Originally posted by Starscream M
only when he wants to be
Originally posted by biensalsa
Superman can be tagged by SS with a blast I believe, not with his hands
And why couldn't Surfer hit him with his hands if Supes has been hit by slower(using your reasoning here)?
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm willing to bet that I can find instances of Supes being hit without wanting to.If he can raise his hands to blast, he can raise his hands to punch, that should be common sense...
And why couldn't Surfer hit him with his hands if Supes has been hit by slower(using your reasoning here)?
Well OK We have to have punches otherwise is no fun. Not like "atomic" strength can be achieved instantly. Or that is something Current Superman will be worried about if He is not holding back, like He instinctly does
Originally posted by biensalsa
Well OK We have to have punches otherwise is no fun. Not like "atomic" strength can be achieved instantly. Or that is something Current Superman will be worried about if He is not holding back, like He instinctly does
Originally posted by darthgoober
I think Supes would be worried if Surfer went up to "atomic strength" he'd be kinda dumb not to. Even if Supes was still stronger, Surfer's punches would still be a potential threat.
That is your perception of things. A no holding back Superman has nothing to worry when He has taken PC Kryptonian punches. I don't see atomic strength as a real danger for Superman.
Focus on SS real forte, his energy manipulation, physically he has nothing for Superman
To clarify:
Originally posted by Raoul
[B]Clarification of CISOk people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.
PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.
CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.
While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.
This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.
As Bada said:
"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."
What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.
In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:
The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience
Those four are key.
Example:
If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.
MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.
However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.
Examples:
Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.
Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.
It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET. [/B]
Nobody fights like an idiot if they don't have to. It's just that nobody spams heat vision/godblasts/cosmic rays from the outset either.
Originally posted by biensalsa
That is your perception of things. A no holding back Superman has nothing to worry when He has taken PC Kryptonian punches. I don't see atomic strength as a real danger for Superman.Focus on SS real forte, his energy manipulation, physically he has nothing for Superman
My point has just been that Surfer getting tagged by slower than light speed attacks means no more than Supes doing the same.
Originally posted by -Pr-
To clarify:Nobody fights like an idiot if they don't have to. It's just that nobody spams heat vision/godblasts/cosmic rays from the outset either.
Got it.
But his invunerability has nothing to do with how he will take an "atomic" punch. Invulnerability is a dormant power. If HE can take a PC kryptonian punch he can take an "atomic" punch with out a problem
Originally posted by darthgooberits part of him, but it is still an unconnected part that can and has separated...controlling one's own body still allows for more manuervability than being on a board, if only due to certain motions that are less easily applied if one's feet have to be on the board
Surfer's board is part of him. IT'S speed is HIS speed in any thread where he has it.