FrankenCastle vs. Wolverine

Started by Deadline12 pages
Originally posted by SamZED
but they both were in crappy shape so...

Yes but with Frankencastle the longer hes goes without his pills the worse it gets. DP has a healing factor so he would have gotten better.

Originally posted by SamZED

Its just I dont believe that Frank collapsed. There's just no reason to believe something like that might've happened.

I think I agree, nobody is going to let DP lose in his own comicbook but on paper Frankencastle should really kick his arse and thats what was happening. In honesty I think they took it off panel because they didn't want to show badly DP got it.

So how much of the fight was actually shown?

Originally posted by Deadline
Yes but with Frankencastle the longer hes goes without his pills the worse it gets. DP has a healing factor so he would have gotten better.
We can only speculate really as it went off-panel. They said he was "very sick" and seeing how even other characters noticed that it could've gotten worse for all we know before his HF kicked in.

Originally posted by Deadline

I think I agree, nobody is going to let DP lose in his own comicbook but on paper Frankencastle should really kick his arse and thats what was happening. In honesty I think they took it off panel because they didn't want to show badly DP got it.
I guess you didnt read all the team ups. Wouldn't say he won every time he fought someone in his books. Far from that. So him winning doesnt have anything to do with the fact that it happened in his book. I always thought they planned it like this - "Ok, Deadpool will kick Frank's ass in the end, so lets make him look bad and act like a complete idiot in the beginning of the fight, make him lose his weapons, charge headfirst, eat pills etc so it wouldnt look too onesided." Dont see any other explanation for his behaviour and poor display of abilities. On paper it could go either way.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
So how much of the fight was actually shown?
The beginning with Deadpool eating pills, charging at Frank headfirst and losing his main weapons, then trying to use chainsaw and a flamethrower with pretty much no result, getting burnt himself and getting tossed through the building. Then Frank charging at Deadpool and getting pinned. It was all shown in a flashback style.

Originally posted by SamZED
He was "about to" do nothing, stop acting like Deadpool being scared means something. And you dont know how tough his katanas are. Over the years he's used various blades. I know enogh about Frank and read every Frankencastle book. Can you say the same about Deadpool? Doubt it. Sorry man, but your scenario is an assumption based on other assumptions that hold no ground.

I see Frank attack Deadpool with max speed and I see him get pinned by Deadpool. Writers intention there is pretty clear - Deadpool won. Nothing supports your theory.

everything supports it, i've outlined it many times you've just ignored every part because of the last panel.

1. Frank was annihilating Deadpool, none of his wepaons were having any effects, yet somehow deadpool was able to overcome frank with his katanas? not likely seeing anything less than decapitation would've had no effect,
2. Frank came to RIGHT after deadpool fed him the pills, that means he was braindead, you keep ignoring that little part
3. Frank has shattered through walls and ripped his own arm off, and you believe deadpool's katannas rendered him unable to move?

Originally posted by SamZED
The beginning with Deadpool eating pills, charging at Frank headfirst and losing his main weapons, then trying to use chainsaw and a flamethrower with pretty much no result, getting burnt himself and getting tossed through the building. Then Frank charging at Deadpool and getting pinned. It was all shown in a flashback style.
frank was never shown getting pinned, we saw frank charging, then him braindead on the table,

I'm going to comment a bit later on. but could you possibly post scans of the whole fight Sam.

yea I really like to see it, I been look for them.

also second part of the daken fight was much much better.

Im tired of this, regardless the issue showed Frank Castle on even terms can beat deadpool handily, especially with his upgrade.

Not only that, we know in a straight fight Frank would beat Daken,, despite what people may think, the first fight of the Frank/Daken crossover was pretty much on even terms, and Frank was about to kill Daken.

I think wolverine might only win in a Frank (no prep) vs. Wolverine (adamantium)

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
yea I really like to see it, I been look for them.
I'd like to hear your stance on this matter.

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm going to comment a bit later on. but could you possibly post scans of the whole fight Sam.
np. I will post the whole fight as soon as I get home. But im pretty sure the whole fight is already posted in some other thread.

Originally posted by Trackz

Im tired of this, regardless the issue showed Frank Castle on even terms can beat deadpool handily, especially with his upgrade.

Not only that, we know in a straight fight Frank would beat Daken,, despite what people may think, the first fight of the Frank/Daken crossover was pretty much on even terms, and Frank was about to kill Daken.

I think wolverine might only win in a Frank (no prep) vs. Wolverine (adamantium)

The issues showed Frank beat up Daken after a fight. Did Frank win? Hell yeah. Did he do it with ease? No. The thing is - Wolverine beat Daken, Bullseye beat Daken, Mac freakin Gargan beat Daken, im pretty sure X-23 was beating him at some point. So going by your logic they all should be able to "beat Deadpool handily"?😕 Sorry, but I disagree. Some of them tried already.

Originally posted by Trackz
everything supports it, i've outlined it many times you've just ignored every part because of the last panel.

