oppressed Muslims against occupying foreigners as it is about religious domination.

And with no doubt, the religious domination aspect came long after the political struggle component. Qutb never talks of world domination, nor Khomeni.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
A ritual that they made up.

so? radical muslims made up many of the interpretations that lead to violent extremism. I don't see your point...

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
A long with thinking that Jesus was a blonde Aryan, they believe that Nordics, not Jews, are the Chosen People.

so? Just because they don't believe the same things that moderate christians do, or because their religion is ripe with social and political commentary doesn't make them not a religious organization.

I don't agree, necessicarily, that Al Qaeda and the KKK are really analogous, but they both do have a similar relationship with religion.

Al Qaeda is said to go by the Koran, but they go by THEIR interpretation of it, not what the Muslims intrepretation as a whole is. They twist the words in it and try to imply thats what god wants them to do, so I really think they don't believe as much in religion as they say but use it to try to justify their reasons for doing terrible things.

Originally posted by Vanity
Al Qaeda is said to go by the Koran, but they go by THEIR interpretation of it, not what the Muslims intrepretation as a whole is. They twist the words in it and try to imply thats what god wants them to do, so I really think they don't believe as much in religion as they say but use it to try to justify their reasons for doing terrible things.

Religious documents long ago were considered to be literal truths and the idea of implied text, or opinionated analysis didn't exist. These days that's pretty much all religious people use to justify their faith in a certain religion. There is no WHOLE interpretation. Everyone differs in their opinions. Scholars of theology in each religion no doubt have conflicting views.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Religious documents long ago were considered to be literal truths and the idea of implied text, or opinionated analysis didn't exist. These days that's pretty much all religious people use to justify their faith in a certain religion. There is no WHOLE interpretation. Everyone differs in their opinions. Scholars of theology in each religion no doubt have conflicting views.

I understand that, but even if some have different intrepretations, they are relitivly the same, except it some cases such as Al Qaeda

Originally posted by Vanity
I understand that, but even if some have different intrepretations, they are relitivly the same, except it some cases such as Al Qaeda

lol, if they are different then they clearly can't be the same. How do you know Al Qaeda's interpretation isn't the correct one?

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
lol, if they are different then they clearly can't be the same. How do you know Al Qaeda's interpretation isn't the correct one?

Okay fine their intrepretation is the right one, i guess im going to join Al Qaeda and blow up buildings because its the right thing to do for Allah. blowup 🙄

Originally posted by Vanity
I said relativly.... you know, for the most part?

Okay fine their intrepretation is the right one, i guess im going to join Al Qaeda and blow up buildings because its the right thing to do for Allah. blowup 🙄

I was being serious. If a holy document is open for interpretation how do you know Al Qaeda doesn't have the best interpretation?

Originally posted by amnesia
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I'm especially indifferent to it, seeing as it is in the US and 9/11 didn't affect me in any way.

Originally posted by 753
hilarious stuff

He posted a more recent video on ground zero. I'm currently indifferent as well, I mean the owner has the right to do as he pleases and of course we have to obey our constitution, but everything about this ordeal is suspicious. I heard that the owner of the land was offered other land to build his mosque, but he refused and insisted that it be built where it's currently being built.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
I was being serious. If a holy document is open for interpretation how do you know Al Qaeda doesn't have the best interpretation?

Originally posted by amnesia
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I am greatly outspoken about Islam, and have been at the time when everyone was shit scared to say anything about it, convincing me I didn't understand the 'religion'.

HOWEVER....

That is just tasteless dribble by someone who learned 2 words in Arabic, kufur and dhimmi and decided to parade them about.
Islam's violent nature has been known to certain Europeans since 1300s when Turks set their sights on Europe and to Middle Easterners and Arabs since Muhammad was assured by his 60 year old wife that, in fact, he wasn't having an epileptic seizure, but that he was a chosen prophet, contacted, not by jinn, but by no less than Gabriel himself.

Western Europeans and Americans have only had a small taste of what Muhammedians are capable of. I say Muhammeians, because those are the ones that follow in the footsteps of 7th century war lord - the others are Muslims, those who randomly recite shahada and choose to ignore Muhammad's absurd behaviour and barbaric warlord practices and instead concentrate on Allah instead. The normal people.

That video was offensive and not very constructive. He acts as he's now enlightened on all things Muslim because he has lived in the time when 9/11 happened and 7/7. Ohhh Big allah damn deal.

His offensive and ridiculous claims are a stain on honest Islam discussion, reduced by this man to an offensive insult spewing fest.

Rant over.

EDIT: not over yet...

W. Europeans have allowed Mulsims to build massive ass mosques everywhere. Why the hell would they be considerate about your tradition, buildings and religion when you're not.

Stop talking rubbish

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Religious documents long ago were considered to be literal truths and the idea of implied text, or opinionated analysis didn't exist.

👆

And that's how Radical Islamists look at the Koran. The concept of "interpretation" doesn't exist with them. They wanna turn the world into 7th Century Arabia.