political correctness

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sure. then i could also ask for a world where women are 3 to 1 on men.. for now i just want ppl to be honest to themselves and realize we all have prejudice in one form or another.

Okay, I want people to be honest with themselves and realize how stupid, dangerous and harmful those prejudices are and work to overcome them. Defending racist speech and tossing about claims like "everyone is racist" has the exact opposite effect, people are very quick to equate normality and goodness. Explaining to people "that's racism, we know from history that it's wrong and that it hurt peoples" is a much better use of time than demanding people laugh at jokes about how stupid black people supposedly are.

ppl can admit to be prejudice and consciously try to overcome them and realize how counter productive it can be,, i know i try everyday.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
ppl can admit to be prejudice and consciously try to overcome them and realize how counter productive it can be,, i know i try everyday.

Except that when people say "hey, you're desire to kill sandniggers is racist" you brush it off by saying "everyone is racist". So no, you clearly don't. Unless you mean that they'll realize how counter-productive it is to try overcoming prejudice, in which case there's something seriously wrong with you.

Also, what prevents people from being polite and trying to eliminate predjudice?

if you read my comment you know i said it during an emotional moment.. i didnt deny it was racially motivated but to label me on that one moment is also wrong especially since i dont believe that..

if ppl want to label me fine do it on what i believe not what i said half a decade ago.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You won't rather a world where people, I don't know, aren't racist in the first place?

Do you not realize how many great jokes would be vanquished? Maybe think before you say something like that.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
if you read my comment you know i said it during an emotional moment.. i didnt deny it was racially motivated but to label me on that one moment is also wrong especially since i dont believe that..

Okay, now you're just being PC. It's okay, everyone is racist, you can admit that the sandniggers need to die. Better than being a hypocrite after all. ****ing pussy.

i am not being a hypocrite i made it blatantly clear in my initial post when i told that story...

i said i made a racist comment when i lost my friend i wanted everyone of that race dead.. i also knew how wrong it was.. and although i wanted that with my whole being that was then.. i simply looked deep at myself and realize how stupid it was to think that. if i am racist then call me that b/c of what i believe not what i said in an out burst...

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i am not being a hypocrite i made it blatantly clear in my initial post when i told that story...

i said i made a racist comment when i lost my friend i wanted everyone of that race dead.. i also knew how wrong it was.. and although i wanted that with my whole being that was then.. i simply looked deep at myself and realize how stupid it was to think that. if i am racist then call me that b/c of what i believe not what i said in an out burst...

No, see you're lying here because you want to be PC. You don't have to bottle up those feelings. Remember man, everyone is racist at heart wanting to kill all the sandniggers doesn't make you different from anyone else.

it doesnt. i dont hate middle eastern ppl... i was angry back then i am not angry now nor do i have any animosity toward them...

i am not being PC if i still hated and felt that way about middle eastern ppl i would tell you. i have nothing to be ashamed of to lie to you about it. you want me to still feel that way and gratefully i do not i dont hate any race the way i felt back then..

i might laugh at some jokes and whatnot but i dont hate in such a manner i dont think i could ever be that angry again to think and feel the way i once did.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i dont hate middle eastern ppl...

Everyone hates mid eastern people.

To save time I'll assume that you'll deny this as well and point out that when I said "I'm not racist" your response was to baselessly claim that "everyone is racist". The truth is that I'm not racist in any meaningful way (unless you're one of those people who includes the ability to see colors as racist), I don't even find racial jokes particularly funny.

I am however, incredibly sexist. Separate problem 😉

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
My Guess:
Alice hates gays. Bob hates homophobes. Both dislike something but Alice is morally superior because she isn't also a hypocrite.

I get that part, I just don't get what is hypocritical. I mean, what is hypocritical about not being racist and also disliking racist people? is it really that not hating someone for trivial reasons like race or religion also means you can't hate people for logical and reasonable things? such as their dislike of trivial qualities if others?

conversely, wouldn't this also mean that if someone admits to being a little bit racist they must also hate everyone? I don't mean that in a glib way either, the same logic would imply that a racist must then have no friends, or else they are a hypocrite.

though I find the logic silly in the first place. reasons for disliking people are not equal. disliking someone because they willfully hold disgusting and potentially dangerous things about people based on physical characteristics or sexual preference is demonstrably better than disliking someone based on said physical characteristics.

Originally posted by inimalist
I get that part, I just don't get what is hypocritical. I mean, what is hypocritical about not being racist and also disliking racist people?