1. Frank was annihilating Deadpool, none of his wepaons were having any effects, yet somehow deadpool was able to overcome frank with his katanas? not likely seeing anything less than decapitation would've had no effect,
2. Frank came to RIGHT after deadpool fed him the pills, that means he was braindead, you keep ignoring that little part
3. Frank has shattered through walls and ripped his own arm off, and you believe deadpool's katannas rendered him unable to move?

Ok, lets try this one last time.

About your theory. Sorry but it's a wishfull thinking that isn't supported with anything. Again, there is NOT A SINGLE hint from the writer that Frank went braindead, faintead, had a heart attack or anything of that sort. If you have a proof then show it to me but make sure it really is a proof and not speculation. Im not trying to be a jerk but im honestly getting tired of this pointless debate.

And while you're at it think about the following:
1) Why did Deadpool even need to pin Frank down if he was already uncouncious? It makes absolutely no sense.
2) Why are Frank's eyes opnen and why did he react to Deadpool grabbing him by the throat if he's uncouncious? Because it really looks like he's councious but can't move. And last
c) Why would Deadpool say that they fought if they didn't? Because Deadpool's comment clearly suggest that they did fight off-panel.

Again, Frank went berserk. Fact. He attacked Deadpool. Fact. After he attacked Deadpool he ended up pinned to the table helpless with Deadpool feeding him the pills. Fact. Notice im not making any theories, I simply say what I see in the book and writers intention here is pretty clear - They fought, Deadpool won. Ask anyone they'll tell you the exact same thing. I see you already made up your mind so no amount of arguments and proofs could change it, but please stop using your theory as if its a fact in other vs threads.

Originally posted by SamZED
np. I will post the whole fight as soon as I get home. But im pretty sure the whole fight is already posted in some other thread.

The issues showed Frank beat up Daken after a fight. Did Frank win? Hell yeah. Did he do it with ease? No. The thing is - Wolverine beat Daken, Bullseye beat Daken, Mac freakin Gargan beat Daken, im pretty sure X-23 was beating him at some point. So going by your logic they all should be able to "beat Deadpool handily"?😕 Sorry, but I disagree. Some of them tried already.

Ok, lets try this one last time.

About your theory. Sorry but it's a wishfull thinking that isn't supported with anything. Again, there is NOT A SINGLE hint from the writer that Frank went braindead, faintead, had a heart attack or anything of that sort. If you have a proof then show it to me but make sure it really is a proof and not speculation. Im not trying to be a jerk but im honestly getting tired of this pointless debate.

And while you're at it think about the following:
1) Why did Deadpool even need to pin Frank down if he was already uncouncious? It makes absolutely no sense.
2) Why are Frank's eyes opnen and why did he react to Deadpool grabbing him by the throat if he's uncouncious? Because it really looks like he's councious but can't move. And last
c) Why would Deadpool say that they fought if they didn't? Because Deadpool's comment clearly suggest that they did fight off-panel.

Again, Frank went berserk. Fact. He attacked Deadpool. Fact. After he attacked Deadpool he ended up pinned to the table helpless with Deadpool feeding him the pills. Fact. Notice im not making any theories, I simply say what I see in the book and writers intention here is pretty clear - They fought, Deadpool won. Ask anyone they'll tell you the exact same thing. I see you already made up your mind so no amount of arguments and proofs could change it, but please stop using your theory as if its a fact in other vs threads.

1. I never said Frank would win with ease, but he was about to kill Daken
2. This topic is about Frank vs. Wolverine, my post wasn't about Frank vs. Deadpool, you can bump that thread up again but we already came to the conclusion Frank would win.
3. You're ignoring the fact that Frank needed to be fed pills in order to reanimate, after which he was completely fine.
4. what do his eyes being open have to do with anything? if you die with your eyes open do you think they close by themselves?
5. ..because they fought for a while before frank went braindead

You thinking that the swords were able to pin Frank when he has super strength ignores all of his strenght feats. You also keep ignoring the fact that he needed the pills to reanimate, he wasn't doing anything, not even growling or yelling at Deadpool. He was braindead.

No back on topic, we know that a Frank on his pills would defeat deadpool (he was off his pills, meaning he was slower than normal in his fight with Deadpool) we also know Frank can take out Deadpool.

Nothing short of decapitation would defeat him, so Frank's biggest challenge would be adamantium wolverine.

Re: FrankenCastle vs. Wolverine

Originally posted by Trackz
Fight 1:
Frank (No Prep) vs. Bone-Claw Wolverine

Fight 2:
Frank (No Prep) vs. Adamantium Wolverine

Fight 3:
Frank (Prep) vs. Adamantium Wolverine

Fight 4:
Frank (Prep) vs. Bone-Claw Wolverine

Frank for the majority.

Stalemate til further notice.

Frank for the majority.

Frank for the majority.

Originally posted by Trackz

Nothing short of decapitation would defeat him, so Frank's biggest challenge would be adamantium wolverine.

What if say Wolverine cut off both his arms and a leg? Does he have liek some reattachment feature or would he just hobble

^ He has reattached limbs.

