Originally posted by SamZED
Saying it like it's common knowledge wont make it true. Im gonna stick with the good old 50/50 which is óìóò generous looking at the outcome of their previous fight. I might change my opinion once I see Frank demonstrate his upgrades. And do I have to remind you that Deadpool was in a bad shape himself during the fight?I honestly hope you do not mean classic Frank and for majority.
1. You said he's gonna win handily, and there's no reason to believe that. The fact that he managed to beat Daken after fighting him for the entire issue and with prep in no way proves that.
2 And you said "he made a fool outta Deadpool" when its a known fact that he lost to Deadpool, which means there was no point in bringing the fight up, let alone using it as an argument for this thread. And by “we came to conclusion” you mean your opinion based on Frank's victory over Daken? That’s not enough. I still say it's 50/50 and I have good reasons behind my opinion.
3 He looked fine (physically) to me when he treated Morbius (who's said to be class 2-10) as if he was nothing but a speed bump. Im not ignoring anything. It's just you're trying to make it into something it isnt because it suits your theory. Which again has no base.
4 If you die with your eyes open im sure you wont look mad and cringe when you get grabbed by the throat like Frank did. He was conscious and pissed off, yet helpless.
5. Why do you keep ASSUMING things and act as if it's a fact? Do you have any proof that he went braindead? Cause I have proofs that they fought and that Deadpool won the actual fight.Lets not bring katanas here, it's comicbooks, people cut tanks in half with swords in comicbooks, nothing wrong with the fact that he managed to restrain Frank.
because they arent supported with evidence. If you could support them with something id look into it. But there's absolutely no proof nor hint no NOTHING that supports your scenario. So im gonna stick with the proven facts that I see in the book. And the facts say – Frank was conscious and kicking, yet Deadpool fought him and pinned him down thus winning the fight. There's no point debating that because its not my opinion, it's all in the book. [/B]
And you ignored my last question. Why would Deadpool even need to pin him down if he was braindead? And more importantly - How comes Frank was clearly conscious if according to you he was braindead? Stop saying that im ignoring something, im only ignoring your [b]assumptions
What do you mean, even you admitted current Frank would take the majority in an even fight, and n o I didn't mean classic frank, i think I meant to write in daken.
1. winning for the large majority doesn't mean he would do it with ease, But Frankencastle should beat Deadpool for the large majority, especially in an even fight.
2. Did you see the fight? He was throwing deadpool everywhere and all of his weapons were useless. I don't disrespect the character at all, but that fight was no in his favor in the slightest. All of the on-panel fighting sequences showed him getting owned.
3. No, it comes down again to the fact that Frank wasn't conscious and once he was fed the pills he came back, articulate and all.
4. in certain types of braindeath, the patient may still react to certain stimuli, at that point he wasnt yelling or anything, and you honestly think that he can throw man-thing several hundred meters into the air, but a katanna to a table is able to restrain him? Either your theory is false or a serious case of PIS, as Frank goes from someone who can run through walls like paper to someone who can't break free from a katanna stuck in a table, which morbius removed easily with one hand.
5. you have no evidence how the fight ended, we saw Frank charge Deadpool, and it cut at that, we have no idea what happened, we don't know if they fought. We do know that he wasn't making any sounds and was staring into space blankly with his mouth agape. we also know as soon as he was fed his pills he was talking and his eyes had focus again.
Originally posted by Wolverine2006???
Wolverine. It was close when he fought Daken, and he had prep. I think the only reason why Frank survived was because he got [b]recharged by the train tracks, and I'm pretty sure Wolverine always holds back on Daken, because recently he got completely owned by Wolverine. [/B]
Originally posted by Trackz
What do you mean, even you admitted current Frank would take the majority in an even fight, and n o I didn't mean classic frank, i think I meant to write in daken.1. winning for the large majority doesn't mean he would do it with ease, But Frankencastle should beat Deadpool for the large majority, especially in an even fight.
2. Did you see the fight? He was throwing deadpool everywhere and all of his weapons were useless. I don't disrespect the character at all, but that fight was no in his favor in the slightest. All of the on-panel fighting sequences showed him getting owned.
3. No, it comes down again to the fact that Frank wasn't conscious and once he was fed the pills he came back, articulate and all.
4. in certain types of braindeath, the patient may still react to certain stimuli, at that point he wasnt yelling or anything, and you honestly think that he can throw man-thing several hundred meters into the air, but a katanna to a table is able to restrain him? Either your theory is false or a serious case of PIS, as Frank goes from someone who can run through walls like paper to someone who can't break free from a katanna stuck in a table, which morbius removed easily with one hand.
5. you have no evidence how the fight ended, we saw Frank charge Deadpool, and it cut at that, we have no idea what happened, we don't know if they fought. We do know that he wasn't making any sounds and was staring into space blankly with his mouth agape. we also know as soon as he was fed his pills he was talking and his eyes had focus again.
1. Depends on what do you mean by an even fight. The fight was even in the book. Both werent in their best shape.
2. Deadpool only got tossed because of CIS, he pretty much allowed Frank to grab him by charging headfirst at him which he'd never do in a "no CIS" fight, so it doesnt help a forum fight.
Besides geting tossed once does not equel losing. Getting pinned with no means to escape does. You can't focus on one part of the fight and say it was in Frank's favor while ignoring the outcome of the whole battle that was in Deadpool's favor.
3. Man, you're in denial. 😕 Look at the scans again, he was berserk when he charged at Deadpool and was clearly counscious when Deadpool was feeding him the pills.
