Originally posted by kgkg
Anyway there are plenty of example of Surfer moving real fast.Just a few
Moves before a Nano Second is passed.: Nano Second is one billionth of a secondOne nanosecond is to one second as one second is to 31.7 years.
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/48/marvelcomicspresents001fk4.jpgHis brain can think and react at those speed as well
OK time is short and not enough time to answer everything
I just have to say, this thing with the silver surfer nanosecond reaction = flashe's 2000 punches in a second is just completelly out of context
I have seen several time in which characters with out super speed had reacted at those speeds and it does not mean they can punch 2000 times in a second
I have seen Batman dodging lasers which is = to a nanosecond reaction time
I have seen Hulk dodging laser wich is = to a nanosecond reaction time
I have seen GL reacting at thise speeds because after all GL'S move at the speed of light and to move at those speeds you need nanosecond reaction time.
Neither of those guys can punch 2000 times in one second
1.017 nanoseconds (approximately) – time taken for ligth to travel 1 foot.
So any of this guys dodging lasers must have super speed combat in the same sense as the Flash or Superman do.
If just by having nanosecond reaction time counts as someone being capable of having combat super speed then Batman, Hulk and GL have combat superspees in the same way Flash does.
If this wishful thinking rule of having nanosecond reaction time is = to 2000 punches in a second, then Superman can also travel between dimensions, because He has matched and Inverted the vibrational pattern of a ghost planet from another universe that was merging with earth, therefore if He can match the vibrational pattern and even invert it it means He can also travel between dimensions and universes even though it has never been shown he can do that in modern history.
I have never seen SS punching something the same way Flash, Superman, Quicksilver or even Thor can do (Yes Thor can punch the same way Flash can, but not as fast, because he has moved his limbs that fast in the past) Until I see the SS performing that feat, he has combat speed, BUT NOT in the same sense as Flash or Superman do, otherwise it becomes wishful thinking and if wishful thinking is the rule, then Superman can travel between dimensions.
Originally posted by biensalsa
OK time is short and not enough time to answer everythingI just have to say, this thing with the silver surfer nanosecond reaction = flashe's 2000 punches in a second is just completelly out of context
I have seen several time in which characters with out super speed had reacted at those speeds and it does not mean they can punch 2000 times in a second
Nobody is saying that, we're saying he won't get blitzed because he can react in under a nanosecond and go nova or raise a force-field for instance - because that's what he does, he activates his powers through will and blasts people, he doesn't brawl. Nobody believes SS could possibly defeat SM in a h2h fight at superspeed, but the SS has reaction time and coordination to use his powers at lightspeed.
I have seen Batman dodging lasers which is = to a nanosecond reaction time
I have seen Hulk dodging laser wich is = to a nanosecond reaction time
I have seen GL reacting at thise speeds because after all GL'S move at the speed of light and to move at those speeds you need nanosecond reaction time.Neither of those guys can punch 2000 times in one second
1.017 nanoseconds (approximately) – time taken for ligth to travel 1 foot.
So any of this guys dodging lasers must have super speed combat in the same sense as the Flash or Superman do.If just by having nanosecond reaction time counts as someone being capable of having combat super speed then Batman, Hulk and GL have combat superspees in the same way Flash does.
That's aim dodging/writer's ignorace obviously. Both SS and SM have been clocked reacting to situations and doing things before a nanosecond came to pass between them realizing what was happening and taking action. As omega vision pointed out, SS can navigate and stop cold where he wants to get while moving at lightspeed. That shows he can react in speeds compatible with his travel.
Again, everyone acknowledges that he doesn't have or never showed lightspeed h2h agility. We're saying combat speed cannot be reduced to or equated with h2h speed, because people can fight without resorting to that. A TP like omega kid has a kind of combat superspeed because he could form thoughts at a much faster rate than regular humans and he attacks with his thoughts, but he never showed physical superspeed.If this wishful thinking rule of having nanosecond reaction time is = to 2000 punches in a second, then Superman can also travel between dimensions, because He has matched and Inverted the vibrational pattern of a ghost planet from another universe that was merging with earth, therefore if He can match the vibrational pattern and even invert it it means He can also travel between dimensions and universes even though it has never been shown he can do that in modern history.
