The New Jedi Order vs The Roman Empire

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One Free Man Restricted

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I have provided evidence that Jedi can survive in the Sahara long enough to find other people.
no you haven't.
You haven't given evidence that Jar Jar Binks is Force sensitive; having good ability (but I don't know where you got Jar Jar Binks having pre cog from) is present in SW (and real life as well, of course) people that aren't Force sensitive.
Prove he's not. You've failed to provide proof that my scenario wouldn't happen.

And how is that scenario "not even close to believable"? What flaws are there in it?
they've been given.

And the Romans generally fought in close formations where the other guys would attack the Romans. The Romans would block with their shield and then impale the guy attacking him. This technique wouldn't work against the Jedi
I don't think you realize how outnumbered the jedi are here. i also don't get where you got teh 200 jedi number. Please post a cannon reference indicating the jedi to be over 50.

Oh, and bows and other ranged weapons that the Roman had could be Force pushed back or, since Jedi can deflect blaster bolts (which move far faster and are more powerful than, say, Roman javelins), blocked. Heck, the Jedi can even dodge them. Surrounding the Jedi wouldn't work since the Jedi could Force push a part of the Roman formation, knocking the Romans down and scattering their formation long enough for the Jedi to escape.
they wouldn't block the javelines, they'd just slice through it but the point would keep going. Also, i don't think you realize how outnumbered the jedi are here.
Luke alone killed thousand of YV warriors (if you counter this by saying that he used a Battle Meld, then I can counter by saying that he can use a Battle Meld again in this scenario) in TUF.
so what? he's going to kill 6000 using a battle meditation?
A YV warrior is more powerful than a Roman legionary by A LOT.
just because you say so.
The Romans wouldn't send ALL of their forces at the Jedi at once
just because you say so.
as the re would be several problems with doing that.
just because you say so.
What stops Luke from cloaking himself and soloing any Roman army that tries to attack the Jedi?
[/quote] the fact that luke, while powerful, is not infinitely powerful to the point of soloing millions. Everyone has a limited ammount of endurance.

One Free Man Restricted

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Isn't this a perfect example of one of the very unlikely things that you are discrediting happening?
No. This is incredibly likely. Jango was better, therefor he won.

One Free Man Restricted

Your argument rests on a few wrong surmises.

1. The roman soldiers are not as good as they are. Roman legionairs are educated tacticians with years of training and experience who have been promoted because of some defining feat.

2. The jedi have an unnatural ability to last forever against nearly eternal attacks.

3. All the jedi are NJO lukes.

4. There are 200 NJO lukes.

5. The romans aren't going to attack with full force.

6. Your jedi know everything about earth and its culture.

And last, but not least:
7. THEY SOME HOW MAKE IT THROUGH THE DESERT.

Vorpal Ruin Jedi Master
Originally posted by One Free Man
No. This is incredibly likely. Jango was better, therefor he won.

Thats a very specific scenario. How likely is it for a single non-force sensative person to take on and defeat six jedi unarmed? Not very.

You also dont believe that a YV warrior, on average, is a much better fighter than a Roman warrior in almost every aspect? Interesting.

Also how would they effectively have the entire army fighting 100-200 people at once without getting in eachothers way, or even being able to see the jedi at all through the sea of thier own allies? Someone said there were millions of romans, it doesn't at all seem possible for them to all fight at once.

One Free Man Restricted

Here's how many 1.4 million troops are. If you took 1.4 million average white men and stacked them head to foot, they'd go halfway across america. 1500 miles.

this is pi to a million places. scroll down using the mouse weel.... taking forever? that's because a million is ALOT!!!!

One Free Man Restricted

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
[B]Thats a very specific scenario. How likely is it for a single non-force sensative person to take on and defeat six jedi unarmed? Not very.
Pissed off jango? pretty likely.

You also dont believe that a YV warrior, on average, is a much better fighter than a Roman warrior in almost every aspect? Interesting.
To be honest, i've never had any interest and therefor never researched the yuzan vong. my remark was made in error.

