Kain telekinesis is by no means weak.
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Kain throws Raziel a great distance shattering the structure he lands in.
Originally posted by Etna
And Kain didn't even aim...Once Raziel got close, voom! I'm starting to think Kain is being under estimated hereBut, Spiderman would of spider sensed that TK.
If I'm correct you can't really spider-sense TK. I mean it's focusing on your body not the area your body is in. Someone feel free to correct me however.
There's a big difference between using TK to manipulate something and using a "TK burst" like what Kain was doing in the other video.
Around 6:00 is a more traditional TK.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteSo you respond to one part and don't even answer that question. Concession accepted.
😆 I'll let you stew in this until morning, am tired. Maybe you should look at the scans on page one.
Originally posted by The ScenarioWhat's the difference?
There's a big difference between using TK to manipulate something and using a "TK burst" like what Kain was doing in the other video.Around 6:00 is a more traditional TK.
Kain actively needs to gesture and aim his TK, Spidey would be very hard to catch, and I don't see why his precog wouldn't be set off O.o
But yeah, Spidey can dode lasers and guns and stuff with relative ease, and Kain's best TK lift/hold feat is basicly a human without super-strength and no tether to escape. 😛 Factor in that Kain needs to actively gesture, and I think Kain will have a hard time catching his opponent.
I also agree that a TK push is very different from a hold. Similar to the difference between a force push and a force crush.
So you respond to one part and don't even answer that question. Concession accepted.I did tell you to check the scans on page one, apparently you're too lazy. 😐 Lol@my concession? Spider Man is factually much, much faster than Kain.
I'd like to add that Astner was doing a pretty good job supporting Kain before you got here and started making claims that cannot be supported. >|
Originally posted by ScreamPasteWhy does he need to aim in when we clearly see when Raziel gets close to him it knocks him across the room.
Kain actively needs to gesture and aim his TK, Spidey would be very hard to catch, and I don't see why his precog wouldn't be set off O.oBut yeah, Spidey can dode lasers and guns and stuff with relative ease, and Kain's best TK lift/hold feat is basicly a human without super-strength and no tether to escape. 😛 Factor in that Kain needs to actively gesture, and I think Kain will have a hard time catching his opponent.
I also agree that a TK push is very different from a hold. Similar to the difference between a force push and a force crush.
There was a video showing he doesn't need to actively gesture just stand there basically and launch any foe a considerable distance away.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteRequote it I have read numerous comics with Spiderman and although he's fast I don't see any proof he's considerably faster than Kain.
I did tell you to check the scans on page one, apparently you're too lazy. 😐 Lol@my concession? Spider Man is factually much, much faster than Kain.I'd like to add that Astner was doing a pretty good job supporting Kain before you got here and started making claims that cannot be supported. >|
I backed my case and the soulreaver video is common knowledge since you said you played these games but you were being dishonest since you acted like you never saw it before.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why does he need to aim in when we clearly see when Raziel gets close to him it knocks him across the room.There was a video showing he doesn't need to actively gesture just stand there basically and launch any foe a considerable distance away.
Requote it I have read numerous comics with Spiderman and although he's fast I don't see any proof he's considerably faster than Kain.
I backed my case and the soulreaver video is common knowledge since you said you played these games but you were being dishonest since you acted like you never saw it before.
Already addressed.
It's on page one, I'm not requoting it, go to page one and actually read this thread, y'know, read before you post? Things you missed.
Also, lolwut? You've backed nothing, and make all the insinuations you want, until you post a feat, you're wrong.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteThat's tk and an attack. So really explain why it's not an effective attack and why he won't use it every time Spiderman gets close to him?
See cutscene Scenario posted, plx. What he used on Raziel was a push.Already addressed.
It's on page one, I'm not requoting it, go to page one and actually read this thread, y'know, read before you post? Things you missed.
Also, lolwut? You've backed nothing, and make all the insinuations you want, until you post a feat, you're wrong.
I read spiderman and asked you a question. You concede I win.
So are you saying ripping out human hearts through giant plates of armor isn't a strength feat? Do I have to post it? I mean you played the game so you should be aware of it, right?
Originally posted by AstnerI already referenced this ability but even though screampaste claims he needs proof despite playing the game it's obvious he either didn't play the game or is purposefully ignoring Kain's portrayal and in game abilities.
Kain's speed--under the influence of Berserk--is quite impressive actually. May not look like it in the picture bellow, but still.
I refuse myself to post vids if this guy claims he played the game.
That's tk and an attack. So really explain why it's not an effective attack and why he won't use it every time Spiderman gets close to him?
I read spiderman and asked you a question. You concede I win.
