Originally posted by biensalsaAnd it was you who insisted that if someone proved Surfer was immune to lightning, then you would concede that ionizing air molecules would not cut him off from the Power Cosmic.
Exactly, because IS COMIC BOOK SCIENCE ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE."So stop using real science principles to suggest that Surfer's non-immunity to lightning would substantiate this tactic's effectiveness against Surfer and his Power Cosmic"
I am not the one who brought up the subject of lightning. It was someone else claiming that becasue SS was "invulnerable" to lighting it was not possible.
Originally posted by biensalsaDr. Doom has drained Aron the Watcher, Galactus (twice), the Beyonder, Surfer (twice), Franklin Richards, Nightmare, and Hyperstorm.
"And yet, this astonishing ionization effect hasn't occurred, amirite?"Are you aware that He was cut from the cosmic power with a ELECTRONICAL process? From Doom?
Are you aware that characterizing his Power Cosmic Siphon Harness and his Personal Adaptors as mere "electronic" devices doesn't mean that ionizing air molecules around an opponent doesn't mean they'll be cut off from their powers? You think Superman ionizing the air around Galactus, Hyperstorm or Beyonder will cut them off from their powers?
Originally posted by biensalsaWhat are you even talking about?
Not only that but before you claim "well it was Doom!" Let me tell you that Doom was also depowered from it thanks to the ARMYFantastic Four #60
Y'know what, whatever. Let's use your craptastic logic: Mirrors reflect sunlight. Surfer turns Superman's cape into a mirror. Superman is now depowered. Surfer wins.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
FYI, if my memory serves me right, the weapon the army used was designed by Reed Richards. So, yes. Army with RR prep >>>>>>> Superman.
Yes a prototype SO SOFISTICATED AND ADVANCED that the ARMY was able to replicate.
EARTH SCIENCE is enough to cut him from his powers.
Even if you don't want to admit that the Ionization process is not possible You have to admit that EARTH TECHNOLOGY is enough to cut the Surfer from his power source.
"And it was you who insisted that if someone proved Surfer was immune to lightning, then you would concede that ionizing air molecules would not cut him off from the Power Cosmic."
If I insisted it was because someone said that SS is immune to electricity, which He is not. Nobody proved anything. I have seen SS getting hurt by lighting. And yes I am aware he can survive a Black Hole.
"Dr. Doom has drained Aron the Watcher, Galactus (twice), the Beyonder, Surfer (twice), Franklin Richards, Nightmare, and Hyperstorm.
Are you aware that characterizing his Power Cosmic Siphon Harness and his Personal Adaptors as mere "electronic" devices doesn't mean that ionizing air molecules around an opponent doesn't mean they'll be cut off from their powers? You think Superman ionizing the air around Galactus, Hyperstorm or Beyonder will cut them off from their powers?"
Galactus, Hyperstorm or Beyonder ARE NOT THE SILVER SURFER. This is way different. ARE YOU AWARE THAT SS get his power from recolecting ambient energy? If you sever that comunication process he is with out powers. Doom has done it, Dynamo city has done it.
If the example of Superman an his Ionization work in a manner that cut a comunication process why it should not work on the surfer? Just because you think He is at sky father level?
"What are you even talking about?
Y'know what, whatever. Let's use your craptastic logic: Mirrors reflect sunlight. Surfer turns Superman's cape into a mirror. Superman is now depowered. Surfer wins."
When Doom stole the power from the Silver Surfer, Reed Richards created a machine "SO ADVANCED AND COMPLEX" that the Army was able to replicate it and the Army was able to depower Doom.
EARTH SCIENCE was able to depower Doom with the cosmic power!!!
Marvel earth science!!!
Originally posted by psycho gundam
you didn't address a damn thing from the quote, you just tried to find an out.
Your scan was only good to show that Surfer has powers with out his board which anyone who has seen the Surfer other than in the movies SHOULD KNOW THAT.
And the power he had, well He is a freaking battery right? He gatters ambient energy WITH OUT HIS BOARD , What was your point?
Originally posted by King Kandy
Um, just because Dr. Doom used a device that was powered by electricity (like every mechanical device out there, more or less) in no way supports the notion that the electricity itself had anything to do with it.
Aren't you the one who said SS is immune to electricity?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And it was you who insisted that if someone proved Surfer was immune to lightning, then you would concede that ionizing air molecules would not cut him off from the Power Cosmic. Dr. Doom has drained Aron the Watcher, Galactus (twice), the Beyonder, Surfer (twice), Franklin Richards, Nightmare, and Hyperstorm.Are you aware that characterizing his Power Cosmic Siphon Harness and his Personal Adaptors as mere "electronic" devices doesn't mean that ionizing air molecules around an opponent doesn't mean they'll be cut off from their powers? You think Superman ionizing the air around Galactus, Hyperstorm or Beyonder will cut them off from their powers? What are you even talking about?
