Originally posted by OneDumbG0Ohew.
Finally, analogizing pre-Crisis with Silver Age Marvel stories is idiotic. Marvel never retconned their history. DC did. You reference Surfer and Thor? You have any idea how much weaker/limited they were back during the Silver Age as compared to now? Your analogy is terrible.Second, you obviously have no effing clue of the lengths that Marvel goes to, to preserve the original stories down to the smallest details. First Avengers' story in Avengers #1 involved Hulk joining a circus in clown-paint and acting like a robot to hide from the military. Avengers: The Origin -- a limited series being published right now -- literally expands on that exact plot down to the name of the robot: Mechano. Loki got beat when he changed into a radioactive state in that story where Pym simply dropped him into a lead container at the end of Avengers #1. There have been at least three stories decades later that reference and preserve and explain why that actually worked. I can cite to dozens, if not a hundred, such instances of this same type of zealous preservation for countless other stories for countless other characters for Marvel.
You continuing to reach back to pre-Crisis times only highlights and underscores the largest flaw in your argumentation: a patent disregard for anything in current stories that serves to "weaken" your favorite character despite how clearly and plainly it's portrayed, but turning right around and accepting all current stories that serve to "strengthen" your favorite character. Double-standard is double-standard anyway you slice it.
And another point to consider: DC proponents get more slack than most even bother to point out when it comes to the convoluted history of DC. There have been no less than three different Zods post-Crisis. Nobody's arguing that Superman's showings against Azzarello's Phantom Zone Zod got wiped away from continuity. Even though you justifiably could argue that Infinite Crisis and 52 retconned it so that the first time current Superman ever personally met anyone named Zod, was in Superman: Last Son. So frankly, crying victim is about the last thing pre-Crisis proponents ought to be doing.
