"How? What about ionization makes you think it could depower him? Why wouldnt he be able to draw more ambient energy and weild it? How would it drain his reserves? How would it keep him from using his powerset or the power cosmic (which is within him)? Why wouldnt he be able to evade the ionizing area?"
I'm saying Superman's HV IONIZES molecules arround SS body, this COULD disrupt his power intake, how is that hard to understand?
IS COMIC SCIENCE!
"You're wrong, the board has been destroyed many times by the exact same attacks that failed to scratch the Surfer, like cable, ravenous and the firelord did."
This I will have to see it. According to Galactus (that you hold in high regard) The board is indestructible, He never said such a thing about Surfer's skin. In fact in the issue in which SS is inside a computer the laser's that cut SS body it seems did nothing to the board. You will have to show me a scan in which it says it is the SAME attack at the SAME power level, for me to belive it
"Mjolnir (in thor's hands) and the SS are roughly the same in power levels. SS has a small edge in versatility and mjolnir has an edge in energy absorption and redirection."
SS said his mallet is > than my cosmic power in SS #4
Just the mellet ALONE is > his cosmic power!
"Thor, yes. Henshaw? Nobody said the SS would win, people were just making fun of the spite thread. Do you seriously not get sarcasm?"
I'm getting used to the way this forums work, so pardon my lack of sarcasm
"Really? I just read nick fury and CA beating vector and x-ray. So what? Low showings and inconsistency plague all characters and the SS wasnt KOed in most of those, just knocked down on his ass."
I am pretty aware of that, but a brick is REALLY LOW 😄
"Nobody thinks that. The fact that the consensus is that SS is above SM doesn't entail that at all."
In a place plaged by Marvel only readers. It seems this will be the only "consensus"
I'm aware that SS can defeat Superman but not 10/10 like many in here think, actually the general "concensus" is that Superman and Thor are = in here, If Thor is = to Superman what makes you think SS > Superman? Just because He can exploit his achilles heel? well the Kryptonite man is more powerful than Superman.
SS IS NOT > THAN SUPERMAN, He exploit weaknesses. Versatility also has nothing to do is QUALITY over QUANTITY
"Now you're just repeating the same nonsense and you evidence for it is what? that no one thinks SM can depower surfer with heat vision? That thinking SM cant depower him makes the SS a skyfather level in our eyes? SM is just a herald level and his energy output with HV is far below what the SS has endured throughout his life and what he can dish out."
Really? has SS experienced HV that can cauterize a cosmic rip?
"You argument ammounts to: HV is hotter than stars so it can depower the SS by ionizing atoms arround him. Through what mechanism? How do ions spell out depowering for the SS? What does it matter that he is not immune to electricity? I mean what the **** is this? SS could just neutralize the electric charges of the ions, not that they'd depower him in the first place."
There has to be some sort of comunication between The cosmic ambient energy and SS body, If that comunication is severed the process can be achieved, and it has happened in the past. People has severed that comunication process between the cosmic power and SS body. HAVE YOU NOT SEEN IT? Tell me it has never happened?
Is a COULD! COULD IT HAPPEN. Is not impossible, that is for sure
Originally posted by biensalsaIs that the time when Sue used the control gun on Surfer... I don't see how that a low showing... It was designed to control the Surfer.
Laser SS #15
1#) Surfer was hit when he didn't know..The gun itself was invisible Surfer even notes that if he wasn't tricked that wouldn't have worked.
2# It was a weapon from the elder of the Universe... We don't even know how powerful it was... How can you use this as a bad showing for Surfer??
Originally posted by biensalsaIf we are going to use Surfer top end durability feats nothing can hurt the Surfer... But he did well against those nukes all things considered.
[B]tHE NUKES is a low showing considering that HE can sit inside the sun casually, There is more nuke explosions in the sun. at least IMO
Originally posted by kgkg
Is that the time when Sue used the control gun on Surfer... I don't see how that a low showing... It was designed to control the Surfer.1#) Surfer was hit when he didn't know..The gun itself was invisible Surfer even notes that if he wasn't tricked that wouldn't have worked.
