Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Avenger’s issue right? I just checked and damn, I’ll give you that one. Norrin’s silver coating protected him from the tendrils better than the others. I could argue against it as in the issue Norrin revealed he was being possum, Thor had turned into Blake and explained that after it had been destroyed, he had transformed back into his human form as if he was aware of the change. If Blake was conscious when we saw them next, I would argue against it. Unfortunately the Blake/Thor transformation was too inconsistent. It was never really explained like the Jake Olsen relationship. There was a similar incident in a Thor issue but it’d take to much reasoning. Thor has other instances where he outperforms Norrin durability wise.
What are these instances of Thor's durability outprefoming Norrins that you speak of?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That was an amazing showing of power for the surfboard as it was able to hold Durok at bay and a nice showing of healing (For some reason, under Lee, the board was extremely strong.) In combat however…well, just read on.Withstand a beating?
One hit and down.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsDurok14.jpgA few pages later, one hit and his down again.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/SurferDurok1.jpgA few pages later, one blast and down he goes.
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http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/SurferDurok3.jpgHere Thor takes on Durok and even goes toe to toe with him.
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http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsDurok13.jpgIt took two hits and an energy blast to reduce Norrin to the point he only has a "vestige" of strength left. Surfer isn't looking too good in comparison to Thor here. The Durok incident isn't really helping your stance.
Durok can’t handle time travel all that well apparently. I don’t see how that helps your stance outside of maybe Norrin has a nice battle field removal option.
Getting knocked down doesn't really mean to much, so I don't really know what your point is there. I mean unless he was rendered unconscious, he withstood the beating. As for his board, it's power comes from Surfer...
And you seem to be glossing over Surfer's healing feats, which are the very thing that make Surfer's preformance so impressive. See when Surfer heals somebody he uses his own energy reserves to do so, and during the period of his depowerment it actually a while for him to fully afterwards even if he was just replentishing a human. And since he healed both Balder and Thor(two gods who likely have far more lifeforce to replace than a normal human) from the brink of death right before taking on Durok, it means his preformance was pretty damn impressive overall. I mean think about it, Surfer was already at a fraction of his full power from being trapped on Earth, invested enough energy into Balder to bring him back from the brink of death, invested enough energy into Thor to heal him from the brink of death, and THEN took on Durok.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
On top of it all, Thor had gone toe to toe with Loki who had the Odin Ring.
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http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsLoki33.jpgLoki’s entire master plan was to wear Thor out with the constant unending battles. And right before his battle with Loki, Thor had gone through an entire ordeal with Hela.
Which is impressive, but I have to ask why ODG said this...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're not suggesting the Odin Ring was an advantage for Loki... ? barker
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And let’s not forget this little incident where Thor overpowers and kills Durok. It’s when the chips are down that Thor demonstrates how much he restrains himself.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you referring to the West Coast Avenger Annual?The Silver Surfer saw the Grandmaster's bolt of energy traveling to Earth when he was racing towards the planet. He tried to make it to Earth in time to warn the Avengers and do what he can to protect them (He apparently thought he didn't make it in time as he exclaimed he was too late when he saw the Avengers dead. It was a photo finish). The bolt however was designed to only take the East Coast Avengers as explained by the Collector as I recall and not the West. Surfer didn't actually do anything based on that.
That feat=inconclusive at best based on what I remember. To be fair, I think Iron Man believed that he could use the Power Cosmic to shield them from further attacks. It's been years though.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The incidents were Thor outperforms Surfer conclusively happened before and after that era. When did I ever use anything from the Defenders/Avengers crossover as evidence? The only thing that I would use as evidence against Norrin off the top of my head from that arc was his fight with Vision. Is there some more evidence to suggest that Thor is above Surfer in that arc that I’m forgetting? mhmm
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor usually really out performs Simon and the rest of the Avenger’s when they’re facing a big threat. Random new villain wrecks entire Avengers. Cue Thor going toe to toe with villain. Frankly, that’s how Thor usually outperforms his so called “peers”. We have rare cases like Blood and Thunder but meh, Thor almost never actually cut’s loose.His never outright destroyed Simon like Norrin has. To be honest, off the top of my head, I can recall only one actual fight they had, and that was during Steve's big Wonderman push. And to be fair to Simon, when Norrin defeated him, Simon was going through his power fluctuation phase.
And I'm well aware of Simon's power fluxuations during the period, but the thing is that they were tied to his emotional state and when he was angry or upset he was actually more powerful than he was before the fluxuations ever started. And in the issue in question, Simon was trying to kill Norrin...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It’s usually a tough time as he engages the Hulk physically. When Thor once decided to rely on his raw power and versatility, he trounced the Hulk. On the other hand, if Norrin decides to engage the Hulk physically, I doubt it would turn out well.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😬 Are you referring to the “Tales to Astonish” fight they had? The closest the Hulk came to admitting the Surfer was stronger in that issue was when a calm Hulk leaps at an unknow figure and while in mid air says a force –the Power Cosmic as the Hulk had only gotten within hailing distance- stronger than him pushed him back. The Hulk still manages to reach out and grab his leg.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The fight continues, and an enraged Hulk is able to overpower Silver Surfer’s cosmic power and put Surfer on his ass in one hit. That isn’t the only time when an angry Hulk powered his way through Norrin’s energy. He did so twice in the Silver Surfer #125. The board knock out incident happened after all of this when the Hulk grabs Norrin, who commands the board to zoom in and strike the Hulk’s chin. He didn’t regain his strength for a few minutes.
