Originally posted by basiliskSeriously though, I like Wolverine but he really doesn't have any business defeating Tiger Shark underwater.
Yes he does the whole point of that series was to bring Punisher back to his classic levels. If you read as much Punisher as I have you would know hes capable of that. Somebody has been reading too much Chuck Dixon and Mike Baron.
Originally posted by EvilTyrant
Wolverine is getting written like a joke these days. He's not even dangerous as he used to be. Like Sabretooth would tell him, "Being with the X-men has made you soft." Who wrote this comic, Frank and Logan are friends (sometimes) where was the surprise at seeing Frank all messed up?
not his first time seeing frank.
Originally posted by Creshosk
That's what I'm saying as well.I personally don't care if he eventually KOs wolverine but doing so so quickly is like saying that he's stronger than the hulk.
Because hulk tried and failed to knock out wolverine in a few occasions in the past, got in more than four shots. Wasn't as successful as FrakenCastle.
thats my issue as well
Originally posted by CreshoskThis is the power of Wolverine. When Logan fights heralds and others he takes alot of abuse. When he fights street level guys it makes it seem that my grandmother could take him but hey it wouldn't be fun if Logan gets one shotted by Hulk Thor etc.. and the same could be said about Logan if he owned street level guys.
That's what I'm saying as well.I personally don't care if he eventually KOs wolverine but doing so so quickly is like saying that he's stronger than the hulk.
Because hulk tried and failed to knock out wolverine in a few occasions in the past, got in more than four shots. Wasn't as successful as FrakenCastle.
Originally posted by Deadline
Hell yeah. The guy was mashing up Daken with a broken leg and other wounds. He evaded Tiger Shark underwater (Matt Fraction actually but they are the same capability wise and both worked together at some point on the writing) and defeated him.Punisher as non-enhanced has stalemated meta human martial artists while he has been at a disadvantage, now he's been upgraded twice and has superhuman stats. Punisher has never had any trouble stunning Wolverine with these upgrades and these stats hell yea he could four shot Wolverine, he's that good.
In all honesty I'm not suprised that happened at all.
You're still not getting it. Remender's Daken heals extremely fast. Total opposite of Way's style. Wolverine has adamantium, so it's only logical that he'd be able to take more damage. Read FC #19, then come back.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're still not getting it. Remender's Daken heals extremely fast. Total opposite of Way's style. Wolverine has adamantium, so it's only logical that he'd be able to take more damage. Read FC #19, then come back.
You're not listening. I suspect ankur has read FC 19 and your reason didn't wash with him. Maybe I need to read the issue but I doubt it. Like I said FC was trying to take his time with Daken he wasn't with Wolverine.
Originally posted by Deadline
You're not listening.
Wait... I'm the one not listening? 😱 Your post was totally irrelevant. I'm not questioning Frank's skill, I'm simply saying that hf speed depends on the writer and that if it were Remender who's written the fight, Logan wouldn't go down that fast. His son who lacks the adamantium skeleton took more damage in one or two pages of FC #19 and was quite fine...
Originally posted by Deadline
I suspect ankur has read FC 19 and your reason didn't wash with him. Maybe I need to read the issue but I doubt it. Like I said FC was trying to take his time with Daken he wasn't with Wolverine.
Ha. No, he wasn't. If you read the issue you'd know that. They fought for the entire comic and Daken stayed conscious after attacks that normally would be far, far more than enough to put him or Wayverine down.
There is not a single instance in Wolverine: Origins and Dark Wolverine when Daken heals as fast as he does under Remender. Not even close.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Logan's been put down this quickly before. Let's not pretend he hasn't.
Then please give me strength feats on Frank that are higher than Juggernaut, Hulk, Apocalypse, Herald level characters, Thing, the super strength mutants that wolverine comes into contact with on a regular basis. I know that it's written in that street level characters take out wolverine but you know as well as I do that for his powers that shouldn't so much as sting for a second. The hulk ATE wolverine and he busted out of his guts like an alien chestburster... Frank didn't do anything close to that to wolverine as such I call it NEEDING TO WRITE FOR THE CHARACTER. If everone's levels were consistent then Phoenix would be damn near unbeatable alongside Psi-Lord, Hyperstorm, Galactus, God level characters Like Odin and Thor.
^ Wolverine's been put down by far far weaker characters who he comes into contact with on a regular basis. Let's not pretend otherwise.
This isn't about his opponents' strength. It's about you equating his adamantium skeleton and his healing factor to invincibility. He isn't invincible. He's resilient. If he were invincibile, precise localized damage wouldn't mean garbage. If he were resilient, precise localized damage can get the better of him. Case in point: Frankencastle wasn't trying to break Wolverine's adamantium skull. He was trying to bounce his brain around inside his adamantium skull.
You can believe what you like, but you look at the entirety of the 1000's of comics he's been in and tell what's real and what isn't.
Originally posted by King Castle
some one needs to find the scan where logan talks about his adamantium skull absorbing impact and keeping his brain save..cant recall who he said it to.. daredevil, spiderman or some random chick it was an 80's comic
This maybe? Third scan.
Originally posted by jinzin
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Warpath
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Wolverine lays down a hand to hand beating on Warpath till he gets distracted and Warpath hurts himself on Wolverine's face:
1. http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9489/warpathyt6.jpg
2. http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7518/warpath2xu1.jpg
3. http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4516/warpath3os6.jpg
no.. he was standing in an alley after he beat some ppl and some body was starin at logan either spidey, DD or a random chick about why isnt he ko;ed after taking a hit?
he had bn hit by a mid brick
they asked why isnt his brain mush that a metal skeleton cant help with that..
logan answered that his skull is adamantium and it absorbs the impact and keeps his brain save..
^ Sure it does. To a great degree. His brain still bounces around in there.
Originally posted by jinzinNobody said it was the norm. It just ain't PIS that's to be entirely dismissed and, on principle, cannot be mentioned here on the forums otherwise you violate rules of argumentation.
Oh for the love of.... How anyone can seriously read that and pretend it's the norm.....Ludicrous. As others have stated, Wayverine was Frankencastles best shot.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0And it bounces around far less when struck by far greater force right? 🙄
^ Sure it does. To a great degree. His brain still bounces around in there. Nobody said it was the norm. It just ain't PIS that's to be entirely dismissed and, on principle, cannot be mentioned here on the forums otherwise you violate rules of argumentation.
Oh wait, I guess FrankenCastle is stronger than the above mentioned guys.