2# It was a weapon from the elder of the Universe... We don't even know how powerful it was... How can you use this as a bad showing for Surfer??
If we are going to use Surfer top end durability feats nothing can hurt the Surfer... But he did well against those nukes all things considered.
Same rule as his wanking feats 😄
Sue block a ray from it.
I was trying to use feats in which He shows limits, that is all
Originally posted by biensalsaWhy would it work? When was SS ever kept from accessing ambient energy like that? What are you basing the idea that it could on?
[B]I'm saying Superman's HV IONIZES molecules arround SS body, this COULD disrupt his power intake, how is that hard to understand?
IS COMIC SCIENCE!
This I will have to see it. According to Galactus (that you hold in high regard) The board is indestructible, He never said such a thing about Surfer's skin. In fact in the issue in which SS is inside a computer the laser's that cut SS body it seems did nothing to the board. You will have to show me a scan in which it says it is the SAME attack at the SAME power level, for me to belive it
Well, he was fighting and ultimatelly defeated firelord, cable and ravenous in all those situations, unless you believe they were saving up their best attacks for the board instead of his head, it's silly to think he can't tank the same power output. None of them would explode his skull with those attacks.
"Mjolnir (in thor's hands) and the SS are roughly the same in power levels. SS has a small edge in versatility and mjolnir has an edge in energy absorption and redirection."SS said his mallet is > than my cosmic power in SS #4
Just the mellet ALONE is > his cosmic power!
Like I said, Mjonlir in thor's hands - the way he uses it - is roughly equivalent to the SS's piece of the power cosmic. The hammer itself is one of the most powerfull artifacts in marvel.
"Nobody thinks that. The fact that the consensus is that SS is above SM doesn't entail that at all."In a place plaged by Marvel only readers. It seems this will be the only "consensus"
I'm aware that SS can defeat Superman but not 10/10 like many in here think, actually the general "concensus" is that Superman and Thor are = in here, If Thor is = to Superman what makes you think SS > Superman? Just because He can exploit his achilles heel? well the Kryptonite man is more powerful than Superman.
SS IS NOT > THAN SUPERMAN, He exploit weaknesses. Versatility also has nothing to do is QUALITY over QUANTITY
Quit your whining, this site isn't Marvel biased. Few if any believe he'd take 10/10 with CIS on by default. Thor is also more powerfull overall than SM, but SM can compensate that in battle because of how efficient his powerset is for combat, mainly due to his combination of superspeed and strengh. However the SS has superspeed of his own to not get blitzed and that counters SM's main advantage over thor. Few people would believe SM takes a majority from thor without his superspeed.
As for quantity vs quality. Well, SS not only has a lot more powers than SM, he also has or can emulate the effects of all the powers SM has, granted, not all of them on the same level. But it's only SM's baseline strengh and h2h super human agility (a thousand punches in a second) that you narrowlly define as 'combat superspeed' that exceed his own. Against an enemy that has so many options with such a raw power output and can avoid a blitz as SS can, I don't think it's enough. Most people here and on other forums I know don't either.
["Now you're just repeating the same nonsense and you evidence for it is what? that no one thinks SM can depower surfer with heat vision? That thinking SM cant depower him makes the SS a skyfather level in our eyes? SM is just a herald level and his energy output with HV is far below what the SS has endured throughout his life and what he can dish out."Really? has SS experienced HV that can cauterize a cosmic rip?
You are still to prove the ions HV creates can depower SS. He's taken firelord's hotter than stars flames, blasts from galactus, aegis, tenebras, thanos, etc. I've never seen any of them close a rip in time and space with heat - which is a pretty silly ida - but their power output should be above SM's HV.
There has to be some sort of comunication between The cosmic ambient energy and SS body, If that comunication is severed the process can be achieved, and it has happened in the past. People has severed that comunication process between the cosmic power and SS body. HAVE YOU NOT SEEN IT? Tell me it has never happened?
Is a COULD! COULD IT HAPPEN. Is not impossible, that is for sure
Yes if you can isolate the Surfer from ambient energy, he wouldnt be able to control or absrob it, but when has an ion field been used to acomplish that? I dont think it's ever happened. People have depowered him in the past by cutting him off from the comic power within himself, but again they've never done it with an ionizing field. There's no reason to assume it would affect him that way.
