Originally posted by Starscream M
its part of him, but it is still an unconnected part that can and has separated...controlling one's own body still allows for more manuervability than being on a board, if only due to certain motions that are less easily applied if one's feet have to be on the board
Originally posted by Starscream M
its part of him, but it is still an unconnected part that can and has separated...controlling one's own body still allows for more manuervability than being on a board, if only due to certain motions that are less easily applied if one's feet have to be on the board
Originally posted by darthgoober
Which instance of Supes's are you refering to(so I know what to look for)?
Superman vs Darkseid apokolips now 2003
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/speed/90degrees.jpg
Originally posted by biensalsa
Superman vs Darkseid apokolips now 2003http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/speed/90degrees.jpg
And I definately don't see how that instace shows superior mobility to the instance of Surfer circling at lightspeed.
Originally posted by Starscream M
you're entitled to your opinion
Originally posted by darthgooberwell, I think it depends on where they're fighting. if its in space, than superman can't really exploit his mobility at all.
And you, yours. But if you're going to make the claim that Supes is outright more manuverable you should have something from a comic that supports it. Personally, in a game of tag between the two my money would be on the Surfer any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
but imagine a structure with small openings in it, superman can outmaneuver surfer in such an arena
Originally posted by darthgoober
Um, I honestly don't see any 90 degree turns there. I mean there are several that are extremely close, but I don't think any of them are quite there(still impressive though, and I don't really doubt that Supes could make a 90 degree turn).And I definately don't see how that instace shows superior mobility to the instance of Surfer circling at lightspeed.
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/speed/90degrees2.jpg
Worth mentioning the space is SMALLER than a block, more like HOUSE size
Originally posted by biensalsaYour confusing pre-dodging bullets and lasers for nanospeed reaction. Have you ever seen nanospeed ever mentioned when street levelers pull these stuns? Surfer can move and react at light speed.
At least We agree that SS cannot punch 2000 times in a secondand I don't see what is the difference it will still be nanosecond reaction time.
You can see where the laser is shotting but by the time you realize it, it is already too late
You do know what nano speed reaction is.... I'm not sure why your debating this it stated that surfer can react at those speed..What is there to debate?
If a street lever stated to move at those speed than fine show me where it says that… you’re using wrong analogies
Originally posted by Starscream MA structure with small openings? Look to this Surfer feat in enclosed spaces with tight corridors and corners that ABSOLUTELY require light-speed perception, reaction, movement AND reflexes:
well, I think it depends on where they're fighting. if its in space, than superman can't really exploit his mobility at all.but imagine a structure with small openings in it, superman can outmaneuver surfer in such an arena
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Surfer has FTL reflexes and combat speed. It's undeniable.
[b]6) Within a nanoseconds. Nascar drivers can react to cars that are roughly going the same speed as they are. They can also anticipate how they're going to behave. It's a very different situation when things are coming at you from all angles at similar speeds. Silver Surfer flying around, avoiding these light speed lasers coming at him from all sides, blasting through walls and tracking this light speed signal ALL in the space of nanoseconds is not analagous to Nascar driving:
Originally posted by Starscream M
well, I think it depends on where they're fighting. if its in space, than superman can't really exploit his mobility at all.but imagine a structure with small openings in it, superman can outmaneuver surfer in such an arena
Originally posted by kgkg
Your confusing pre-dodging bullets and lasers for nanospeed reaction. Have you ever seen nanospeed ever mentioned when street levelers pull these stuns? Surfer can move and react at light speed.You do know what nano speed reaction is.... I'm not sure why your debating this it stated that surfer can react at those speed..What is there to debate?
If a street lever stated to move at those speed than fine show me where it says that… you’re using wrong analogies
Look it has been stated on panel that Surfer THINKS in microseconds which is faster than us.
If Superman or Thor or Flash move at FTL he can be tagged, as simple as that. Even if he can react in a nanosecond He can be tagged
That showing of "nanosecond reaction time" it still does not convinces me
but I will give the benefit of the doubt to it
There are instances in which HIS nanosecond reflexes have been slower than Thanos, So We can just leave it at that.
Originally posted by biensalsa
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/speed/90degrees2.jpgWorth mentioning the space is SMALLER than a block, more like HOUSE size
Originally posted by biensalsaI'm not arguing that. Superman can tag Surfer sure. That's not what this is about.