It's not that. It's that fact that you dislike someone else for his views and opinions and its okay to criticize him for having such a narrow mindset, but if he calls you gay, liberal, or any term that might be interpreted as derogatory, he is wrong and needs to lose his job. See how unfair that is?

conversely, wouldn't this also mean that if someone admits to being a little bit racist they must also hate everyone? I don't mean that in a glib way either, the same logic would imply that a racist must then have no friends, or else they are a hypocrite.

But then again, I guess I'm being impartial to those who are hypocrites because of my moral values. It's very true that no one is perfect. All we can do is base our thoughts on our experiences.

what if he calls you gay outside of work at a bar?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
what if he calls you gay outside of work at a bar?

Is the guy really gay in this scenario?

does it matter? apparently gay isnt PC...

it was used in this manner..
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Originally posted by LLLLLink
It's not that. It's that fact that you dislike someone else for his views and opinions and its okay to criticize him for having such a narrow mindset, but if he calls you gay, liberal, or any term that might be interpreted as derogatory, he is wrong and needs to lose his job. See how unfair that is?

No. If I explain to someone how his belief that gays are going to rape his kids and kill his wife is inaccurate and his only response to call me a ****** I have zero sympathy for him. And as people have been saying, reasoning for disliking people are not equal. Racism is, provably, irrational and harmful. Trying to get people to not be racist should hardly be equated with racism.

Who's ever been fired for calling someone a liberal?

Originally posted by LLLLLink
But then again, I guess I'm being impartial to those who are hypocrites because of my moral values. It's very true that no one is perfect.

Your moral values place hypocrisy below racism? And who's been claiming to be perfect anyway?

Originally posted by LLLLLink
All we can do is base our thoughts on our experiences.

No we can do a lot more that that. We're not ducks, we're thinking creatures. You don't suppose the world is flat do you?

well during religious debates some have posted the question how do i know the world isnt flat? that i am simply being told. this line of reasoning leads me to speculate some ppl might think the world is flat.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
It's not that. It's that fact that you dislike someone else for his views and opinions and its okay to criticize him for having such a narrow mindset, but if he calls you gay, liberal, or any term that might be interpreted as derogatory, he is wrong and needs to lose his job. See how unfair that is?

yes, but that isn't hypocritical at all.

actually,'scratch that, I also don't understand how that is unfair.

if a person is making comments of any nature that might be offensive at their place of work it is the whim of the employer to enforce it to their desire. I might agree if you could show me an instance where a company is going against it's own policy to reprimand racism over another type of offense, however, even then, I would support an employer's rights in that case, and racial offense threatens their market value much more than other types.

just in terms of word use, nobody is arguing that referring to a situation as "gay" to describe lameness is homophobic, and the only accusations of racism have been toward people proposing racially based sterilization and violence. this hang up on who uses what words is stupid, one can be a racist without ever saying ******, and my academic use of the term there is certainly not evidence that I'm racist.

hell, even if we just talk about word use it isn't hypocritical. if you call people f-a-g-s, you are using a term that you are well aware is offensive to people. they criticize you for the fact that you are going out of your way to use offensive vocabulary when you don't need to. maybe they pick the wrong term (homophobe instead of anti-social douche) but critisizing you for that is in no way hypocritical. again, you might have a point that racial and sexual orientation offenses are a type of offense people are more sensitive to, but if that is the case, it really only proves my "you are just a douche bag" thesis, as it shows you know exactly how people are going to react to your words, meaning you have nothing to complain about when people get offended

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
well during religious debates some have posted the question how do i know the world isnt flat? that i am simply being told. this line of reasoning leads me to speculate some ppl might think the world is flat.

Yes. These people are ducks. They should have two of the various proofs explained to them. If they still don't get it they should be eaten for Thanksgiving.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No. If I explain to someone how his belief that gays are going to rape his kids and kill his wife is inaccurate and his only response to call me a ****** I have zero sympathy for him. And as people have been saying, reasoning for disliking people are not equal. Racism is, provably, irrational and harmful. Trying to get people to not be racist should hardly be equated with racism.

Who's ever been fired for calling someone a liberal?

Your moral values place hypocrisy below racism? And who's been claiming to be perfect anyway?

No we can do a lot more that that. We're not ducks, we're thinking creatures. You don't suppose the world is flat do you?

There is nothing wrong with not liking someone for something. It's only wrong when you act upon it. Racism is not harmful until someone acts upon it. If they are somehow "damaged" by words, it's only because they have interpreted words in a way that wounds their spirit, pride, or whatever. And that is their own fault.

And yes, I place hypocrisy below racism.