"Why would it work? When was SS ever kept from accessing ambient energy like that? What are you basing the idea that it could on?"
I hope you understand that We are talking about COMIC SCIENCE AND COMIC LOGIC. If Supperman can depowered someone with his HV in a comic book He can do the same in anyother comic book. SS process is not a natural process but an artificial powering process.
"Well, he was fighting and ultimatelly defeated firelord, cable and ravenous in all those situations, unless you believe they were saving up their best attacks for the board instead of his head, it's silly to think he can't tank the same power output. None of them would explode his skull with those attacks."
Bull, you and I know that metas do not always attack at full power. This has been shown over and over again during the history of comis
"Like I said, Mjonlir in thor's hands - the way he uses it - is roughly equivalent to the SS's piece of the power cosmic. The hammer itself is one of the most powerfull artifacts in marvel."
What part you don't understand of SS #4? SS says his MALLET is more powerful than MY cosmic power
"Quit your whining, this site isn't Marvel biased. Few if any believe he'd take 10/10 with CIS on by default. Thor is also more powerfull overall than SM, but SM can compensate that in battle because of how efficient his powerset is for combat, mainly due to his combination of superspeed and strengh. However the SS has superspeed of his own to not get blitzed and that counters SM's main advantage over thor. Few people would believe SM takes a majority from thor without his superspeed.
As for quantity vs quality. Well, SS not only has a lot more powers than SM, he also has or can emulate the effects of all the powers SM has, granted, not all of them on the same level. But it's only SM's baseline strengh and h2h super human agility (a thousand punches in a second) that you narrowlly define as 'combat superspeed' that exceed his own. Against an enemy that has so many options with such a raw power output and can avoid a blitz as SS can, I don't think it's enough. Most people here and on other forums I know don't either. "
Most readers here are MARVEL only readers. I can tell for all the things they post. If you for some reason believe SS or Thor are more powerful than Superman, fine It is your opinion, me on the other hand I know there is a power difference in both universe and in DC dials go up to 11
"You are still to prove the ions HV creates can depower SS. He's taken firelord's hotter than stars flames, blasts from galactus, aegis, tenebras, thanos, etc. I've never seen any of them close a rip in time and space with heat - which is a pretty silly ida - but their power output should be above SM's HV."
AGAIN in the limits of a comic book, this is possible, he has done it before , he can do it again. IT MAY work it may not. But is a possibility
"Yes if you can isolate the Surfer from ambient energy, he wouldnt be able to control or absrob it, but when has an ion field been used to acomplish that? I dont think it's ever happened. People have depowered him in the past by cutting him off from the comic power within himself, but again they've never done it with an ionizing field. There's no reason to assume it would affect him that way."
PLEASE DOCTOR DOOM in your inmense knowledge explain how you were able to acomplish this. HOW DO YOU KNOW Dr. Doom did not use that metohod to achive it? Hell HE used an "ELECTRONIC DEVICE" that it did not even take the energy to power a city to accomplish it.
You know and electronic device has ELECTRICITY running all over the place. AGAIN WE ARE TALKING INTO THE LIMITS OF A COMIC BOOK.
I don't care if SS can sit inside tha sun casually, this is a comic book and comic book science aplies to it. Cal it PIS if you want, but if it can be achieved with earth tech at earth power outputs, I don't see why it can't be done.
And I hope this also answaers to the other cheerleaders
Biensala:
Surfer has never been depowered that way period..
Here take a look at this scan - Wonderman - made of ion energy
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer3.jpg
Using your logic SS PC should have made no effect yet there it is..
Ionization 👇
Originally posted by Ambient
Biensala:Surfer has never been depowered that way period..
Here take a look at this scan - Wonderman - made of ion energy
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer3.jpg
Using your logic SS PC should have made no effect yet there it is..
Ionization 👇
/biensalsa
finito
Originally posted by biensalsaI hope you understand that We are talking about COMIC SCIENCE AND COMIC LOGIC. If Supperman can depowered someone with his HV in a comic book He can do the same in anyother comic book. SS process is not a natural process but an artificial powering process.