I have never seen SS punching something the same way Flash, Superman, Quicksilver or even Thor can do (Yes Thor can punch the same way Flash can, but not as fast, because he has moved his limbs that fast in the past) Until I see the SS performing that feat, he has combat speed, BUT NOT in the same sense as Flash or Superman do, otherwise it becomes wishful thinking and if wishful thinking is the rule, then Superman can travel between dimensions. [/B]
when SS fought the agent of oblivion he stated on panel while fighting and dodging blast that agent of oblivion's light speed blast are slow compared to SS. SS was circling the guy while dodging blast well above ftl iird correctly it was 3x speed of light by narration while circling the guy in a small circumference while blasting the guy back..
Originally posted by biensalsa😐 There is a difference between dodging stuff knowing where the lasers and bullets and coming from and outright having nano-speed reaction.
OK time is short and not enough time to answer everythingI just have to say, this thing with the silver surfer nanosecond reaction = flashe's 2000 punches in a second is just completelly out of context
I have seen Batman dodging lasers which is = to a nanosecond reaction time
I have seen Hulk dodging laser wich is = to a nanosecond reaction time
I have seen GL reacting at thise speeds because after all GL'S move at the speed of light and to move at those speeds you need nanosecond reaction time.
I just have to say, this thing with the silver surfer nanosecond reaction = flashe's 2000 punches in a second is just completelly out of contextThat was the context
Originally posted by 753
Nobody is saying that, we're saying he won't get blitzed because he can react in under a nanosecond and go nova or raise a force-field for instance - because that's what he does, he activates his powers through will and blasts people, he doesn't brawl. Nobody believes SS could possibly defeat SM in a h2h fight at superspeed, but the SS has reaction time and coordination to use his powers at lightspeed.That's aim dodging/writer's ignorace obviously. Both SS and SM have been clocked reacting to situations and doing things before a nanosecond came to pass between them realizing what was happening and taking action. As omega vision pointed out, SS can navigate and stop cold where he wants to get while moving at lightspeed. That shows he can react in speeds compatible with his travel.
Again, everyone acknowledges that he doesn't have or never showed lightspeed h2h agility. We're saying combat speed cannot be reduced to or equated with h2h speed, because people can fight without resorting to that. A TP like omega kid has a kind of combat superspeed because he could form thoughts at a much faster rate than regular humans and he attacks with his thoughts, but he never showed physical superspeed.
SS has been tagged by people moving at fast speeds and He has not used any defenses
"SS can navigate and stop cold where he wants to get while moving at lightspeed. That shows he can react in speeds compatible with his travel."
Agreed, but this is like a pilot reacting in a jet fighter, He has higher reaction than a regular human but He is not supersonic. A pilot can react at speeds compatible with his travel as well and We are not Supersonic
Since SS has been tagged by people moving at fast speeds, there is nothing that suggest that SS will be able to react at Superman's attack.
His light pilot reflexes won't work vs Superman, Flash or Thor.
Originally posted by kgkg
😐 There is a difference between dodging stuff knowing where the lasers and bullets and coming from and outright having nano-speed reaction.That was the context
At least We agree that SS cannot punch 2000 times in a second
and I don't see what is the difference it will still be nanosecond reaction time.
You can see where the laser is shotting but by the time you realize it, it is already too late
Originally posted by biensalsa
SS has been tagged by people moving at fast speeds and He has not used any defenses"SS can navigate and stop cold where he wants to get while moving at lightspeed. That shows he can react in speeds compatible with his travel."
Agreed, but this is like a pilot reacting in a jet fighter, He has higher reaction than a regular human but He is not supersonic. A pilot can react at speeds compatible with his travel as well and We are not Supersonic
Since SS has been tagged by people moving at fast speeds, there is nothing that suggest that SS will be able to react at Superman's attack.
His light pilot reflexes won't work vs Superman, Flash or Thor.
Originally posted by King Castle
so i guess this all applies across the board with supes, flash and whatnot.. u know getting smacked around by a human lvl reaction brick..
Yes I agree.
I actually think that SS getting smacked by bricks is stupid, but I also believe some of high end feats are also stupid. and that is for everyone
including Superman and mind reading with Azarello