Y'know what, whatever. Let's use your craptastic logic: Mirrors reflect sunlight. Surfer turns Superman's cape into a mirror. Superman is now depowered. Surfer wins.
And actually, YOU are the one who brought science to the table, You said If I was aware that Plasma on stars is Ionization so therefore it will not work.
Stop flip floping
^ Your circular arguments are imbecilic. Somebody brought up electricity immunity to rebut the heat vision ionization? Great. Real science shouldn't even be brought in? Great. Why would you announce that you would concede it wouldn't work if somebody proved he was immune to electricity?
Originally posted by King Kandy
lol, when has ions ever been shown to interfere with SSs powers at all, he is clearly immune to electricity but you think some electrical imbalance is going to do anything?
Originally posted by biensalsaYou announced that because you accepted that real science would correlate to the effectiveness of heat vision ionization and were willing to place your bet on that.
If you show me I concedeHe is immune to electricity? does Thor lighting counts as electricity?
Does Planet Hulk disk counts as electricity?
What about Storm in Silver Surfer 85? He seemed affected by it
This is completely evident when you decided to run with the argument for 2+ pages instead of just saying outright, "Real science electricity has nothing to do with comic book ionization." Whether I argue with your idiotic argument you originated or your idiotic rebuttal to said argument, I'm still arguing with your idiocy. So don't act like the shoe's on the other foot.
Originally posted by biensalsaFirst, Surfer replenishes his energy stores from collecting ambient energy. So if you sever that absorption, theoretically he couldn't replenish himself. But he isn't stripped of the power stores within his body. That'd be like arguing placing Superman in a dark room would immediately strip him of superstrength. And your gross misunderstanding of Surfer doesn't justify you straw-manning me as if I'm placing Surfer in Beyonder's class.
Galactus, Hyperstorm or Beyonder ARE NOT THE SILVER SURFER. This is way different. ARE YOU AWARE THAT SS get his power from recolecting ambient energy? If you sever that comunication process he is with out powers. Doom has done it, Dynamo city has done it.
If the example of Superman an his Ionization work in a manner that cut a comunication process why it should not work on the surfer? Just because you think He is at sky father level?
Originally posted by biensalsaReed Richards siphoning a portion of the Power Cosmic from Doom is like Doom siphoning the power from Surfer. In either case, it's the two smartest Marvel characters siphoning the Power Cosmic with their inventions. That is... if you ignore that Reed couldn't siphon it all and Doom regained his full strength in a single panel.
When Doom stole the power from the Silver Surfer, Reed Richards created a machine "SO ADVANCED AND COMPLEX" that the Army was able to replicate it and the Army was able to depower Doom.EARTH SCIENCE was able to depower Doom with the cosmic power!!!
Marvel earth science!!!
And Marvel Earth science from the two smartest Marvel characters is still comic book science, you nimrod.
Originally posted by biensalsa
Yes a prototype SO SOFISTICATED AND ADVANCED that the ARMY was able to replicate.EARTH SCIENCE is enough to cut him from his powers.
Even if you don't want to admit that the Ionization process is not possible You have to admit that EARTH TECHNOLOGY is enough to cut the Surfer from his power source.
Richards designed it. One one designs, another can replicate. Is this concept too difficult to understand.
:-/ From Doom and Reed? Their Science pwns the whole Galaxy. They could prolly steal Spectre's powers with the same amount of prep time.
And your ionization argument is so moronic, it's not even worth discussing. Pls think for 10 seconds and consider the absolute fail of your logic before typing more garbage like that.
Fail argument.
Originally posted by biensalsaSupergeniality is a superpower as far as comics, specially marvel, are concerned. The fact that RR and doom can create tech to steal the power cosmic doesn't mean it's easy or plausible for common earth scientists to acomplish it and it certainly doesn't mean that sm can do it with hv. The beings they have drained or defeated with their tech are so far above SS and SM it's not even funny.
EARTH SCIENCE was able to depower Doom with the cosmic power!!!
Marvel earth science!!!
Their devices may have been powered by electricity, but it wasnt electricity that stole the power cosmic. This is absurd.
Furthermore, what makes you think the SS can't just absorb the energy in the ionizing field arround? Even if he couldn't, how would it keep him from using his powers to connect to other energies beyond the field and control or absorb them? And even if the field prevented him from absorbing or controlling more ambient energy, how would it deplete his reserves or keep him from using his powers? Why wouldn't he teleport or simply move outside of it?