Mosque at Ground Zero

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
How do you know that?

Because they're so selective of which sin they're so against. If it was because 'the bible tells me so', then there would be equal intolerance.

Anti-homosexuality is major among religious groups, from outright condemning it to enacting laws that make homosexuals like 2nd class citizens. Don't think you'd disagree with this.

When the last time you've seen anti-Adultery campaigns from religious groups/people? Denying adulterers equal rights, groups of people holding up anti-Adultery signs etc.? Or any other sin for that matter get this type of attention and condemnation from the religious groups.

Islamophobia has become so mainstream today and its disgusting imo

Wolfram Richter, professor of economics at Dortmund University of Technology has said "I am afraid we have not learned from our history. My main fear is that what we did to Jews we may now do to Muslims. The next holocaust would be against Muslims."

I hope that doesn't happen but it could be a possibility with all these far right political parties gaining support within the EU.

Originally posted by majid86
Wolfram Richter, professor of economics at Dortmund University of Technology has said "I am afraid we have not learned from our history. My main fear is that what we did to Jews we may now do to Muslims. The next holocaust would be against Muslims."

I hope that doesn't happen but it could be a possibility with all these far right political parties gaining support within the EU.

i can't believe i'm actually saying this, but there is a lot of truth to this statement. the political right in this country bares a frightening resemblance to a lot of the conservative parties that were in europe in the late 19th century with the nationalist rhetoric, fear of socialism, conviction of national superiority, and the distinction between legal americans and ethnic americans (replace americans with germans/french). Most of my education has involved germany and france so i don't know about other countries, but both countries had many of the same elements as ours does now.

tied to the nationalistic rhetoric used, we have also a corruption of democratic ideals similar to those of europe during the early 20th century. after the french revolution (1790's), we see democracy take on more militant and xenophobic implementation which continues for the next century. if a government is ruled by the people, and the government goes to war, than the people go to war. on people fight another rather than one administration fighting another. this makes it personal rather than political and further fuels the fire of nationalism and ethnic superiority. so, with the attack of 9/11 we see american conservatives look at it as an attack of one people (muslims) against another (americans) rather than an act motivate by politics which it was. so, the war that would follow, while political in genesis and in aim would in fact be regarded as a war between two peoples (americans and muslims) rather than one between two policies. it is this perspective that has formed the misconception that muslims are not true americans as we are currently engaged in a war between americans and muslims. this is the thought process from which racism towards muslims is formed, and it bares a startling similarity to the perspective that most european nations had towards each other in 1912 and what all european nations had towards communists, socialists, and jews for decades preceding the Holocaust.

Originally posted by Rapscallion
i can't believe i'm actually saying this, but there is a lot of truth to this statement. the political right in this country bares a frightening resemblance to a lot of the conservative parties that were in europe in the late 19th century with the nationalist rhetoric, fear of socialism, conviction of national superiority, and the distinction between legal americans and ethnic americans (replace americans with germans/french). Most of my education has involved germany and france so i don't know about other countries, but both countries had many of the same elements as ours does now.

tied to the nationalistic rhetoric used, we have also a corruption of democratic ideals similar to those of europe during the early 20th century. after the french revolution (1790's), we see democracy take on more militant and xenophobic implementation which continues for the next century. if a government is ruled by the people, and the government goes to war, than the people go to war. on people fight another rather than one administration fighting another. this makes it personal rather than political and further fuels the fire of nationalism and ethnic superiority. so, with the attack of 9/11 we see american conservatives look at it as an attack of one people (muslims) against another (americans) rather than an act motivate by politics which it was. so, the war that would follow, while political in genesis and in aim would in fact be regarded as a war between two peoples (americans and muslims) rather than one between two policies. it is this perspective that has formed the misconception that muslims are not true americans as we are currently engaged in a war between americans and muslims. this is the thought process from which racism towards muslims is formed, and it bares a startling similarity to the perspective that most european nations had towards each other in 1912 and what all european nations had towards communists, socialists, and jews for decades preceding the Holocaust.