You know, I tried keeping it civil but you really make it difficult.
If SM can depower some other character with HV created ions (when was this?) he can depower the SS like that? Brilliant. I guess kryptonite could work on thor too right? If kryptonite can depower a character in one comic book it can do the same in another comic book - the nature of the character being depowered shouldn't be a factor. This is all comic book science and logic after all. I mean it MIGHT work, we can't know for sure. Genius.
By the way, we dont debate what would happen in actual comics, but what is more likely to happen in a neutral fictional universal.
Bull, you and I know that metas do not always attack at full power. This has been shown over and over again during the history of comis
Yeah, Im the one that's full of it. People destroyed the board a dozen times and yet failed to take down SS who wrecked all of them.
Do you know how to read? The hammer is, or at least was, more powerfull than SS, Thor wielding it isn't.
What part you don't understand of SS #4? SS says his MALLET is more powerful than MY cosmic power
Most readers here are MARVEL only readers. I can tell for all the things they post. If you for some reason believe SS or Thor are more powerful than Superman, fine It is your opinion, me on the other hand I know there is a power difference in both universe and in DC dials go up to 11
Haha who's biased now fanboy? You know the dials go upt to 11? Funny shit. You couldn't find a forum where the dominant opinion is that SS<SM and not the other way arround. There is no significant overall differenc in power between the universes and the DC readers in this forum who are both numerous and far more knowledgeble than you on both universes could school you on all the crap you've been blurting out here. Several already have.
AGAIN when has he done it to anybody whose powers and functioning resemble the Surfer's? And when have ions and heat ever done anything at all to the SS?
AGAIN in the limits of a comic book, this is possible, he has done it before , he can do it again. IT MAY work it may not. But is a possibility
PLEASE DOCTOR DOOM in your inmense knowledge explain how you were able to acomplish this. HOW DO YOU KNOW Dr. Doom did not use that metohod to achive it? Hell HE used an "ELECTRONIC DEVICE" that it did not even take the energy to power a city to accomplish it.
You know and electronic device has ELECTRICITY running all over the place. AGAIN WE ARE TALKING INTO THE LIMITS OF A COMIC BOOK.
Really it works on electricity? So what? Does that mean it creates an ion field arround SS? It's only powered by electricity like most devices. There is no mention of an ion field and it makes no sense whatsoever that that's what it does.
Your argument amounts to: 'We dont know what doom used to depower surfer, so maybe it's a heat beam that creates ions arround SS and that inexplicably depowers him because it works on electricity'.
I hope you shut up now and go back to comicvine or whatever hellhole spawned you on earth. You're irrational and transparently biased and yet you accuse everybody else of discriminating against your pet character because they think he won't beat SS.
I don't care if SS can sit inside tha sun casually, this is a comic book and comic book science aplies to it. Cal it PIS if you want, but if it can be achieved with earth tech at earth power outputs, I don't see why it can't be done.And I hope this also answaers to the other cheerleaders
Originally posted by Ambient
Biensala:Surfer has never been depowered that way period..
Here take a look at this scan - Wonderman - made of ion energy
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/surfer3.jpg
Using your logic SS PC should have made no effect yet there it is..
Ionization 👇
Where does it says IONIZATION does not work on him?
He says He can control the ions on wonderman's powers, where is the proof that if SM ionize SS molecules it will not work?
Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm saying that SUPERMAN could IONIZE the molecules in SS body and therefore disrupt the comunication, what is so hard to understand? Is a theory, because it has never been done, but SS has been cut out of his power source before.
Let me see if I can explain this better
SS connects to the power cosmic because he has that power, right?
ok, then it means SS has to be connected somehow to his power source like a wirelees device to a transmitter. If that comunication is severed then there is no more power.
In the past that comunication has been cut and redirected.
Superman did something similar by ionizing someone molecules He made the positives negatives and disrupted the comunication process.
What is so hard to understand?
Originally posted by biensalsa
Where does it says IONIZATION does not work on him?He says He can control the ions on wonderman's powers, where is the proof that if SM ionize SS molecules it will not work?
Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm saying that SUPERMAN could IONIZE the molecules in SS body and therefore disrupt the comunication, what is so hard to understand? Is a theory, because it has never been done, but SS has been cut out of his power source before.
Let me see if I can explain this better
SS connects to the power cosmic because he has that power, right?
ok, then it means SS has to be connected somehow to his power source like a wirelees device to a transmitter. If that comunication is severed then there is no more power.
In the past that comunication has been cut and redirected.
Superman did something similar by ionizing someone molecules He made the positives negatives and disrupted the comunication process.What is so hard to understand?
1. The Power Cosmic is within him, he is not connected to an outside source of power. What he draws from the ambient isn't the PC, it's energy or matter that he converts into energy to amp, live (he feeds on it) and redirect. He also has enormous reserves of energy stored within him. When he is depowered, he is either drained of the PC (showing it's inside of him) or somehow inhibitted from using it.
2. SS has has control over his own molecules, can manipulate them at will so as to maintain the charges and has survived hotter than star plasma infernos unharmed. It is of course a moot point, the PC isn't outside of him.
Originally posted by 753
1. The Power Cosmic is within him, he is not connected to an outside source of power. What he draws from the ambient isn't the PC, it's energy or matter that he converts into energy to amp, live (he feeds on it) and redirect. He also has enormous reserves of energy stored within him. When he is depowered, he is either drained of the PC (showing it's inside of him) or somehow inhibitted from using it.2. SS has has control over his own molecules, can manipulate them at will so as to maintain the charges and has survived hotter than star plasma infernos unharmed. It is of course a moot point, the PC isn't outside of him.
1.- The Power Cosmic is a fictional term from the comic book world of the Marvel Universe, being used to name a power primarily wielded by the god-like cosmic entity Galactus. The Power Cosmic allows Galactus to employ the available absorbed cosmic energies within him to produce nearly any effect he desires, The Silver Surfer, as well as most of the Heralds of Galactus, possess certain measures of the Power Cosmic.
He is like someone connected to the speed force
2.- Not IF he does not have powers
Originally posted by biensalsa
1.- The Power Cosmic is a fictional term from the comic book world of the Marvel Universe, being used to name a power primarily wielded by the god-like cosmic entity Galactus. The Power Cosmic allows Galactus to employ the available absorbed cosmic energies within him to produce nearly any effect he desires, The Silver Surfer, as well as most of the Heralds of Galactus, possess certain measures of the Power Cosmic.
He is like someone connected to the speed force2.- Not IF he does not have powers
Not how surfer work he is not connected liek the speed force it is in him.
Surfer has used up it a few times in the past and Rulk has drain it out of him.Recently to confirm nothing has changed." ya i know Rulk but it does follow what has ahppned in the past" It is not an outside powersource at least wiht the heralds of Big G
Originally posted by biensalsahttp://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-06-17/1245254928466.jpg
1.- The Power Cosmic is a fictional term from the comic book world of the Marvel Universe, being used to name a power primarily wielded by the god-like cosmic entity Galactus.
Originally posted by biensalsaHow does that prove G and his heralds have to tap into a Power Cosmic source outside themselves? They dont. It's in them.
1.- The Power Cosmic is a fictional term from the comic book world of the Marvel Universe, being used to name a power primarily wielded by the god-like cosmic entity Galactus. The Power Cosmic allows Galactus to employ the available absorbed cosmic energies within him to produce nearly any effect he desires, The Silver Surfer, as well as most of the Heralds of Galactus, possess certain measures of the Power Cosmic.
He is like someone connected to the speed force2.- Not IF he does not have powers
And Idoubt you'd be arguing HV can sever the flash's link to the speedforce
Biensalsa:
OY!
Your logic states wrap Surfer in an Ion field therefore cutting him of from any energy going in and out, right.. right..
Ref. in the scan:
You see an ionic field in the form of Wonder Man.. See a beam of energy coming out of Surfer. Now in accordance to your logic it should be impossible for that beam of energy to inter the ionize field however this was not the case as ref. in the scan the beam of energy not only interred but modulate the field..
Your method is not going to work as Surfer's power is immune to IONIZATION 😱 ..