4. "in certain types of braindeath.." Seriously?? That's the reason you ignore evidence from the book? Because Frank's counsciousness MIGHT not have been what it looked like?? I dont have any theories, you're the one making theories here. I simply go but what's clearly shown in the book - counscious Frank pinned down after attacking Deadpool, while you base your opinion on what "might have" or "could have" happened because you hate the fact that Deadpool managed to win.
As for katanas, Deadpool's cut through steel with his swords. He in one strike murdered a sea monster size of a train. Compared to that restraining Frank (and we dont even know if he's class 10) with swords sounds pretty believable.
And PLEASE answer my question - Why would Deadpool need to pin Frank down AT ALL if Frank just collapsed on the table all by himself and was no loger a threat? Can you answer that? Because it doesnt make sense to me.
5. Man, im THIS close to posting a "facepalm" smilie. I DO have the evidence of how the fight ended and I already posted them on the second page. It ended with Frank pinned to the table, unable to free himself and cringing when Deadpool grabed him by the throat (clearly counscious), I also DO have evidence that they fought - Deadpool's comments make that pretty clear. If you do not agree it is up to YOU (NOT me) to prove that Frank just fainted because nothing.. again - NOTHING supports that theory.
Originally posted by SamZED
The issues showed Frank beat up Daken after a fight. Did Frank win? Hell yeah. Did he do it with ease? No. The thing is - Wolverine beat Daken, Bullseye beat Daken, Mac freakin Gargan beat Daken, im pretty sure X-23 was beating him at some point. So going by your logic they all should be able to "beat Deadpool handily"?😕 Sorry, but I disagree. Some of them tried already.
After his training with Silver Samurai and change in mindset. Daken's beaten him before.
Sinister Spider-Man was a silly book, to put it lightly. Gargan basically got owned with one chop to the throat, pheromones proved to be working on him too in DW.
X-23 wasn't beating anyone. She had help from Armor and Pixie and Daken was still holding his own.
Originally posted by SamZED
Thought we were talking about pre-upgraded Frankencastle since he's the one who fought DP. Also tbh I wasnt impressed with the way upgraded FC fought Daken in the last issue. He's yet to demonstrate his upgrades.1. Depends on what do you mean by an even fight. The fight was even in the book. Both werent in their best shape.
2. Deadpool only got tossed because of CIS, he pretty much allowed Frank to grab him by charging headfirst at him which he'd never do in a "no CIS" fight, so it doesnt help a forum fight.
Besides geting tossed once does not equel losing. Getting pinned with no means to escape does. You can't focus on one part of the fight and say it was in Frank's favor while ignoring the outcome of the whole battle that was in Deadpool's favor.
3. Man, you're in denial. 😕 Look at the scans again, he was berserk when he charged at Deadpool and was clearly counscious when Deadpool was feeding him the pills.
4. "in certain types of braindeath.." Seriously?? That's the reason you ignore evidence from the book? Because Frank's counsciousness MIGHT not have been what it looked like?? I dont have any theories, you're the one making theories here. I simply go but what's clearly shown in the book - counscious Frank pinned down after attacking Deadpool, while you base your opinion on what "might have" or "could have" happened because you hate the fact that Deadpool managed to win.
As for katanas, Deadpool's cut through steel with his swords. He in one strike murdered a sea monster size of a train. Compared to that restraining Frank (and we dont even know if he's class 10) with swords sounds pretty believable.
And PLEASE answer my question - Why would Deadpool need to pin Frank down AT ALL if Frank just collapsed on the table all by himself and was no loger a threat? Can you answer that? Because it doesnt make sense to me.
5. Man, im THIS close to posting a "facepalm" smilie. I DO have the evidence of how the fight ended and I already posted them on the second page. It ended with Frank pinned to the table, unable to free himself and cringing when Deadpool grabed him by the throat (clearly counscious), I also DO have evidence that they fought - Deadpool's comments make that pretty clear. If you do not agree it is up to YOU (NOT me) to prove that Frank just fainted because nothing.. again - NOTHING supports that theory.
well he was able to easily keep pace with daken, when he seemed slow before.
1. frank wasn't armed, and we really aren't positive on how much the pills effected deadpool, or how badly frank needed his pills. if both were in top shape i think we can agree frank would win.
2. CIS plagues deadpool a lot, i don't doubt that
let me cut this short, it's tiresome seeing as we agree on the major issue, but our interpretation of that fight is obviously different. I've been stating the same points over again, and so have you, at this point it's agree to disagree.
Originally posted by Trackz
even in their one on one fights, frank demolished him, everytime daken tried to get in his close, his bones were shattered.
^ Arguably true since Wolverine's claws cuts through just about anything, but while Frankencastle may be just as sliceable, he isn't just as killable.
Impaling both of Frank's lungs would eventually lead to Frank's death. Impaling both of Frankencastle's lungs would just slow Frankencastle down a bit.
Originally posted by King CastleRight. But if we're talking about utterly crippling or killing Frankencastle, Wolverine would have to inflict that kind of fatal damage whereas he would have a shitload more options to take out Frank. Wolverine manages to gets a huge deep gash through Frank's abdomen and Frank is pretty much done. Wolverine manages to get a huge deep gash through Frankencastle's abdomen and Logan gets a metallic right-cross for his trouble cherry-topped with a classic Punisher one-liner.
but decapitating him and disarming him would seriously hamper frankencastle
Think about it this way: it's easier beating Boneclaw Wolverine with no HF than it is Boneclaw Wolverine with a limited healing factor. Right?
Same idea.