Vorpal Ruin Jedi Master
Originally posted by One Free Man
Here's how many 1.4 million troops are. If you took 1.4 million average white men and stacked them head to foot, they'd go halfway across america. 1500 miles.
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Well doesn't that prove your own argument wrong then? The romans can't fight with all of thier army at the same time, there are too many of them.

Vorpal Ruin Jedi Master
Originally posted by One Free Man
Pissed off jango? pretty likely.
To be honest, i've never had any interest and therefor never researched the yuzan vong. my remark was made in error.

Stormtroopers were Jango clones, and they usually wouldnt fare very well agaisnt 6 Jedi while alone and unarmed.

The rest of that post is a dissapointing surprise lol.

Hewhoknowsall Restricted

A few problems with your argument:

The burden of proof is on the person that made the claim, aka you.

The Jedi won't be facing all the Romans at once, as I have pointed out before.

You misunderstood what a Battle Meld is. Wookiee it.

You have not shown how the Romans could deal with the Force. Your javelin idea has many flaws that you can probably figure out.

The idea that a legionary is on par with a Yv warrior is absurd.

The Romans will attack the Jedi in waves, sending a few thousand or tens if thousands each time. To send the entire army at once as you claim would be a very bad mistake. These Romans would get mass Force pushed.

Oh, and what Protection does Nero have that would stop, say, Luke?

Oh, and your demonstration of how big 1.4 million troops would be works
against you; how do the Romans deal with the logistics with that and what troops would be left to guard Nero or police the Empire? How could a general command that many troops using ancient communication? If all the Romans attacked then the Jedi could lure the Romans away while Luke assassinates or captures Nero. Or the Jedi destroy the Roman supply lines and the entire Roman army starves o death.

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As for the numbers question, 62 Jedi stormed the Anakin Solo so their numbers are obviously greater than 50 like you implyed.

With your argument about the Romans all bunching together at once disproved, the Romans will attack in waves in the thousands, which Luke alone could solo; he killed thousands of YV warriors in TUF, do
you seriously think that a legionary is more of a threat than a YV warrior?

Vorpal Ruin Jedi Master
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
do you seriously think that a legionary is more of a threat than a YV warrior?

He already took back that statement. You guys don't even read half the posts your opponent makes do you? 😉

Pwned That guy

What about Lukes electric judgement or whatever? The Romans wore metal armor if they atatcked at once that lightning would arc and get lots of them......

Hewhoknowsall Restricted

Sorry for the triple post.

If the Romans try and attack all at once, they starve to death or get lured away leaving Nero and Rome itself open. Besides a general couldn't coordinate a force that large using ancient communication.

If the Romans attack in waves Luke could solo them.

Either way the Jedi win.

Or I could point out that "other SW technology" could include Stealth Xs since The NJO uses them a lot, but that would be a little cheap.

And from what I learned there were trade routes through the Sahara and oasises as well. And I don't know why you assume that the Jedi wouldn't have food and water with them.

Hewhoknowsall Restricted
Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
He already took back that statement. You guys don't even read half the posts your opponent makes do you? 😉

Read his profile in the quotes section.

Vorpal Ruin Jedi Master
Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Read his profile in the quotes section.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Unless its that he doesn't like you, that obvious. It seems that no matter what, he will argue against anything you say, no matter right or wrong. Path to the Dark Side lol.

One Free Man Restricted

Re: The New Jedi Order vs The Roman Empire

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
The Roman Emperor, who let's say is Nero, is somehow immediately alerted of the NJO and wants to eliminate them.
One Free Man Restricted

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
A few problems with your argument:

The burden of proof is on the person that made the claim, aka you.

I don't see why I should follow this. you ignore it constantly.
The Jedi won't be facing all the Romans at once, as I have pointed out before.
you failed to recognize a reason.

You misunderstood what a Battle Meld is. Wookiee it.
I read battle meditation, pardon the mistake. No matter what though, he doesn't have an infinite amount of endurance capable of dealing with 1,400,000 troops.

