Kas'im vs Anakin and Windu

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
You could say something very similar for everyone of the 'greatest' athletes ever. Except everyone makes mistakes. I'm not sure why you two think imperfection=retardation. If thats the case, we are all retarded.

No, that's a level of retardation and improbability that doesn't exist with Yoda.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
How many of those "athletes" faced down an opponent utilizing a magical energy field fueled by the mind? To the death? With 900 years of experience behind this, the most monumental and important moment of their life? How many of them, with the advantage in hand to press home [b]the ultimate victory over evil, suddenly... "fumbled?" [/B]

How many people in star wars or reality have never made a mistake?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
How many of those "athletes" faced down an opponent utilizing a magical energy field fueled by the mind? To the death? With 900 years of experience behind this, the most monumental and important moment of their life? How many of them, with the advantage in hand to press home [b]the ultimate victory over evil, suddenly... "fumbled?"

No, that's a level of retardation and improbability that doesn't exist with Yoda. [/B]

^ LeBron James

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
How many people in star wars or reality have never made a mistake?

Bull. Shit.

Wow!! Again...

...The script doesn't specify why Yoda jumped to the lower pod. The script, if anything, is very generalized/summarized. It doesn't always go into great detail (although it does at other times). It's more or less an outline of what happens, while leaving room for explanatory causes or other filler material. So, with that being said; it does not dictate that Yoda made a tactical error or an illogical move. He could have jumped a number of reasons.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Wow!! Again...

...The script doesn't specify why Yoda jumped to the lower pod. The script, if anything, is very generalized/summarized. It doesn't always go into great detail (although it does at other times). It's more or less an outline of what happens, while leaving room for explanatory causes or other filler material. So, with that being said; it does not dictate that Yoda made a tactical error or an illogical move. He could have jumped a number of reasons.

That's just it LL. The script doesn't say WHY he jumped. There is no canonical reason that we can see other than what GL might say if we were to ask him personally. Therefore, we are left with speculation. However, speculation =/= contradiction with the film. There's no hard evidence to come to that conclusion.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
That's just it LL. The script doesn't say WHY he jumped. There is no canonical reason that we can see other than what GL might say if we were to ask him personally. Therefore, we are left with speculation. However, speculation =/= contradiction with the film. There's no hard evidence to come to that conclusion.

It's canon unless it directly contradicts the movie or later works. One cannot legitimately say that Yoda jumping to a lower pod contradicts the movie. That's all I am saying. Don't back into a strawman attack (not there yet, but I see this going that direction).

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
It's canon unless it directly contradicts the movie or later works. One cannot legitimately say that Yoda jumping to a lower pod contradicts the movie. That's all I am saying. Don't back into a strawman attack (not there yet, but I see this going that direction).

Yoda's dedication to his task of destroying Palpatine was absolute ala RotS. Upon fielding the advantage to complete said task, he backs off ala the script.

M'fraid that's a contradiction there. It's as if Mace said that "The oppression of the Sith will never return. You have lost." And then shuts down his saber. Blatant contradiction. Except with Yoda, one's movie canon, the other's script contradiction. Movie comes first, you know that.

Lucien, maybe you're just overthinking it, or maybe im thinking too simply. Either way, Yoda made a mistake. Not sure what else needs to be said about it honestly.

@Lord Lucien

No, good sir, it's not. There is no direct contradiction. The script (draft) gives us no reason one way or the other why he jumped. Perhaps (and this is pure speculation on my part) the sparks of Force Lightning that were bending back on Sidious were also affecting Yoda to the degree that it would be better for him to move to different ground. Who knows? No matter though, because there are no contradictions.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Lucien, maybe you're just overthinking it, or maybe im thinking too simply. Either way, Yoda made a mistake. Not sure what else needs to be said about it honestly.

The script has Yoda making a mistake. A huge, huge mistake that does not fit in with the character or his mentality, or his determination in the slightest. Just like how you can never experience two people truly interrupting one another in written dialogue, so too can you not understand someone's motives, feelings, mindset, etc. without clear indication. The script gives none. It could tell us that Sidious Force-flicked an eyelash in to Yoda's eye and we'd have our comical canon reason. Instead it's doing one of two thing: 1.) Making us rely on personal opinion (a resounding "no" for continuity of any scale. Or 2.) defying Yoda's self-anointed mandate. Translation: contradicting movie-Yoda's determined resolve to destroy the Sith, itself a big "f*ck you" to G-canon's face.

Maybe if the script said he jumped to give Sidious a break, or he jumped because he felt bad about what he was doing, or some bs like that, we would have a contradiction. But it doesn't. We have no grounds in which to declare this (contradiction) to be true. Therefore... no contradiction.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Maybe if the script said he jumped to give Sidious a break, or he jumped because he felt bad about what he was doing, or some bs like that, we would have a contradiction. But it doesn't. We have no grounds in which to declare this (contradiction) to be true. Therefore... no contradiction.

Contact Lucas or Chee for a reason, and this will all be fine.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Nothing, really.

The script has Yoda making a mistake. A huge, huge mistake that does not fit in with the character or his mentality, or his determination in the slightest. Just like how you can never experience two people truly interrupting one another in written dialogue, so too can you not understand someone's motives, feelings, mindset, etc. without clear indication. The script gives none. It could tell us that Sidious Force-flicked an eyelash in to Yoda's eye and we'd have our comical canon reason. Instead it's doing one of two thing: 1.) Making us rely on personal opinion (a resounding "no" for continuity of any scale. Or 2.) defying Yoda's self-anointed mandate. Translation: contradicting movie-Yoda's determined resolve to destroy the Sith, itself a big "f*ck you" to G-canon's face.

LL, StarWars is full of whys and hows. That's been a major issue with the entire saga. Too many matters left to speculation/interpretation. Now... Bacon time!!!

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
LL, StarWars is full of whys and hows. That's been a major issue with the entire saga.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
True. And that makes this one ignorable, how?

The script gives none. It could tell us that Sidious Force-flicked an eyelash in to Yoda's eye and we'd have our comical canon reason. Instead it's doing one of two thing: 1.) Making us rely on personal opinion (a resounding "no" for continuity of any scale. Or 2.) defying Yoda's self-anointed mandate. Translation: contradicting movie-Yoda's determined resolve to destroy the Sith, itself a big "f*ck you" to G-canon's face.

^ That

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
^ That

Well, couldnt this also be plot induced stupidity? Palpatine was clearly alive in the original trilogy and therefore Yoda could't have won in ROTS.