So are you saying ripping out human hearts through giant plates of armor isn't a strength feat? Do I have to post it? I mean you played the game so you should be aware of it, right?
Kain has no speed or reaction feats worth notice, however. Hell, his fastest shown attack is in 0.3 of a second, a normal human could get out of the way of that. haermm
Read the thread before you post, especially the scans at the beginning.
Originally posted by AstnerThanks, Astner. Dealing with Quan gets old after awhile. 😛 I remember this ability, actually, but IIRC, isn't the speed boost sort of minimal? Around 50% or so? That is helpful indeed, but Spidey will still be faster not counting his precog.
Kain's speed--under the influence of Berserk--is quite impressive actually. May not look like it in the picture bellow, but still.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I already referenced this ability but even though screampaste claims he needs proof despite playing the game it's obvious he either didn't play the game or is purposefully ignoring Kain's portrayal and in game abilities.I refuse myself to post vids if this guy claims he played the game.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste1.To avoid it he has to move away and when he gets back close again there it comes again.
1. It can be avoided.
2. Spiderman is much faster than Kain, and if Kain waits til Spidey is close, he'll already be gettign pummelled. 😐Lol'd. How often to you pretend to win? It's kinda funny, but you need to learn something new. This'll get boring soon. 🙁
Like I said, read before you post. EVERYONE agrees KAin is physicly stronger, and it has nothing to do with your posts, Astner put forward a number, and I had a higher one. This is a moot point, you're trying to prove somethign no one is arguing against. Zomg, Kain can rip out hearts. So could spiderman if he wanted, he's a ten tonner IIRC.
Kain has no [b]speed or reaction
feats worth notice, however. Hell, his fastest shown attack is in 0.3 of a second, a normal human could get out of the way of that. haermmRead the thread before you post, especially the scans at the beginning. [/B]
You refuse to post the feats you say you were referring to. Do you need me to tell you how?
Not just ripping out hearts but doing so through thick armor. If you played the games why do I need to prove he's strong if you played the game? Next thing I'll hear is prove Superman can fly out of you.
So now gameplay itself means he isn't shown to be very fast in the game. I already said berserk shows he's incredibly fast yet you avoided it when I asked you about it.
Actually respond to my posts not one sentence and then avoid answering that question as well.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Thanks, Astner. Dealing with Quan gets old after awhile. 😛 I remember this ability, actually, but IIRC, isn't the speed boost sort of minimal? Around 50% or so? That is helpful indeed, but Spidey will still be faster not counting his precog.How about proving the degree to which it's helpful? Played and beat BO2, was fun, but Kain never once displayed a reaction or speed feat. Berserk is an ability that can amp him, but it's only in gameplay and is sorta low on actual feats. We can go by how much it speeds him up, get a rouch percentage, but spidey still has his precog and will still be faster without it. This'll also put a dent in Kain's magic reserves.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Yes, beat it.Kain never once demonstrated superhuman reflexes through out the entire game.
Originally posted by quanchi112I already stated berserk mode you dodged then and now when someone posted the video you agree so you really never played the game. Like usual I am right and you are wrong.
So you take this statement to mean he is only faster than certain mortal men not all?What is berserk mode from bo2? are those slow attacks or are they fast attacks?
How is spiderman much faster than him?
Originally posted by quanchi112
1.To avoid it he has to move away and when he gets back close again there it comes again.You refuse to post the feats you say you were referring to. Do you need me to tell you how?
Not just ripping out hearts but doing so through thick armor. If you played the games why do I need to prove he's strong if you played the game? Next thing I'll hear is prove Superman can fly out of you.
So now gameplay itself means he isn't shown to be very fast in the game. I already said berserk shows he's incredibly fast yet you avoided it when I asked you about it.
Actually respond to my posts not one sentence and then avoid answering that question as well.
Me:
Spidey is fast enough to avoid a push, and if Kain waits til Spidey is close it will be too late.
You:
If Spidey's close he has to move away to avoid it!
Difference? There are feats to support Spidey's speed.
Me:
I tell you Kain is stronger, and that I actually posted the highest number for his strength in this thread.
You:
You ignore this and ask me if I want more proof Kain is strong, while posting a pathetic strength feat.
Difference: You OBVIOUSLY didn't read my post.
Also, I tell you the scans are on page one, and that you should read a thread you're participating in. You ignore me, and continue to badger me to quote Parmaniac when you could EASILY click the little "1" and go look for yourself.
I already stated berserk mode you dodged then and now when someone posted the video you agree so you really never played the game. Like usual I am right and you are wrong.
The trailer for Blood Omen 2 might be useful.
Though the methods in Blood Omen were a lot crueler, and we don't know how many of the he retreived after his sleep.