Also, do you seriously think that Hulk taking blasts from Surfer while Surfer's trying to reason with him is a bad showing? Hasnt Thor's hammer bounced off Hulk a few times now?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Looking at their fights, Norrin’s record against the Hulk get’s a bit exaggerated.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk was also depowered. As a matter of fact, he’d come through the portal sooner than Norrin. Dealt with it better apparently to.
And Surfer being hurt at all by the blackhole itself is unresearched writing at it's finest(or just bad writing) because of the number of times Surfer's been shown to be unphased by blackholes. Kinda like the Thor/bullet thing.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What do you mean anothers influence? Are you referring to him being forced to fight? That was the case with all the Gladiators. Surfer did seem pretty formidable. He even knocked the Hulk on his ass twice. Of course the Hulk thought Norrin was his friend, and in the end, the Hulk knocked Surfer the hell out.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
All showings are valid unless there are specific or mitigating circumstances involved. We should just average them out for all parties so why not. Odin in that arc was busting Galaxies, and was operating on a Universal scale. It’s not a low showing for Odin but an extremely high showing for Thor. Usually he'd just casually one shot a Top Tier like he did Norrin. He once stunned Thor for minutes or so with a blast that sent him flying from Asgard all the way to Earth.
And I know that lots of people dislike arguing PIS because of it's subjective nature, but its inclusion in the rules dictates it's necessity.
Originally posted by lightyeargeeHeh, I'ze about to respond to this.... Then I saw this dude was banned, so never mind. 🙂
You know I don't give two shits what galan said right there right? If you put tand a against ares with the god wave, they would get wreckd.They couldn't nearly be on par since surfer did not use his own power. He was just a conduit. And he shielded no one from t and a. And t and a have not nearly the comparible power to te godwave. So no. They are not comparible at all. When surfer can push against a well fed galactus while shielding everyone from his energies,then he'd have a comparible feat. Oh and the batman poster says it is razy to even suggest takion is surfer level.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
yeah that's right, edit biscuits
Well I can't log in everyday and I don't have enough time to respond all of them
Your scan will be great if nnot for the other showings in WHICH SURFER HAS LOST HIS POWERS
Dynamo city?
Doctor Doom?
Ring any bells?
Doctor Doom was able to depowered Surfer with a electronically device!
OH WAIT! You will probably claim bad writting which is something every SS follower does, because according to them SS is at skyfather level 😆
He is not and if Doom was able to depower SS with an ELECTRONICAL DEVICE, I don't see why Molecular Ionization created by Superman will not work
Originally posted by biensalsa
Well I can't log in everyday and I don't have enough time to respond all of themYour scan will be great if nnot for the other showings in WHICH SURFER HAS LOST HIS POWERS
Dynamo city?
Doctor Doom?Ring any bells?
Doctor Doom was able to depowered Surfer with a electronically device!
OH WAIT! You will probably claim bad writting which is something every SS follower does, because according to them SS is at skyfather level 😆
He is not and if Doom was able to depower SS with an ELECTRONICAL DEVICE, I don't see why Molecular Ionization created by Superman will not work
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Again, if you thought incalculable heat was responsible for the ionization effect, then there's a problem when Superman uses intense heat vision shots on opponents. Because the air's simple proximity to those opponents would make those air molecules ionize, amirite? And yet, this astonishing ionization effect hasn't occurred, amirite?It's comic book science. You don't have to explain away every single gaping hole in it. After all, it's a one-off feat. But those facts render your application of real science principles d.o.a. So stop using real science principles to suggest that Surfer's non-immunity to lightning would substantiate this tactic's effectiveness against Surfer and his Power Cosmic. That's all.
Exactly, because IS COMIC BOOK SCIENCE ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
"So stop using real science principles to suggest that Surfer's non-immunity to lightning would substantiate this tactic's effectiveness against Surfer and his Power Cosmic"
I am not the one who brought up the subject of lightning. It was someone else claiming that becasue SS was "invulnerable" to lighting it was not possible.
"And yet, this astonishing ionization effect hasn't occurred, amirite?"
Are you aware that He was cut from the cosmic power with a ELECTRONICAL process? From Doom?
Not only that but before you claim "well it was Doom!" Let me tell you that Doom was also depowered from it thanks to the ARMY
Fantastic Four #60
Originally posted by biensalsa
Exactly, because IS COMIC BOOK SCIENCE ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE."So stop using real science principles to suggest that Surfer's non-immunity to lightning would substantiate this tactic's effectiveness against Surfer and his Power Cosmic"
I am not the one who brought up the subject of lightning. It was someone else claiming that becasue SS was "invulnerable" to lighting it was not possible.
"And yet, this astonishing ionization effect hasn't occurred, amirite?"
Are you aware that He was cut from the cosmic power with a ELECTRONICAL process? From Doom?
Not only that but before you claim "well it was Doom!" Let me tell you that Doom was also depowered from it thanks to the ARMY
Fantastic Four #60
Lemme get this straight..... so, based on this silly logic. You think Superman will be able to negate the Surfer's powers via a vague use of a power due to the principle that anything is possible via comic book science.......
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I think h1a8 has competition now... O_o
Originally posted by biensalsayou didn't address a damn thing from the quote, you just tried to find an out.
Well I can't log in everyday and I don't have enough time to respond all of themYour scan will be great if nnot for the other showings in WHICH SURFER HAS LOST HIS POWERS
Dynamo city?
Doctor Doom?Ring any bells?
Doctor Doom was able to depowered Surfer with a electronically device!
OH WAIT! You will probably claim bad writting which is something every SS follower does, because according to them SS is at skyfather level 😆
He is not and if Doom was able to depower SS with an ELECTRONICAL DEVICE, I don't see why Molecular Ionization created by Superman will not work
