Originally posted by Ambient
👆 ..Real physics -- energy blast > sheer force --- equal portions..
Then why can a torch melt much stronger materials (like solid aluminum) far before it can melt a chunk of salt, yet a chunk of salt can easily be crumbled with the smallest of hammer blows?
Why can materials such as asbestos resist more heat than steel (steel has a lower melting point) yet be easily cut?
Why when lightning strike good conductors, no matter how weak, it causes little to no damage to them while when it strikes poor conductors it causes lots of damage?
Why can a cockroach survive more than 15x more nuclear radiation than us yet they can be crushed easily with our boots ?
You still want to use Real physics?
Originally posted by Naija boy
"You are confused. That is NOT bullrushing. In there were scans of SS actually moving and attacking in multiple directions at superspeed. Combat speed refers to actually being able to move react and cordinate attacks at superspeed in combat. SS does not even fight like superman or the flash first of all and then attempting to limit combat speed to your narrow definition while excluding and disregarding all else is a shifting goal post fallacy. "
Just because SS moves fast on TOP of his board DOES NOT MEANS he can move his limbs as fast as the FLASH. He moves faster than a regular human but not as fast as you may think.
"My narrow defeinition of combat speed"
Who is faster fighting Usain Bolt or Bruce Lee?
Who is faster fighting Lawrence Taylor or Bruce Lee?
This are two different things Bolt is faster than Bruce Lee running but He is not faster fighting
Lawrence Taylor may react faster than Bruce Lee, but Bruce Lee is faster figthing
Originally posted by Naija boy
"SS doing what he did is not even close to this nonsensical jet pilot example ur referencing. SS physical actions/reactions/reflexes are far more involved in the direction and navigation of his board than those of a jet pilot. Your example of a jet pilot sticking out his hand is further stupid because SS isnt simply leaving his body in one position while his board moves him along, he is actively attacking in multiple directions simultaneously at superspeed. Morevover, as seen in the examples, since SS is able to launch multiple attacks at superspeed (blasts) this would actually indicate a superspeed movement of the limbs in order to perform the the blasting motion."
If a jet pilot moves his limbs as fast as He can inside the cockpit left and right does that means he has hyper sonic speed?
SS has great reflexes but not on par of SUPERMAN, THOR OR FLASH
Originally posted by Naija boy
"SS is not a a physical fighter in the vein of superman or the flash and him not going around punching people like that does not at all diminish his combat speed. The very term combat speed refers to the effective application of speed IN COMBAT, and as ive shown SS has done this both offensively and defensively. Just because u dont like it doesnt somehow negate it.
Oh yes but lets be a little bit more specific, while he can move ON his board at those speeds, He cannot punch 2000 times in a second like the flash does it. So in the GENERAL sense He can ATTACK at light speed because his board moves at light speed. Flash, Superman or Thor on the other hand can attack at the same speeds and then deliver at least 20 super punches in the same attack AT THOSE SAME SPEEDS.
Originally posted by biensalsa
Just because SS moves fast on TOP of his board DOES NOT MEANS he can move his limbs as fast as the FLASH. He moves faster than a regular human but not as fast as you may think.
"My narrow defeinition of combat speed"
Who is faster fighting Usain Bolt or Bruce Lee?
Who is faster fighting Lawrence Taylor or Bruce Lee?
I didnt say he can move his limbs as fast as the flash. Not moving ur limbs as fast as the fast does not indicate lack of combat speed. u clearly dont even know the meaning of the term ur throwing about.
This whole Usain bolt bruce lee example is faulty, since SS has launched multiple attacks as well as dodged multiple superspeed attacks in the time it takes him to travel short distances while moving at superspeed on his board. Hence his limb movement and reactions have to be at a level of superspeed as well if not there is no way he would be able to do this within close battle distances. Instead we would have him being able to launch intermittent attacks only after travelling miles and miles each time since his limb movement and reactions would be so much slower than the actual movement of his board.