Look it has been stated on panel that Surfer THINKS in microseconds which is faster than us.If Superman or Thor or Flash move at FTL he can be tagged, as simple as that. Even if he can react in a nanosecond He can be tagged
That showing of "nanosecond reaction time" it still does not convinces me
but I will give the benefit of the doubt to it
There are instances in which HIS nanosecond reflexes have been slower than Thanos, So We can just leave it at that.That proves nothing.
Superman gets hit by slow bulky character as well.... Getting tag does not mean you have slow reaction speed. both Superman and Surfer have very good combat speed is all I'm saying.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
A structure with small openings? Look to this Surfer feat in enclosed spaces with tight corridors and corners that ABSOLUTELY require light-speed perception, reaction, movement AND reflexes: Surfer has FTL reflexes and combat speed. It's undeniable.
yes but not in the same sense as superman or flash who can do the same thing as SS + SEVERAL PUNCHES.
Combat speed and maneourability edge goes to Superman
if you don't belive me watch the scan of Superman outmanouvering and outracing omega beams in a REALLY SMALL space and atmosphere and performing PERFECT 90 degree angles
Originally posted by kgkg
I'm not arguing that. Superman can tag Surfer sure. That's not what this is about.That proves nothing.
Superman gets hit by slow bulky character as well.... Getting tag does not mean you have slow reaction speed. both Superman and Surfer have very good combat speed is all I'm saying.
We agree, SS has combat speed then. but not compared to what Flash or Superman can deliver.
I know Sman has been tag before, The whole argument came because someone said SS cannot get hit because he also has combat speed and superman won't be able to land a punch
Originally posted by biensalsaExcuse me but you do see where Silver Surfer is dodging and weaving while blasting walls at the same time as getting diced to pieces.
yes but not in the same sense as superman or flash who can do the same thing as SS + SEVERAL PUNCHES.Combat speed and maneourability edge goes to Superman
if you don't belive me watch the scan of Superman outmanouvering and outracing omega beams in a REALLY SMALL space and atmosphere and performing PERFECT 90 degree angles
Combat speed and maneuverability goes to Superman? Show me Superman following a light speed signal through tight corridors and corners while punching/blasting through walls at the same time he's getting sliced to pieces.
WTF do you think was just shown with respect to the electronic signal (going at light speed) where Silver Surfer is not only dodging and weaving through laser defenses but getting sliced by them and still keeping up by maneuvering and blasting through obstacles?
Show me a single feat by Superman that surpasses this. That would involve Superman following a light speed signal, which weaves around tight corners, and Superman getting sliced up, and involves Superman punching/blasting his way through obstacles at the same time.
Originally posted by biensalsa
SS has been tagged by people moving at fast speeds and He has not used any defenses"SS can navigate and stop cold where he wants to get while moving at lightspeed. That shows he can react in speeds compatible with his travel."
Agreed, but this is like a pilot reacting in a jet fighter, He has higher reaction than a regular human but He is not supersonic. A pilot can react at speeds compatible with his travel as well and We are not Supersonic
Since SS has been tagged by people moving at fast speeds, there is nothing that suggest that SS will be able to react at Superman's attack.
His light pilot reflexes won't work vs Superman, Flash or Thor.
So has SM. They would both be able to tag each other. They have similar reaction times and SM wouldnt be able to blitz him. If he gets on his face and starts laying a barrage of blows, SS can go nova, raise force fields, phase, teleport, move away, etc.
It's not the same as pilots in jet fighters, because they don't stop cold, they initiate landing procedures minutes before landing and they dont move at lightspeed either. Furthermore, SS doesn't pilot a jet, he pretty much is the jet. The board reacts to his thoughts instantly and seen as he can navigate and maneuver in tight corners at lightspeed, that means he's got the reaction times to match his motion speed.
Sigh.. 'Since SM has been tagged by people moving at fast speeds (and often by people moving at human speeds) there is nothing to suggest he will be able to react to SS's attacks.' You're the one with the double standards. They can tag each other and can defend against each others attacks, much like fighters in the same reaction speed class can. Your obsession with h2h is what I dont get, so what that SM has better speed punching feats? The SS can react, move and blast at least at lightspeed.