Fear of socialism? Nazi party was a socialist party.

However, I think you're drawing some uneven parallels. Arab Muslims are not angry at US for its freedom, but for its involvement in the Middle East and in particular Palestine. Palestine is the root of the anger.

Originally posted by majid86
Wolfram Richter, professor of economics at Dortmund University of Technology has said "I am afraid we have not learned from our history. My main fear is that what we did to Jews we may now do to Muslims. The next holocaust would be against Muslims."

I hope that doesn't happen but it could be a possibility with all these far right political parties gaining support within the EU.

That doesn't seem even close to possible at this point in time.

Islamophobia is the new Anti-Semitism
And people who preach hatred towards Muslim are just as bad as the scum who gassed the Jews.
I choose to survive rather then to be eliminated by these Islamophobic bigots and i cant believe the people of Europe are actually voting for these far right fascist scumbags.

Ive already chosen my side and im prepared for the inevitable battle. I will not just stand by & let them slaughter us.

Originally posted by majid86
Islamophobia is the new Anti-Semitism

Originally posted by majid86
Islamophobia is the new Anti-Semitism
And people who preach hatred towards Muslim are just as bad as the scum who gassed the Jews.
I choose to survive rather then to be eliminated by these Islamophobic bigots and i cant believe the people of Europe are actually voting for these far right fascist scumbags.

Ive already chosen my side and im prepared for the inevitable battle. I will not just stand by & let them slaughter us.

Blind hatred for muslims is as bad as anti-semitism or any other kind of racism. However, pointing out accurate information about certain movements within Islam, with problems such as violence and sexism, is not islamophobic. And one of those facts is that muslim leaders, especially those inciting violence, are quick to demand absolute tolerance for their Religion, while showing none to others. A fact which has been brilliantly pointed out by South Park in their episodes "200" and "201" and supported by the reaction of certain elements within Islam.

I am not sure who you are talking about when you say "far right fascist" scumbags? I believe the BNP hasn't gotten one seat in the General Elections. I know for certain that no right wing/fascist party got any seat in the German Elections. And there's absolutely no evidence, that anything close to a majority, or even a significant minority wants a race war to happen or Muslims to be exterminated.

You are quite right to say there are problems that need to be fixed especially about racism, sexism, homophobia and other bigotry...but this world you imagine where any moment the Muslims might be transported off to concentration camps, is just that...imaginary.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Blind hatred for muslims is as bad as anti-semitism or any other kind of racism. However, pointing out accurate information about certain movements within Islam, with problems such as violence and sexism, is not islamophobic. And one of those facts is that muslim leaders, especially those inciting violence, are quick to demand absolute tolerance for their Religion, while showing none to others. A fact which has been brilliantly pointed out by South Park in their episodes "200" and "201" and supported by the reaction of certain elements within Islam.

I am not sure who you are talking about when you say "far right fascist" scumbags? I believe the BNP hasn't gotten one seat in the General Elections. I know for certain that no right wing/fascist party got any seat in the German Elections. And there's absolutely no evidence, that anything close to a majority, or even a significant minority wants a race war to happen or Muslims to be exterminated.

You are quite right to say there are problems that need to be fixed especially about racism, sexism, homophobia and other bigotry...but this world you imagine where any moment the Muslims might be transported off to concentration camps, is just that...imaginary.

Well i personally condemn Anti-Semitism just as much as Islamophobia or any hatred towards Hindus, Sikhs & Buddhists. Sure, they are alot of extremist Islamic regimes in power in the Middle East and im not very found of those regimes especially Iran's government. Just take a look at myself, im a young secular British Sunni Muslim who would never use my freedom of speech to attack someone's religion because its just plain hatred and bigotry period. Im not a big fan of Homosexuality but i have never ever said any Homophobic remarks towards any gay people and i would never do that because its their way of life and i have no right to interfere at all.