You have not shown how the Romans could deal with the Force. Your javelin idea has many flaws that you can probably figure out.
Yes I have. The romans have a practically infinite number of troops to send after them. The Jedi will tire out and slip up, becoming targets before they conquer the eternal horde of conditioned warriors.

And 12 jedi are going to block 1.4 million javelins?


The idea that a legionary is on par with a Yv warrior is absurd.

As I said, this comment was made without any working knowledge of the YV, partly because of how shitty the writing was that brought them into existence, and part of because I think they're bullshit.

The Romans will attack the Jedi in waves, sending a few thousand or tens if thousands each time. To send the entire army at once as you claim would be a very bad mistake. These Romans would get mass Force pushed.
stop saying this. Why would this be a mistake? whenever they attacked before they sent all available forces. They aren't guerilla warfare people, they're a shield wall, you idiot. They send the entire force. The more, the merrier.

Oh, and what Protection does Nero have that would stop, say, Luke?
who gives a shit? Luke would have to travel for a thousand miles before making it to rome. Nero isn't the leader of the troops here, it'd most likely be a general. and with so many "legions" which are practically generals minus all the glory, you've got many tactical leadership options available.

Oh, and your demonstration of how big 1.4 million troops would be works
against you; how do the Romans deal with the logistics with that and what troops would be left to guard Nero or police the Empire?
wow, um, maybe the 1-3 hundred thousand that normally do that sort of thing? maybe the uh, invasion force+the 1,000,000 extra [b]BATTLE HARDENED, EXPERIENCED, TRAINED OFFICERS could go and attack, while the regular police force takes care of the empire.

How could a general command that many troops using ancient communication? If all the Romans attacked then the Jedi could lure the Romans away while Luke assassinates or captures Nero.

Hypothetic bullshit.

here's the math you can't deal with here. If you are placed with a gun against an unlimited ammount of zombies. No matter how much ammo or how far you run, you are going to tire out and be overcome. Even if this was 1,400,000 ewoks the dozen jedi would still stand no chance.

Or the Jedi destroy the Roman supply lines and the entire Roman army starves o death. [/B]
Hypothetical bullshit.

With no tactical strenth or skill at all, 1.4 million ANYTHINGS can overcome 12 jedi. Much less, (as I said before) battle hardened experienced officers.

Yes, i'm back to the 12 known NJO members, since your number of 200 remains unsubstantiated.

Lord Lucien Lets all love Lain

Originally posted by One Free Man
Hypothetic bullshit.
You know that's all this forum is.

And what are you two still b*tching about?

One Free Man Restricted

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Sorry for the triple post.

If the Romans try and attack all at once, they starve to death or get lured away leaving Nero and Rome itself open. Besides a general couldn't coordinate a force that large using ancient communication.

it's like putting a million leaders who know every move their soldiers and their fellow soldiers are going to make. With that many god damn officers, you're not being governed by one officer. They are going to starve to death if they don't attack all at once. You failed to give the one million extra legions any food.

This is a moot point, however, since the jedi died in the desert two weeks ago. Pretty much established.


If the Romans attack in waves Luke could solo them.
not gonna happen. Like I said, they're a shield wall.

Either way the Jedi win.
not going to happen. The jedi have a finite time in battle before they wear out.
Or I could point out that "other SW technology" could include Stealth Xs since The NJO uses them a lot, but that would be a little cheap.
fine, stealth X's. how long until they run out of fuel. Do they have a striking capacity capable of destroying 1.4 million threats?


And from what I learned there were trade routes through the Sahara and oasises as well. And I don't know why you assume that the Jedi wouldn't have food and water with them.
God damn how many times do i have to post the OP?
The NJO as of FOTJ is dropped off in the far reaches Egypt.
there you go. they are dropped off in the far reaches of egypt. there is no food. Even if there is, it won't last them long as it doesn't say they get camels or some way of toting it.

No matter how many ****ING times i say that there are no trade routes going through the sahara. It's because, if you looked at the map i provided, they'res NOTHING to ****ING trade on the other side!!!

One Free Man Restricted

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You know that's all this forum is.
nah his is like all uncanon and not even based on canon.