Originally posted by Deadline
*YAWN*

I think you're saying what I said in the first place ie part of the brain would get burnt. Also the force of the impact from the bullet would travel through the eyeholes and damage the brain as well.

You actually don't know that for sure and you still said it would do what I said it would.

Its travelling at several hundred miles per hour and it hits an indestructible object theres still a decent chance something will break off.

No I didn't. What I said is that there is other mater in the way, and that a bullet generates a good amount of friction with the air heating it up, making the bullet little more malliable. It's less likely to break and more likely to bend. But you've still got optic nerve in the way.

It's not going to both break and burn.

You're really reaching here.

Originally posted by Trackz

No back on topic, we know that a Frank on his pills would defeat deadpool.

Saying it like it's common knowledge wont make it true. Im gonna stick with the good old 50/50 which is óìóò generous looking at the outcome of their previous fight. I might change my opinion once I see Frank demonstrate his upgrades. And do I have to remind you that Deadpool was in a bad shape himself during the fight?

Originally posted by Trackz

we also know Frank can take out Deadpool.

I honestly hope you do not mean classic Frank and for majority.

Originally posted by Trackz
1. I never said Frank would win with ease, but he was about to kill Daken
2. This topic is about Frank vs. Wolverine, my post wasn't about Frank vs. Deadpool, you can bump that thread up again but we already came to the conclusion Frank would win.
3. You're ignoring the fact that Frank needed to be fed pills in order to reanimate, after which he was completely fine.
4. what do his eyes being open have to do with anything? if you die with your eyes open do you think they close by themselves?
5. ..because they fought for a while before frank went braindead

You thinking that the swords were able to pin Frank when he has super strength ignores all of his strenght feats. You also keep ignoring the fact that he needed the pills to reanimate, he wasn't doing anything, not even growling or yelling at Deadpool. He was braindead.

No back on topic, we know that a Frank on his pills would defeat deadpool (he was off his pills, meaning he was slower than normal in his fight with Deadpool) we also know Frank can take out Deadpool.

Nothing short of decapitation would defeat him, so Frank's biggest challenge would be adamantium wolverine.


1. You said he's gonna win handily, and there's no reason to believe that. The fact that he managed to beat Daken after fighting him for the entire issue and with prep in no way proves that.
2 And you said "he made a fool outta Deadpool" when its a known fact that he lost to Deadpool, which means there was no point in bringing the fight up, let alone using it as an argument for this thread. And by “we came to conclusion” you mean your opinion based on Frank's victory over Daken? That’s not enough. I still say it's 50/50 and I have good reasons behind my opinion.
3 He looked fine (physically) to me when he treated Morbius (who's said to be class 2-10) as if he was nothing but a speed bump. Im not ignoring anything. It's just you're trying to make it into something it isnt because it suits your theory. Which again has no base.
4 If you die with your eyes open im sure you wont look mad and cringe when you get grabbed by the throat like Frank did. He was conscious and pissed off, yet helpless.
5. Why do you keep ASSUMING things and act as if it's a fact? Do you have any proof that he went braindead? Cause I have proofs that they fought and that Deadpool won the actual fight.

Lets not bring katanas here, it's comicbooks, people cut tanks in half with swords in comicbooks, nothing wrong with the fact that he managed to restrain Frank.
And you ignored my last question. Why would Deadpool even need to pin him down if he was braindead? And more importantly - How comes Frank was clearly conscious if according to you he was braindead? Stop saying that im ignoring something, im only ignoring your assumptions because they arent supported with evidence. If you could support them with something id look into it. But there's absolutely no proof nor hint no NOTHING that supports your scenario. So im gonna stick with the proven facts that I see in the book. And the facts say – Frank was conscious and kicking, yet Deadpool fought him and pinned him down thus winning the fight. There's no point debating that because its not my opinion, it's all in the book.

I think Sam is right. DP stated that he thought that Frank had bitten off his toe so this clearly suggests that they were fighting. We can also see that Frank is pinned to the table, so they must have been fighting in order for Punisher to get into that position.

However the reason why people thought or think that Punisher passed out was because nothing that DP was doing was working on Punisher therefore the only way he could win is if he passed out, and we also know there was something wrong with him.

Since Punisher was kicking DPs arse I conclude that eventhough he may not have passed out his condition must have worsened which therefore enabled DP at some point to win. This seems to be the logical conclusion because if things carried on the way they were DP would have lost.

Thanks, man. I appreciate it. And I really wasn't trying to be a jerk arguing with Trackz. Heck itd be perfectly fine with me if Frankencastle beats Deadpool the next time they fight as long as Deadpool fights like he's supposed to fight using his speed and skills to the fullest and not like some amature idiot. Gotta say it was a very poor performance for him. Im not talking about the outcome but about his overall display of speed, reflexes etc in that book. Same can be said about most of the Team up books, sometimes it seems the writer only cares about making the books funny.
I only disagree when some people act as if its a spite thread with nothing to debate.