And i agree with the rest of what you said though and i hope Europe will find peace between its populations whether its the Christians, Jews & Muslim communities.
I personally & honestly do not want to see a race war between Muslims & and non Muslims in Europe because its puts the lives of over 300 million people at risk and it would destroy everything that we had built up for the past 50 years.

Indeed

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Fear of socialism? Nazi party was a socialist party.

However, I think you're drawing some uneven parallels. Arab Muslims are not angry at US for its freedom, but for its involvement in the Middle East and in particular Palestine. Palestine is the root of the anger.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Fear of socialism? Nazi party was a socialist party.

no it wasn't. The Nazis were, by no stretch of the imagination, in anyway socialist. they were "socialist" in name only. their full name was actually the National Socialist German Worker's Party because they wanted to appeal to the german public in the wake of the weimar republic but they actually ended up persecuting socialists and communists. They were not remotely socialist or egalitarian at all. On the contrary, 1930's germany had one of the most rigid social hierarchies in history. it was hierarchical in terms of economics, politics, and ethnicity. Much of the nazi's ideology came from Frederick Nietzsche, possibly the most anti-socialist philosopher who ever existed. he claimed that in an ideal world there are two classes the master class and the slave class and that the slave class, the large uneducated masses existed for the sole purpose of serving the genetically superior and economically elite master class. how is that in anyway socialist? Furthermore they associated socialism and communism with jews and passed multiple pieces of legislation persecuting communists. communists socialist and members of workers' unions were actually persecuted years before the Final Solution was even implemented. they were the first people who the Nazi's attacked as they posed a political threat.

So no, the Nazi party was not a socialist party. Socialism went against the very fundamentals of their entire ideology.

Originally posted by 753
In name only, they were profoundly anti-socialist and used red scares as a propaganda tactic throughout their whole brief history.

I agree, but when did he say arab muslims are angry at the us for its freedoms?

woops. shoulda read that before i posted. oh well.

Originally posted by Rapscallion
no it wasn't. The Nazis were, by no stretch of the imagination, in anyway socialist. they were "socialist" in name only. their full name was actually the National Socialist German Worker's Party because they wanted to appeal to the german public in the wake of the weimar republic but they actually ended up persecuting socialists and communists. They were not remotely socialist or egalitarian at all. On the contrary, 1930's germany had one of the most rigid social hierarchies in history. it was hierarchical in terms of economics, politics, and ethnicity. Much of the nazi's ideology came from Frederick Nietzsche, possibly the most anti-socialist philosopher who ever existed. he claimed that in an ideal world there are two classes the master class and the slave class and that the slave class, the large uneducated masses existed for the sole purpose of serving the genetically superior and economically elite master class. how is that in anyway socialist? Furthermore they associated socialism and communism with jews and passed multiple pieces of legislation persecuting communists. communists socialist and members of workers' unions were actually persecuted years before the Final Solution was even implemented. they were the first people who the Nazi's attacked as they posed a political threat.

So no, the Nazi party was not a socialist party. Socialism went against the very fundamentals of their entire ideology.

That's not completely true, some of the practices of the NSDAP are congruent with with those of certain socialist or communist ideals.

They weren't actually socialist of course, just sayin'.

hitler and his generals were fans of a concept called "war socialism" or "war communism". it isn't a strict soviet style socialism, but it did command huge sectors of the economy for the war effort, styled very much or socialist economic principles

Originally posted by 753
But there are churches near hiroshima and american military bases all over the country - the latter aren't well liked though.

When you win the war, and even get to rewrite a country's constitution, you get the spoils.

Originally posted by roughrider
When you win the war, and even get to rewrite a country's constitution, you get the spoils.

Japan's more than happy to have US military bases on its soil. It constantly reminds China why they can't just steam-roll over Japan, as they REALLY want to.

ditto