If a jet pilot moves his limbs as fast as He can inside the cockpit left and right does that means he has hyper sonic speed? SS has great reflexes but not on par of SUPERMAN, THOR OR FLASH
Not at all the same, the level of physical directing that a jet pilot is doing (while travelling inside a craft for Godsake) is not at all comparable to that which SS is doing while navigating his board. In order for SS to navigate, dodge, attack and perform complex manoeveres with his board which within close battle distances which heavily relies on him physically directing it requires superspeed reflexes comparable to the likes of superman and flash and undoubtedly above thors.lulz
Oh yes but lets be a little bit more specific, while he can move ON his board at those speeds, He cannot punch 2000 times in a second like the flash does it. So in the GENERAL sense He can ATTACK at light speed because his board moves at light speed. Flash, Superman or Thor on the other hand can attack at the same speeds and then deliver at least 20 super punches in the same attack AT THOSE SAME SPEEDS.
False. ...meh. He can deliever multiple blasts at superspeed (i.e the actual hand motions for the blasts being at superspeed if not there is no way hed be able to launch multiple attacks within close battle distances). His combat speed and reflexes are undoubtedly within the range of supermans and considerably exceed thors for that matter.
I'm really sick of fodder posters creating some sort of false distinction between combat and travel speed. If a character can move at FTL speeds and has decent enough reactions to stop without completely bypassing his destination by hundreds of thousands of kilometers then its safe to say he has good enough reactions to fight at at least close to light speeds.
Both Surfer and Superman have (at least) light speed combat speed, I'd give the edge in skill and strength to Superman but Surfer really isn't a brawler so it doesn't matter much.
Originally posted by Omega Visiono rly?
I'm really sick of fodder posters creating some sort of false distinction between combat and travel speed. If a character can move at FTL speeds and has decent enough reactions to stop without completely bypassing his destination by hundreds of thousands of kilometers then its safe to say he has good enough reactions to fight at at least close to light speeds.Both Surfer and Superman have (at least) light speed combat speed, I'd give the edge in skill and strength to Superman but Surfer really isn't a brawler so it doesn't matter much.
so if I fly a jet at mach 5, that means I have faster reflexes than bruce lee or prime mike tyson? since my travel speed is faster?
gtfo
Originally posted by Starscream MAnyway there are plenty of example of Surfer moving real fast.
if he can't move his arms at super speed then he will be helpless when superman launches 100s of blows per minute on him
Just a few
Moves before a Nano Second is passed.: Nano Second is one billionth of a second
One nanosecond is to one second as one second is to 31.7 years.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpg
His brain can think and react at those speed as well
Originally posted by h1a8
Then why can a torch melt much stronger materials (like solid aluminum) far before it can melt a chunk of salt, yet a chunk of salt can easily be crumbled with the smallest of hammer blows?Why can materials such as asbestos resist more heat than steel (steel has ain lightning strike good conductors, no matter how weak, it causes little to no damage to them while when it strikes poor conductors it causes lots of damage?
Why can a cockroach survive more than 15x more nuclear radiation than us yet they can be crushed easily with our boots ?
You still want to use Real physics?
❌ or Maybe, just maybe it has to do with the properties or biology of the object being applied to..
And here i thought it was you 😖hifty: who brought it up...
Originally posted by Starscream M
if he can't move his arms at super speed then he will be helpless when superman launches 100s of blows per minute on him
Did u even read my post? I said that if he cant move his arms as fast as the flash specifically it doesnt mean he doesnt have combat speed. i didnt say he cant move his arms at superspeed. I actually focused part of my post on elaborating upon how SS does have superspeed limb movement..........SO no he wont be helpless. far from it. Morover he also has forcefields which he can activate on a thought and he has thinking and processing speeds which match up and exceed even the best of speedsters.
Originally posted by Starscream Mthe jets sensors are perfectly attuned to high speeds however, and the weapons fire and travel at super high speeds, in surfer's case he IS that jet.
o rly?so if I fly a jet at mach 5, that means I have faster reflexes than bruce lee or prime mike tyson? since my travel speed is faster?
gtfo
and neither tyson or lee have the reactions to fly a jet, nor the training to engage in a dogfight.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
the jets sensors are perfectly attuned to high speeds however, and the weapons fire and travel at super high speeds, in surfer's case he IS that jet.and neither tyson or lee have the reactions to fly a jet, nor the training to engage in a dogfight.
